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The US's pricey fighting flops
By Daniel Smith
"You go to war with the army you have," former US secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld famously noted. "They might not be the army you want or have at a later time." Echoing Rumsfeld, President George W Bush said in his 2007 State of the Union address: "This is not the fight we entered in Iraq, but it is the fight we are in."
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Originally posted by waynos
The point, at the time, was purely about the fact that the F-22 would bring nothing to the fight in Iraq, due to its design role, whereas the F-16 was perfectly suited.
Originally posted by Darkpr0
...(unless the F-22 has external loads as well, which I've yet to see)...
Originally posted by WestPoint23
You mean like this? There is nothing limiting an F-22 from carrying a JDAM on the wing, just upload the software and plug in the pylon.
Just because it's not specialised for ground attacks now doesn't mean it cannot be good tactical bomber in future (with external stealthy underwing bomb bays for example).
Originally posted by Darkpr0
Anyway, I'm just wondering what you mean by stealthy underwing bomb bays. I've heard of the Raptor having the option for external pylons which what very recently proven, but I don't know about underwing bomb bays. I might just be stupid, that wouldn't really be surprising. Is this some sort of new development that the USAF is going after, or is it just a concept you've considered interesting? I will admit that the thought of an elongated Raptor with bomb bays bulging out just a little bit under the wings for more space does appeal to me.
Originally posted by Ghost01
I hate to say it, but the article is right in may ways. The F-22 is a truely amazing fighter, and a masterpiece of US Science and Technology. However, for all of it's "Bells and Whistles", the F-22 has one basic problem that Lockheed and the Air Force can't really overcome: It's OBSOLETE!
Folks remeber, the Raptor is the product of the US Air Force's Advanced Tactical Fighter Program. ATF was origionally concieve in 1982 to take on a new generation of Migs in air to air combat. It was born of the Cold War, which has been over for almost 18 years now. The world has changed dramatically in the last 18 years. Back when the ATF started, SAC still had bombers and missiles on 24 hour Nuclear Alerts, and EC-135 Command Posts obited over the country ready to command the military if we were attacked.
The Raptor was custome design to fill a mission that no longer exists! Taking on terrorists and insurgents, is a completely different mission from staring down another Superpower!
As a plane, the F-22 is cool, it does things no other plane can. It's problem it the world has moved on. People don't fight wars that way anymore!
Originally posted by FredT
Ghost I have to disagree regarding the F-22 being obsolete.
The aircraft has shown a ability to function as a mini AWACS of sorts from its usual 60000 feet godlike perch over the battlefield. In adittion to directing other none stealthy fighters and deconflicitng them add in its potential electronic attack capacities, long range etc and its the perfect force multiplier for future conflicts.
If you used a two way data link to control a fwe UCAV's for say SEAD then its even more awesum