Christian Persecution!

Obviously not, Saph. What a melee. As a person who regularly throws himself into pits like this, even I'm appalled. The total lack of respect for one's opponents is staggering.

Attacking an idea is fair game, as long as you give reasons as to why you're opposed to it, and valid arguments. You're not supposed to throw # at the people behind the idea. Claims of ignorance help no one. Illuminate or get off the pot.

DE

I think they are saying this bull# because they can't push their religious agenda on kids in school anymore. They have a persecution complex.
I think that no religious symbols should be displayed in school other than learning about their history in class. You've got plenty of time to go to your fricking church, mosque or whatever that we don't need to push this crap in school.

Anywhere you go there will be persecution against the minarity living there whether it's racist, sexist, or religiously. It's sad but it'll always happen.

Simply because certain people feel they deserve it. I'm Christian. I used to harp on my freinds about not being Christian, I'll be honest, but I stopped because I knew it was annoying. So I haven't bothered anyone about religion in 4 years yet all my atheist friends always try to prove me wrong. And I don't even bring up the subject!

Well,
If you believe that bible thumping, evangelizing,
is the calling of real, true christians...
You have willfully chosen that path...
so don't whine about being persecuted,

everyone is susceptable to being squashed
by anyone else....thats' not persecution thats' just
nature
if you hold your christianity up as a target & get hit,
doesn't your faith say you'll be rewarded for
your conviction of spirit???

....so whats your legitimate complaint,
a true christian would welcome any 'persecution'
as a test of Faith,
and await their 'reward' in heaven


Talk about inviting struggle,
the Hasidic Jews & the Amish, are very visual targets,
they generally go about their lives in dignity as seen by the world outside of their religious world.


enjoy your journey...

Rather stan stoning each other , we should all get stoned!

NOBODY including christians should be persecuted because of there beliefs.

The only exception to this should be those that cause REAL harm with there beliefs and by that I mean like human sacrfice or child abuse etc not just because they offend someone else.

Originally posted by PEACEMONGER
Rather stan stoning each other , we should all get stoned!

That could be interesting however, for some bizarre reason i just can't picture The Queen The Pope and Black Adder getting stoned together

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix

Originally posted by RANT

Yes, yes...the war on RICH, WHITE, MALES is in full force. Please send donations to the Save Pat Robertson foundation.

So all the Christians are rich whites males ? Interesting point of view. Where did you find it ? Where you found your avatar I guess....

Hardly all Christians are rich, white males. But the ones that continuously cry PERSECUTION (and other invented atrocities) tend to be. I'm not bashing all Christians at all, but the NEO-POLITICAL CONTINGENT (of which Robertson was my example) that cries 'wolf' FOR politcal gain, not fairness... deserves exposure.

If Robertson, speaks for YOU. Fine. Feel offended. If not, as a Christian you might want to look into some of the ridiculous accusations being made on your behalf.

A good place to see continuous free advertising for the often overlooked RICH, WHITE MALE perspective (sarcasm) is FOX NEWS where David Limbaugh (Ru$h's brother) can be found pitching his latest effort:
Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity...
On a near daily basis through Christmas!!!

I am contending this FAUX "WAR" has less to do with any percieved PERSECUTION than flaming controversy and outrage for REPUBLICAN votes. (PERIOD)

Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix

Originally posted by RANT

Yes, yes...the war on RICH, WHITE, MALES is in full force. Please send donations to the Save Pat Robertson foundation.

So all the Christians are rich whites males ? Interesting point of view. Where did you find it ? Where you found your avatar I guess....

Hardly all Christians are rich, white males. But the ones that continuously cry PERSECUTION (and other invented atrocities) tend to be. I'm not bashing all Christians at all, but the NEO-POLITICAL CONTINGENT (of which Robertson was my example) that cries 'wolf' FOR politcal gain, not fairness... deserves exposure.

If Robertson, speaks for YOU. Fine. Feel offended. If not, as a Christian you might want to look into some of the ridiculous accusations being made on your behalf.

A good place to see continuous free advertising for the often overlooked RICH, WHITE MALE perspective (sarcasm) is FOX NEWS where David Limbaugh (Ru$h's brother) can be found pitching his latest effort:
Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity...
On a near daily basis through Christmas!!!

I am contending this FAUX "WAR" has less to do with any percieved PERSECUTION than flaming controversy and outrage for REPUBLICAN votes. (PERIOD)

RANT err, you don't like whiteys do ya heh sorry im in a strange mood tonite If im wrong don't worry about it. It's just that i keep seeing RICH WHITE MALE in caps

Strange moods welcome.

No problems with 'whitey'. Just find it ridiculous when the same ones that cry about the persecution of the Christian majority, are the same ones crying about reverse discrimination against the white majority, or males, or whatever.

The poster children tend to be rich, white males...and far from persecuted. OR if that's persecuted, SIGN ME UP!

Originally posted by Amuk
NOBODY including christians should be persecuted because of there beliefs.

The only exception to this should be those that cause REAL harm with there beliefs and by that I mean like human sacrfice or child abuse etc not just because they offend someone else.

In a perfect world, yes.


The truth is, most all religions have faced persecution and intolerance. Some groups just seem to be more inclined to attack the beliefs of others.

Christianity is not alone in this by any stretch of the imagination, but seem to get the most publicity behind the Jewish community.

We need a religions mud pit.

Peace,
BG

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Interesting point of view. Where did you find it ? Where you found your avatar I guess....

Do you like this avatar better?

Originally posted by PEACEMONGER
Rather than stoning each other , we should all get stoned!

That's what I was thinking too.

Originally posted by Amuk
NOBODY including christians should be persecuted because of there beliefs.

The only exception to this should be those that cause REAL harm with there beliefs and by that I mean like human sacrfice or child abuse etc not just because they offend someone else.

You mean like when religious people burned people at the stake just for studying "forbidden" subjects, or being different? They were horrible people, who committed various horrible executions in the name of their god. Today, no one is executed, luckily, but their persecution continues. They have their own groups in society. They treat everyone else as outsiders. Nothing has changed, besides the fact that the law doesn't allow religious executions anymore.

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by Amuk
NOBODY including christians should be persecuted because of there beliefs.

The only exception to this should be those that cause REAL harm with there beliefs and by that I mean like human sacrfice or child abuse etc not just because they offend someone else.

You mean like when religious people burned people at the stake just for studying "forbidden" subjects, or being different? They were horrible people, who committed various horrible executions in the name of their god. Today, no one is executed, luckily, but their persecution continues. They have their own groups in society. They treat everyone else as outsiders. Nothing has changed, besides the fact that the law doesn't allow religious executions anymore.

ah no worries mate, pretty soon it will include everyone, that way it will be fair punishment for all err im referring to the biblical version of the end of the world of course

Originally posted by Sapphire

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by Amuk
NOBODY including christians should be persecuted because of there beliefs.

The only exception to this should be those that cause REAL harm with there beliefs and by that I mean like human sacrfice or child abuse etc not just because they offend someone else.

You mean like when religious people burned people at the stake just for studying "forbidden" subjects, or being different? They were horrible people, who committed various horrible executions in the name of their god. Today, no one is executed, luckily, but their persecution continues. They have their own groups in society. They treat everyone else as outsiders. Nothing has changed, besides the fact that the law doesn't allow religious executions anymore.

ah no worries mate, pretty soon it will include everyone, that way it will be fair punishment for all

err im referring to the biblical version of the end of the world of course

Ack! I only got 2 points for this post!!!

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by Amuk
NOBODY including christians should be persecuted because of there beliefs.

The only exception to this should be those that cause REAL harm with there beliefs and by that I mean like human sacrfice or child abuse etc not just because they offend someone else.

You mean like when religious people burned people at the stake just for studying "forbidden" subjects, or being different? They were horrible people, who committed various horrible executions in the name of their god. Today, no one is executed, luckily, but their persecution continues. They have their own groups in society. They treat everyone else as outsiders. Nothing has changed, besides the fact that the law doesn't allow religious executions anymore.

So just because a group of Christians acted that way a few centuries ago I can't display a nativity scene on my front lawn? Why does someone who peacefully practices his or her religion deserve to be persecuted? Its considered free speech to burn the flag but let me put a baby Jesus in my front lawn and thats a no-no. Christians are being punished for being the majority just as any other majority is the US is today. We are on a slide toward socialism because everything has to be fair.

This is just the same as the slave issue. Since 150 years ago some white people had slaves all people of white color are considered to be oppressors. If we all stay in the past then we will never grow as a world. It just sucks to be a majority.

Originally posted by BlackJackal
So just because a group of Christians acted that way a few centuries ago I can't display a nativity scene on my front lawn?

Two points here: the "group of Christians" is still behaving that way today. We regularly find synagoges painted with swastikas for the holidays... and that's not done by Jews. And vandalism on Muslim mosques.

And you can display a nativity on your own lawn. Here in Dallas there are thousands, and there are hundreds of fences where the owner felt that the world was in need of drive-by Bible verses. They pay the fees to maintain it as a sign and nobody cares.

Why does someone who peacefully practices his or her religion deserve to be persecuted?

That's what the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Wiccans have been asking the Christians for centuries. We're still asking them this. If I was to put up a "Merry Yule" sign and the God and Goddess on my lawn, I would risk having arson fires.

If we all stay in the past then we will never grow as a world. It just sucks to be a majority.

I'm sure it must. Meanwhile, those of us who aren't the majority would dearly love to have the same rights to practice our religion in peace.

Originally posted by Byrd
Two points here: the "group of Christians" is still behaving that way today. We regularly find synagoges painted with swastikas for the holidays... and that's not done by Jews. And vandalism on Muslim mosques.

And you can display a nativity on your own lawn. Here in Dallas there are thousands, and there are hundreds of fences where the owner felt that the world was in need of drive-by Bible verses. They pay the fees to maintain it as a sign and nobody cares.

Two answers:

I have never condemed someone else for their religion. Any person that vandalizes, harms, or otherwise disturbs someone based on their religion can not claim to be a true Christian. Christianity is not a religion based off of hate you just have a few wackos who think that they are doing the work of God, does the Ku Klux Klan come to mind? Anyways why should every christian be put into a stereotypical mold since some idiots decide to commit vile actions?

In my town no I cannot place a nativity scene in the front yard nor can I use any other Christian religous symbol because it may offend someone. This is the reason I am all up in arms about all this because it has struck home.

That's what the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Wiccans have been asking the Christians for centuries. We're still asking them this. If I was to put up a "Merry Yule" sign and the God and Goddess on my lawn, I would risk having arson fires.

Any real Christian would not set your yard, house or "Merry Yule" on fire. The real persecution should be levied on the idiots who think they are helping someone by commiting these acts of total disrespect for their fellow mankind.

I'm sure it must. Meanwhile, those of us who aren't the majority would dearly love to have the same rights to practice our religion in peace.

I as a Christian wish that you and everyone else who practices a different religion the freedom to practice as you wish without fear of persecution. However, trying to right one injustice with another is backwards.

You mean like when religious people burned people at the stake just for studying "forbidden" subjects, or being different? They were horrible people, who committed various horrible executions in the name of their god. Today, no one is executed, luckily, but their persecution continues. They have their own groups in society. They treat everyone else as outsiders. Nothing has changed, besides the fact that the law doesn't allow religious executions anymore.

Yes and if that is still going on it should be stopped and the idiots doing it punished, BUT what was done in the past CANNOT be changed we can only grow up and move on. I myself could not care less if you worship God Budda Alliah The Earth Mother the Devil or Fred freaking Flintstone. If you persecute Christians how in heck can you claim to be better than they are? Its stupid, who gives a crap what invisiable man you worship?

I don't.

And last I heard EVERYONE was at least susposed to have freedom of religion here. I get tired of listioning to ALL of them, to me religion is just a crutch for those too weak to stand on there own two feet, BUT if it helps you make it through the day who am I to knock it.

If you expect others to respect your superstition you should respect his if you dont then you shouldnt whine when he disrespects yours.