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Problems with the Eurofighter?

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posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 02:42 AM
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The manufacturers have also had to address claims the jet underperformed in trials, particularly with regard to dogfight manoeuvrability.


Is this true?, is the eurofighter obsolete in dogfighting.


Critics say the jets are no longer relevant to today's defence needs, but Defence Minister Lord Bach says they will be a real asset to the country.


Safety alert over eurofighter:

Safety problems with the RAF'S new £43million Eurofighter put it at risk of a disastrous and irrecoverable loss of control in flight, according to a classified Ministry of Defence report leaked to the Standard. The report, produced three weeks ago, says the problems are so serious that the aircraft should not fly in cloud or perform "dynamic manoeuvres" such as those required in aerial combat unless it carries a second, fully-trained safety pilot. The document says there is an "unquantifiable risk" that computer problems could cause a "catastrophic" failure of the aircraft in flight. The verdict is another serious blow to the troubled Eurofighter programme - already beset by massive delays, cost overruns and political controversy. It comes in the official "release to service recommendations" report produced for the Eurofighter on 30 April by Qinetiq, the evaluation arm of the Ministry of Defence. Qinetiq pilots spent eight months testing the aircraft in order to reach their verdict. They say Eurofighter can be released to RAF service, but only subject to severe restrictions and only once the safety issues they have exposed are investigated. "I would not be happy if the aircraft entered service without the failures having been investigated and understood," said one MoD source. "How would you like to be on your final approach [to landing], with a low cloudbase, perhaps at night, and then find that your instruments have failed?" It is understood, however, that the Assistant Chief of the Air Staff, Air Vice Marshal David Walker, approved the Eurofighter's release to service on 13 May, two weeks after receiving the report. In the report, Qinetiq says it has found three "key issues" on the Eurofighter which it considers to be "extremely significant with regard to aircraft safety" and "unacceptable for release to service". Like many of the latest generation of combat aircraft, Eurofighter is inherently unstable and relies on sophisticated flight-control computers to keep it in the air. However, the report finds that one key system - designed to alert the pilot when the aircraft is going too slowly - is inadequate. The result, says the report, is an "unacceptable" risk of "departure" - a complete and irrevocable-loss of control which would destroy the aircraft. Eurofighter is supposed to be equipped with a much-delayed system to prevent this, but until it is ready, Qinetiq says, each aircraft must be operated by two qualified pilots whenever flying "dynamic manoeuvres" such as those used in combat. The report also says that the pilot's flight-information displays "frequently fail during flight" with the risk that the pilot "loses all flight reference data". These failures "could deny the pilot information at a critical stage of flight". They should have a fail-safe back-up but do not. The report recommends that when flying in "instrument meteorological conditions" - cloud - the Eurofighter should carry a second fully qualified pilot as a substitute fail-safe. Qinetiq adds that "corruption" of the aircraft's flight-control computer system means it could suddenly switch from " inflight" mode to "ground" mode while in the air. This, says the report, "would be immediately catastrophic", almost certainly meaning the pilot would lose control and crash. The test pilots add: "This fault cannot be mitigated. It is therefore recommended as essential that the cause(s) of this fault are investigated, understood, and, if necessary, rectified before release to service." The Standard repeatedly asked the Ministry of Defence what action had been taken to investigate, understand and rectify the fault, but received no specific reply. The MoD did, however, issue a statement saying: "Advice from Qinetiq identified areas requiring further work in order to minimise the risk to safe flying operations. As a result of this report the Eurofighter Typhoon was modified, procedures reviewed and limitations applied." RAF sources said some of the recommendations raised by Qinetiq had been accepted. Others, such as the limitation on flying in cloud, had not because they were not regarded as serious. Sources at the MoD and the aircraft's manufacturer, BAE Systems, said the risk with the landing-gear computer was "infinitesimal" enough to be acceptable and had not caused any limitations on the aircraft. When it finally enters full service, Eurofighter will become the cornerstone of the RAF's fleet. But the safety problems identified by Qinetiq risk further serious hold-ups in what is already one of the MoD's most delayed projects, running four and a half years late and £2.3billion above its original cost.


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posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 04:34 AM
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Ummmm....dude, I dont kow about the eurofighter, but I can tell you now that your nazi flag in your signature and the avatar of adolf hitler is going to gain you negative attention. I dont know if such things are against T&C, but you will definately recive a fair amount of harassment from this site if not a bannage. just a friendly heads up.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 04:39 AM
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Thanks for the headsup, but Hilter was a great leader that loved his people, he even gave them a car that even the poorest can afford the all famous VW.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by Natzi
Thanks for the headsup, but Hilter was a great leader that loved his people, he even gave them a car that even the poorest can afford the all famous VW.


Im not passing judgment. I am just saying there are people will make a big stink about your avatar and will whine and cry to have you banned.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 04:51 AM
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Ok, sure, if it is offensive to someone, contact a MOD and I will take it down.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 06:43 AM
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Could you please provide a link to the external material you've posted in the original thread?

I've checked into it but only found other discussion boards which talked about it.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 06:56 AM
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Natzi, take that image down

Masqua, you aren't worthy of being a mod!

You complain about the guy who suggested bullying a scientist in the area 51 forum, but you don't have a problem with a f*cking Swastika and a fascist salute?

Mondo, you responded with more restraint than I would deem justified. I certainly wouldn't address any nazi sympathiser as sir.


*Edit to respond to Mundo, I don't want to give any more points to Mr Fascist up there.



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[edit on 3-3-2007 by asala]



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:08 AM
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Natzi,

Albeit that Adolf Hitler was a very intelligent manipulator of people who ruled by extreme tyranny...yes he was a great leader if you consider those things.

However, due to the unbelievably horrific atrocity that happened to the Jewish peoples, I will refrain from responding to your thread at all out of respect for the peoples that your supposed icon killed.

On top of that, Hitler was too much of a coward to kill people himself so he had others do it, maybe because he could not deal with his own lineage!?

Anyway, I assure you that many members will not respond at all or will feel similar to my above mentioned expressions. I wish I could respond, but this is blatant lack of decency for other members and their feelings.

Good luck to you, but I have a feeling that you will be changing your avatar at the least, and probably resigning up with a different username.

Remember, Hitler may have been intelligent..but the Nazi regime is a scar that Germany hates to have on its face!!!

I wish you well sir, take care, Peace...Mondo



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:09 AM
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Here's the link. Do the MOD's have a problem with my avatar and sig.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:09 AM
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Did someone declare a world wide ban of historical pictures? If so the i suggest that all other pictures of ex-world leaders should be taken down...

And the swastika isn't banned either, it's just shows poor judgement and portraits the poster as a wannabe Nazi, but that's his personal problem. Some people do get offended of stars and stripes, should it be banned too?

Ps. I'm not a facist, i just hate hippocrates who ban symbols instead of concetrating on the issue.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by Mondogiwa
Natzi,

Albeit that Adolf Hitler was a very intelligent manipulator of people who ruled by extreme tyranny...yes he was a great leader if you consider those things.

However, due to the unbelievably horrific atrocity that happened to the Jewish peoples, I will refrain from responding to your thread at all out of respect for the peoples that your supposed icon killed.

On top of that, Hitler was too much of a coward to kill people himself so he had others do it, maybe because he could not deal with his own lineage!?

Anyway, I assure you that many members will not respond at all or will feel similar to my above mentioned expressions. I wish I could respond, but this is blatant lack of decency for other members and their feelings.

Good luck to you, but I have a feeling that you will be changing your avatar at the least, and probably resigning up with a different username.

Remember, Hitler may have been intelligent..but the Nazi regime is a scar that Germany hates to have on its face!!!

I wish you well sir, take care, Peace...Mondo


Mondo, people in Germany love him, If somebody with power told you that, that person was evil you would believe it. Go dig up some info on his real life and come to your own conclusion, I have. He is a good role model.
I believe I can post anything that does not harm anybody example:porn , have any rudeness or explicit language.
What would you do if I put George Bush for my avatar, let me guess you would not have a problem. But he is a real Tyrant

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posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by Natzi

Mondo, people in Germany love him, If somebody with power told you that, that person was evil you would believe it. Go dig up some info on his real life and come to your own conclusion, I have. He is a good role model.


First of all, are you German and do you or have you been to Germany...be honest!
Second, how can you make this claim that people in Germany love him?
Third, I have a degree in history, and I know of Hitler in grave detail.
Fourth, if he is a role model, it is a sad state of affairs we are in.

Sir, I believe you are confusing what the term role model is!! A role model stand and leads by example, therefore exhibiting qualties that are desirable by the vast majority......do you really think the world would be a better place with people that look up to Hitler everywhere???

We look up to intelligent people, which Hitler was I agree. But, he was a disturbed ( I suugest you dig up his real life as well) man, with serious mental instabilities.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:25 AM
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Natzi
Ever been in germany? Because 99.999% of the people hate him there and for a very good reason, he was an murderous, mentaly ill maniac. But his pictures should not be banned, let them warn the generations to come...


Ps.Mondogiwa, damn you read my mind on that post




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posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:27 AM
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and....I like the idea behind your thread, very interesting info and thanks!!!

You just have to have some respect for other members and what they or their families have been through with Hitler...nothing persona; but please!!

Peace, Mondo



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:29 AM
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Ok, you see now?

Thats the problem, "oh people in Germany love him"

Most normal, sane people do not love him, I know several Germans who beat seven shades out of you for saying that.

Natzi doesn't acknowledge that the evil POS in the picture was responsible for the deaths of over 6 million innocent people.

Instead he talks of how great hitler was for giving the world the VW Beetle.

He's a nazi sympathiser and anyone who doesn't take offence needs their head seeing too.




Ps. I'm not a facist, i just hate hippocrates who ban symbols instead of concetrating on the issue.


I'm not a hipocrite. What the motto of ATS again? Oh thats right deny ignorance, not embrace it.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:33 AM
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To whomever erased the avatar and signature of that member..thank you!

It was out of respect for others that I asked, not to opress the member!

Again, look forward to good and informative posts and thread from Natzi,the visuals were just not needed, thank you



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:34 AM
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Problems with the Eurofighter?


Please keep the responses on-topic.


Thank you.


... and we now return to, "Problems with the Eurofighter?".


 



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:38 AM
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I seem to remember a video on youtube and flightlevel350 that showed the Eurofighter having a airshow near-miss with the ground, I mean a few feet from it. In fact it was grounded immediately following that maneuver. I think that was pilot error however, but now that the article was posted, maybe that pilot had some flight info incorrect!!??

Great aircraft, seems problems with the F22 are arising as well!

Peace, Mondo



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:40 AM
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Thank you all for the input on Hitler. Yes I have been to Germany and my family is from Germany. I believe everybody has a right to say what they think, but it might offend some people. I have taken down the pics out of respect to my fellow ATS members.



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:56 AM
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Wow I thought 18 replies and so this thread may have gotten somewhere!!
NOT..

Its funny how people tend to look at avaatars rather than topic material..
This isn't the Introductions Forum!!
anyways on with it..


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