Unfounded globalization fears

While nothing should be allowed to impede intergalictic booty exploration(lol),I don't see how we can lose our competitive spirit.Questions spawn ansewers and ansewers only spawn more questions.How can bringing billions together not inspire new ideas.I'll agree the cash needed to bring everyone to even footing will leave wholes in places,but the rich will still be trying to get richer so I don't envision any good ideas having funding problems.

IM going to throw a C-Bomb again. Many of the pro globalization sites and arguments completely ignore the class function of globalization. They assume a common goal with the middle and lower classes and even go as far as to suggest that corporations will help the environment, raise wages(at least to a livable level), and provide gender and social equality to the rabble.

What a load of BS.

When have multinational corporations ever shown an interest in uplifting the people? Or protecting the environment?

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
When have multinational corporations ever shown an interest in uplifting the people? Or protecting the environment?

I'm no fan of the insanely rich,but can you honestly say Bill Gates hasn't affected anyones lives with the billions he's given to charity.My own highschool was given a computer lab and 1 computer for every classroom.I understand how to use computers today because of a charitable gift from one of the biggest companies in the world.If their plan is keep the rest of down,I'd say they're not going about very well.As for the environment,thats another issue as big as globalization.Is it the car companys fault we continue to buy gas guzllers?I don't think so.Don't belive everything is the govs or the corporations fault.We set the conditions for them to fleece us and I won't accept any we're brainwashed or manipulated bs,we could get off our butts and doing something about it,but we a comfortable to just sit back and complain.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
I'm no fan of the insanely rich,but can you honestly say Bill Gates hasn't affected anyones lives with the billions he's given to charity.My own highschool was given a computer lab and 1 computer for every classroom.

And who built those computer parts and at what wages and under what conditions? What about the damage to the environment caused by the solvents used to clean the boards after soldering? do you think they were disposed of properly? Or the damage caused by the use and disposal of the lead/tin mixture? Qui Bono?
You think Billy did that out of the goodness of his heart? Or do you think that maybe he saw the PR possibilities and the tax breaks he would get from doing charitable work.

But you have a point, not all corporations are completely evil and do some good. But I am of the opinion that the good they do does not outwiegh the bad.

I understand how to use computers today because of a charitable gift from one of the biggest companies in the world.If their plan is keep the rest of down,I'd say they're not going about very well.

They do a piss poor job of it in democratic countries where the people have some memory of the bad times (1890) and will fight back with stikes and grass roots movements. But where those PCs were manufactured, there is little chance for charitable work.

As for the environment,thats another issue as big as globalization.Is it the car companys fault we continue to buy gas guzllers?

I agree we are doing as much damage as they are, especially in the automotive section. But let me tell you, supply goes a long way in creating demand. People arent out on the streets demanding cars that burn more and more fossil fuels, they're out there demanding clean energy and sustainable living. The people arent the ones buying up and burrying clean energy patents, its the corporations doing it in the name of profit levels over life.

I don't think so.Don't belive everything is the govs or the corporations fault.We set the conditions for them to fleece us and I won't accept any we're brainwashed or manipulated bs,we could get off our butts and doing something about it,but we a comfortable to just sit back and complain.

Again we are in agreement, we chose complacency, and they found a way to market it. thats why i attempt to do my part and illustrate the stacked deck and the class war.

Good ansewers InSpiteOf.You hit the nail on the head.Our own complacency is creating the conditions for the nwo as we know it.All I've been trying to get across on this thread is that globalization doesn't have to be the nwo.We know whats wrong with the system but are unwilling to make things right.If we wanted to crash the system,all we would have to do is stay home and not work.I'd love to see the looks on the elites faces when we refuse to run their corporations.Of coarse things like how do I eat without working for money are obviously concerns,but its a better way of going about it than WW3.Either way,to fix whats wrong many lives will be lost.My hope is after its happend we can make a unfied world government to make sure it doesn't happen again.As long as we are seperated these problems can only continue,united we can fix it.

[edit on 6-3-2007 by FreeSpeaker]

Who has a global business, who was going global in the past few years.

I think Microsoft and all if French and Arabic versions is causing all this
talk. And the only ones making a profit. The other promoters have Microsoft
stock.

Arabic terror web site are winning the psychological web was and getting
recruits.

One man quit a government job just to bring these sites down.

In that sense I didn't like Microsoft's globalization.

Unless Globalization some sort of illuminati thing, but Clinton promoted it.

I thought he was for the common man and reducing our debt.

And how much debt did clinton reduce? Just because a politician says hes for the little guy doesnt make it so.

reagan never tired of talking about his poor heritage, his fathers local drug store and the likes. but he did nothing for the common person.

globalization has nothing to do with secret societies and everything to do with the capital accumulation process. The name of the game is who skims the cream.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
globalization has nothing to do with secret societies and everything to do with the capital accumulation process. The name of the game is who skims the cream.

I agree with your view on the capital accumulation process,but im not so sure that secret groups aren't pulling the strings.I don't belive they are completely in control of the process but groups like the Bilderberger's have to be involved in some way.Any opinions?

I believe i used the word "secret societies" and i did so for a reason. I do not believe that groups like the illuminati, masons, majestic 12, or whatever else pull the strings. I believe its the heads of multinationals and the politicians they use that pull the strings (many of them attend, or are friends of those that do attend, the bilderburg confrences)

Thats not to say they dont make shady or underhanded deals in secret, i just simply dont believe the mythology of these ancient societies controlling everything for the goal of an NWO.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
I believe i used the word "secret societies" and i did so for a reason. I do not believe that groups like the illuminati, masons, majestic 12, or whatever else pull the strings. I believe its the heads of multinationals and the politicians they use that pull the strings (many of them attend, or are friends of those that do attend, the bilderburg confrences)

Thats not to say they dont make shady or underhanded deals in secret, i just simply dont believe the mythology of these ancient societies controlling everything for the goal of an NWO.

I agree,the secret societies you listed have to much recognition thanks to things like ATS to be pulling the strings.Even if a small group could manipulate all 6 billion people on this planet,how could they possibly stay on top of every uprising that is sure to happen if such a thing as the nwo(in the negative form) occurs?Any takers?

In my somewhat educated opinion, if you trace the roots of the NWO back you will find the Rockefellers at the heart of its creation. Several powerful families in the world (Rockefeller, Warberg, Schiff, Rothschild, Morgan, etc.) were petrified at the destruction the atomic bomb unleashed on Japan, and got together to prevent an all out war of that magnitude from ever happening. Their “New World Order” grew out of think tanks they created to bring the world together.

“Free trade” is an outgrowth of their movement, and its subsequent transfer of industry from the USA to countries all over the world. Their aim is to have every nation depending on every other nation for food, goods and services. This is their theory of GLOBAL INTERDEPENDENCE. Under this, they feel every nation would be less apt to unleash a destructive strike against any other nation since it would totally destroy the flow of something essential to your own nation.

You can put me firmly on the side of those totally opposed to the NWO. The world will be totally united ONLY when Jesus returns, and not be anything man thinks he can pull off.

Originally posted by FlaBama
You can put me firmly on the side of those totally opposed to the NWO. The world will be totally united ONLY when Jesus returns, and not be anything man thinks he can pull off.

So, are you saying that we should just quit trying to make the world a better place, since Jesus will be coming back to fix it? Isn't it always a good idea to try to unite the world no matter what? Forgive me for my apparent short-sightedness here, but I just fail to see the point of this statement. Maybe you could clarify??

For Democracy,
TheBorg

Originally posted by FlaBama

You can put me firmly on the side of those totally opposed to the NWO. The world will be totally united ONLY when Jesus returns, and not be anything man thinks he can pull off.

With respect,I frown on the opinion that mankind cannot solve its own problems and instead must seek a higher spiritual source for survival.A unified world could only eliminate hates and prejediices,and I like to think any peace loving person would support just a goal.The idea of globalization isn't evil just because corrupt elite's use it to fatten their pockets.

Originally posted by seridium
I'd simply want to say that I think all the globalization fear and aprehnsion most people seem to feeling is just a bit unfounded.One should consider that globalization is the natural evolution of human interaction.Everyone seems to have no troubling beleiving that in the future the human race will be living in peace under one government(empire,federation,etc).So why is it that people cannot undrstand such an outcome can only arise with significant turmoil.History is a great teacher,and if history teaches us anything it is that change will always be met by turmoil,war,revolution,etc. I beleive that most globalization fears stem from basic prejudice and a refusal to change. Most people aren't interested in changing,but what about those of us who see the breakdown of common sense in the world and dream for things to change.Should we put our heads in the sand and pretend everything is ok or should we start to push for equailty across the globe.Everyone in the world has things to teach each other reguardless of certain indiviguals rejection of everyone else. Its time for humanity to evolve to the point we all see each other as humans and not specific races.That is the true goal of globalization,to bring humanity together as one entity.Watching our leaders lie and double talk while nothing effective ever happens has gotten entirely out of control.Its time to change!Not just America,Iran, or China, but the whole world for the good of everyone.

Excellent, couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
The idea of globalization isn't evil just because corrupt elite's use it to fatten their pockets.

unless the idea of globalization was expressly created for that purpose.

And to pompano, you have nothing more to add other than the standard "i agree" comment?

Originally posted by pompano
Excellent, couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks pompano.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
unless the idea of globalization was expressly created for that purpose.

I don't think the idea of golablization was created,I thnk it evolved from history and continues to grow.

History basicaly proves globilisation as an eventuality that will happen, it is fact. And any of these vague timelines or estimated theorys concerning the creation of an invisible force in dictating human events doesnt really make much of a difference as man has been doing exactly the same thing for millions of years prior without the aid of any such "order". The other obvious benefit is universal socialism, if your paying attention you should probably be noticing money is becoming more and more obsolete/worthless as time goes on.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
I don't think the idea of golablization was created,I thnk it evolved from history and continues to grow.

This is a party line fed to us by the people in the WTO and IMF.

The leaders behind globalization are a bunch of plutocrats, the only thing on their minds is profit. thats the way its always been. there have never been any good intentions behind globalization. If there have been, please provide links to the evidence of these good intentions in action.

It would be nice for the world to be united, alot of things can be done for the good of humanity, the human race would acive much more if it;s united, but whith no one to hold them acountable I fear that the king of the hill will do as he likes.
Maybe uniting the world is not such a bad idea, but people need to be held acountable for their actions, and that is not happening now in the pre stage of globalisation, the big fish get away with it every time.
Globalisation will not work, not with the curent sistem any way, total power should not be offered, another way should be worked out, if people want to survive in the future they must stick together, miitary power asigned to just a group of people would be very dangeros as there is no one left to hold them acountable since there is only one goverment.
There needs to be a balance, and those that want this know that they don't want balance, they just want control, I don't think this is a good idea at the curent time, maybe when humanity will evolve more maybe we will be ready then, no one wants one state goverment made out of lies and killings.





[edit on 13-3-2007 by pepsi78]

"there have never been any good intentions behind globalization. If there have been, please provide links to the evidence of these good intentions in action"

Open a history book concering any ancient or modern empire and you will find plenty, if it werent for globilization chances are you would not be using a global telecommunications tool such as the internet with which you use to rather ironicaly denounce.

[edit on 13-3-2007 by Starvald]