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Comparsion of assault rifles

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posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 09:13 PM
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I started this so we could debate what is the best overall assualt rifle. Here are a few

Steyr Stg.77 AUG assault rifle (Austria)


Caliber: 5.56mm NATO (.223rem)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 805 mm (with standard 508 mm barrel)
Barrel length: 508 mm (also 350 mm SMG, 407 mm Carbine or 621 mm LMG heavy barrel)
Weight: 3.8 kg unloaded (with standard 508 mm barrel)
Magazines: 30 or 42 rounds box magazines
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute
Effective range of fire: 450-500 meters with standard assault rifle barrel

FN FNC assault rifle (Belgium)


Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: standard model 997 mm (776 mm with folded butt); "Para" model 911 mm / 680 mm
Barrel length: 449 mm (363 mm "Para" model)
Weight with empty magazine: 4.06 kg (3.81 kg "Para" model)
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds (accept all STANAG-compatible magazines)
Rate of fire: about 700 rounds per minute
Effective range: 450 meters

Valmet Rk. 62 / 76 / 95 (Finnland)


Caliber: 7.62x39 mm or 5.56x45mm NATO (export versions only)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 914 mm
Barrel length: 420 mm
Weigth: 4.3 kg without magazine (3.5 kg Rk.76 with stamped receiver)
Magazine capacity: 30 rds

Heckler-Koch HK G36 assault rifle (Germany)


G36 G36K G36C
Caliber 5.56x45mm (.223 Rem)
Length (buttstock open / folded) 998 / 758 mm 860 / 615 mm 720 / 500 mm
Barrel length 480 mm 320 mm 228 mm
Weight empty 3.6 kg (3.3 kg G36E) 3.3 kg (3.0 kg G36KE) 2.8 kg
Magazine capacity 30 rounds standard
Rate of fire 750 rounds per minute

Enfield SA-80: L85A1 and L85A2 assault rifle (Great Britain)


Caliber: 5.56 NATO (.223rem)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 780 mm (709 mm in Carbine variant)
Barrel length: 518 mm (442 mm in Carbine variant)
Weight: 4.13 kg (with SUSAT optical sight and no magazine); 5 kg with SUSAT and loaded with magazine with 30 rounds of ammunition
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 650 rounds per minute
Effective range: about 500 meters (with SUSAT sights)

GIAT FAMAS assault rifle (France)


FAMAS F1 FAMAS G2
Caliber 5.56mm NATO (.223rem)
Action Delayed blowback
Overall length 757 mm
Barrel length 488 mm
Weight 3.61 kg with empty magazine 3.8 kg with empty magazine
Magazine capacity 25 rounds (proprietary) 30 rounds (STANAG)
Muzzle velocity 960 m/s 925 m/s
Rate of fire 900-1000 rounds per minute 1000-1100 rounds per minute
Effective range 300 meters 450 meters

Kalashnikov AK-74, AKS-74 and AK-74M assault rifles (USSR / Russia)


Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Weight: 3,3 kg (with empty magazine without bayonet); 3,6 kg (with loaded magazine)
Length: 943 mm (AKS-74 with folded butt - 690 mm)
Barrel length: 415 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds standard
Effective range: 500 meters
Rate of fire: 600 - 650 rounds per minute

SIG SG-550 SG-551 SG-552 Stgw.90 (Switzerland)


SIG 550 / Stgw.90 SIG 551 SIG 552
Caliber 5.56x45mm (.223 Rem) 5.56x45mm (.223 Rem) 5.56x45mm (.223 Rem)
Length (stock open / folded) 998 / 772 mm 833 / 607 mm 730 / 504 mm
Barrel length 528 mm 363 mm 226 mm
Weight empty 4.05 kg w/o magazine 3.3 kg w/o magazine ca. 3.0 kg w/o magazine
Magazine capacity 20 or 30 rounds 20 or 30 rounds 20 or 30 rounds
Rate of fire 700 rounds/min 700 rounds/min 780 rounds/min

Armalite / Colt AR-15 / M16 assault rifle (USA)


M16A1 M16A2
Caliber 5.56x45mm (.223 Remington), M193 5.56x45mm NATO / M855
Action gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length 986 mm 1006 mm
Barrel length 508 mm 508 mm
Weight, empty / loaded w. 30 rounds 2.89 kg / 3.6 kg 3.77 kg / 4.47 kg
Magazine capacity 20 or 30 rounds standard
Rate of fire, cyclic 650 - 750 rounds per minute 800 rounds per minute
Muzzle velocity 945 m/s 975 m/s
Maximum effective range 460 meters 550 meters

M14 (USA)


Caliber: 7.62x51 mm NATO (.308 Winchester)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Length: 1120 mm
Barrel Length: 559 mm
Weight loaded: 5,1 kg (6.6 kg M14A1)
Magazine: 20 rounds, detachable box
Rate of fire: 700 -750 rounds per minute

XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle (USA)


Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 838 mm in basic configuration, butt extended
Barrel length: 318 mm in basic configuration; also 229 mm in Compact and 508 mm in Sharpshooter and SAW versions
Weight: 2.659 kg empty in basic configuration
Rate of fire: ~ 750 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds (STANAG) or 100-rounds double drum in Automatic Rifle/SAW role

Ok so which one is better? If I missed any important ones just post it. Which one is best?



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by jetsetter




Valmet Rk. 62 / 76 / 95 (Finnland)


Caliber: 7.62x39 mm or 5.56x45mm NATO (export versions only)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 914 mm
Barrel length: 420 mm
Weigth: 4.3 kg without magazine (3.5 kg Rk.76 with stamped receiver)
Magazine capacity: 30 rds

I'm gonna get to know that gun pretty well during the next six month. Only about 20 days left 'til I start army



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 09:28 PM
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change the ak-74 to Nikonov AN-94 "Abakan" assault rifle? and add the israeli Tavor assault rifle



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 09:49 PM
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Not 6 moths..

Youll be doing 362..

Its the only real way..



Or more!



Also Jetsetter,

Nice looking work there..

Just lose the xtra N on Finland..



And also,

You put XM8 to there..

Then you also must put AN-94 and 7,62 RK 95 and Tavor family..

Otherwise, this is biased!




posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 09:57 PM
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AN-94 and 7,62 RK 95 and Tavor

Nikonov AN-94 "Abakan" assault rifle (Russia)


Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
Barrel length: 405 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 and 600 rounds per minute variable (see description below for explanation)
Maximum effective range: 700 meters

IMI Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle (Israel)


Caliber: 5.56mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 720 mm
Barrel length: 460 mm
Weight: 2.8 kg empty, 3.63 kg with loaded 30 rounds magazine & sling
Magazine capacity: 20 or 30 rounds standard
Rate of fire: 750 - 900 rounds per minute

"Groza" OC-14 (Russia)


Caliber, mm: 9x39 SP-6, 7.62x39 M43
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Length, mm: overall: 700 barrel: 415
Sighting range,m: 700
Weigth, g: 3,200 (base config., unloaded)
Magazine, 20rds (9mm), 30rds AK-47 type (7.62mm)
Rate of fire, rds/min: 750



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 10:01 PM
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Not sure about 7,62 RK 95. I do not know what it is. Please post.

I got all of my info and pics from: www.world.guns.ru...



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 10:02 PM
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So, what do you guys think of the M-14. I like it. I believe that it is still used by the Navy SEALS.



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by jetsetter
So, what do you guys think of the M-14. I like it. I believe that it is still used by the Navy SEALS.


I thought they used the M4 because of its smaller frame and the fact its compatible with accessories designed for the M16/AR15 series of weapons?



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 10:23 PM
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Actually they use that also. They still make the M-14 and I believe that they use them because of there large caliber(7.62mm)



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 10:32 PM
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Development of the 90 series of weapons came as a result of the Finnish military desiring an even tougher weapon. Model 62 milled receiver and Model 76 sheet metal receiver guns were in service with the Finnish military at this time. The SAKO 90 series replaces both the 62 and 76 series. The SAKO 90 series returns to the the milled receiver gun.

We received several rather humorous e-mails regarding the toughness. All Valmet weapons are as tough as nails. Comparing a Valmet to an original Soviet AKM will show you the gun is much higher quality and tougher than anyone can imagine needing.

Specifications

7.62 RK 95 TP
(The official FDF model designation)
(7.62 x 39 mm Assault rifle, model 1995, folding stock)
Caliber: 7.62 x 39 mm (5.56 x 45 mm export model also available)
Length: 935 mm
675 mm (stock folded to the right).
Magazine: Boxmagazine 30 cartridges, polymer construction.
(previous caliber 7.62 x 39 mm steel magazines fit).
Weight:: 4.5 kg with loaded 30 cartridge magazine.
System: Gas operated, rotating bolt.
Gas vent has a turnable off/on valve for special applications.
Cyclic rate: 11 cartridges per second.
Barrel: 420 mm, four rifles 1 turn per 240 mm (has fixing point for bayonet).
Muzzlebrake facilitates use of rifle grenades.
Sight: Diopter type 150m/300m settings, flip-up self illuminating open sights for dusk.
Sight radius 465 mm.
Fixing point for optical andor optronic sight on left side of receiver.
Standard accessories:
Leather sling
Six magazines
Sight adjustment tool
Gun cleaning kit
First ser.# 960 001 (Placed in the collections of the Military Museum, Helsinki)
Made by: SAKO OY, PO Box 149, FIN-11101 RIIHIM�KI, FINLAND
Phone INT+358-14-7431 Fax INT+358-14-720-446
Other info: A sporting semi-automatic only M95 rifle (called the M92S) with fixed stock has been produced and marketed.














My 2 cents..

Best Assault rifle around that uses AK mechanism..

And i think that this counts for something..

Even Israeli Galil is copy (made by licence..) of the older variant of this weapon..




posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 10:39 PM
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Very impressive. Also, I believe that the Navy SEALs use the M-14 as a sniper rifle. I still think it is one of the best assault rifles in the world.



posted on Dec, 21 2003 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by jetsetter
Very impressive. Also, I believe that the Navy SEALs use the M-14 as a sniper rifle. I still think it is one of the best assault rifles in the world.


Its good as semi automatic long range rifle, as is SVD Dragunov also.. neither of these is 'sniper rifle'..



But as for use as a Assault Rifle, these dont just have it..

They cant do accurate Burts fire..

And only SVU-A Bullpup version of the SVD capable to automatic fire.. (burst..)

They use much too powerful ammo to be effective as assault weapons.




posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 01:48 PM
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Steyr Stg.77 AUG assault rifle (Austria)
It looks nice but it's an old model, today it has a reputation of a good weapon, but there are better ones out there. Considered the first bullpup design, this is wrong of course. Also, it is said that it's bullpup design puts it ahead from the others, which also in pure bull#.

FN FNC assault rifle (Belgium)
We know FN for it's quality, this is a great weapon, though FN is releasing their new line of compact, modular weapons.

Valmet Rk. 62 / 76 / 95 (Finnland)
Not widely used, but continuous use of it in nordic countries confirms its quality.

Heckler-Koch HK G36 assault rifle (Germany)
HK weapons are purely perfect. I think this one is the best of the given.

Enfield SA-80: L85A1 and L85A2 assault rifle (Great Britain)
L85A1 shouldn't be here. It is nothing compared with the rest.
L85A2 is a fine weapon, but it's predecessor left a "scar" on this one.
And it's cool look means nothing...

GIAT FAMAS assault rifle (France)
G2 is a fine and reliable weapon, and a good example of how bullpup should be done.

Kalashnikov AK-74, AKS-74 and AK-74M assault rifles (USSR / Russia)
Should be soon replaced. Still reliable (most reliable of those) and accurate.

SIG SG-550 SG-551 SG-552 Stgw.90 (Switzerland)
Fine, swiss work. But seems it is less reliable than the rest.

Armalite / Colt AR-15 / M16 assault rifle (USA)
A great, reliable (but less reliable than the AKMs), extremely accurate. But will be replaced with M8...

M14 (USA)
A great weapon. Not used widely today, still it's accuracy and reliability are legendary.

XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle (USA)
We will see what this is... based on G36, it must be good. But the looks...

Nikonov AN-94 "Abakan" assault rifle (Russia)
I read about bad economics. The 2-round burst sounds very interesting. A new model, still to evolve, and very promising.

IMI Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle (Israel)
There has already Tavor2 been released. Looks fine, and must be better than Galil!

"Groza" OC-14 (Russia)
A class of itself. A great weapon, but not for wide usage.
SP-6 bullets
love these



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by FULCRUM
We received several rather humorous e-mails regarding the toughness. All Valmet weapons are as tough as nails. Comparing a Valmet to an original Soviet AKM will show you the gun is much higher quality and tougher than anyone can imagine needing.


I don't know how true this is but here's an interesting fact I found at a website (it's in Finnish so here's translation):

The weapon [RK-95] is extremely realiable. It can be buried in sand, frozen to -40 celcius or even heated to very hot temperatures and it will still work.
practical.hypermart.net...



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 10:49 PM
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These things fall in to the class 'dont do with any weapon that isnt a AK type..'

Better yet: 'dont do with any weapon that isnt of the AK type and build in Finland!'



*Edit*

These weapons work in -40 c without any problems..
(Ive actually [been forced] fired these weapons in -35/37c.. and it worked just like in the summer.. but i didnt..
)

Other weapons will shatter to pieces is fired in temperatures this low..

Or more usually they just wont work, the 'moving parts' wont move. As the cold has srunken the metal in non controlled matter..



[Edited on 22-12-2003 by FULCRUM]



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 11:13 PM
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I prefer the "Stoner" weapons system. No it is not a fully automatic bong.

Stoner weapons system



posted on Dec, 26 2003 @ 08:05 AM
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i've fired the SA80A2 alot, and it really shouldn't be up here next to other rifles. It has a tendancy to jam whilst firing 5 round bursts, and when fighting in FIBUA conditions, where full magazine bursts are required, it fails badly. The bayonet, when attached to the barrel becomes so hot the you cannot remove it (but apart from that, its a pretty good knife)
In cold conditions, the rifle "sticks" so bad, people often have to use a hammer to free working parts. In the sand, the rifle is about as effective as a pea shooter because it jams so much (who saw the pictures of british sqaudies with black plastic bags around thier weapons?
)
The only redeming features i can think of are the SUSAT sight (3x magnification) and the fact that it is very accurate. Apart from these, i wonder why the british army still bothers to us it.

[Edited on 26-12-2003 by czakky]



posted on Dec, 26 2003 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by groingrinder
I prefer the "Stoner" weapons system. No it is not a fully automatic bong.

Stoner weapons system




Do you have any info that does anybody actually use these weapons..?

I know that these were used/tested in Nam..

But thats the last ive heard of them..

Maybe you have some more updated info?




posted on Dec, 26 2003 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by FULCRUM
Do you have any info that does anybody actually use these weapons..?

I know that these were used/tested in Nam..

But thats the last ive heard of them..

Maybe you have some more updated info?



"Stoner production ceased altogether by the end of 1971. Total production for U.S. and foreign users would probably in the 3,500 to 4,000 unit range."

Stoner


[Edited on 26-12-2003 by Shoktek]



posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 07:23 PM
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AK's are grand, they don't jam with sand




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