Riots In Copenhagen After Antiterror Unit Cleared Ungdomshuset

The police uses tear gas and some troublemakers have been arrested. Many cars have been turned upside down and set fire to. The police doesn't seem to have the situation under control yet.


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Danish firefighters in Copenhagen are busy tonight...



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What is happening in Denmark?

Three incidents have occured within the last few days and it is tempting to try connect them.

First an alleged plot to kill one of the Muhammed cartoonists was exposed and 3 arrests made. As a direct result newspapers start reprinting the muhammed cartoons. Lead by the original publishing paper, the morning fascist of Jyllandsposten, they do in a somehow twisted sympathy with the cartoonist, but in fact endagering his life even more, and thereby definately spurring a worldwide muslim rave against infidels and danish ones in particular.

The result of these arrest will be expultion of two Tunesian nationals, without ever having seen a judge or their case presented to a court. In other words, the public may never know the grounds of the actions of the police.

It goes against anything in most legal system of 'free' countries. But it doesn't go against the two-year old Law against terror, allowing police to do arrests, confinements, and keep people in secret custody without getting a court involved. It is the first and only law in Denmark to circumvent the tripartite principle of the legislative power, the executive power, the judicial power, a principle more sacred to most Danes than The Lord's Prayer. In this case the police represent two of the powers. That's how the law is now, and it is in upright serious cotradiction with the Constitution.

As for the third incidents, the riots revived, and as far as I can tell from press reports pretty much getting out of hand, they are not, no matter what press might speculate, connected to the cartoon incident.

However they are related in the sense they have to do with the extrajudicial powers given police.

After last years riots, search zones were implemented in troubled areas of Copenhagen, giving the police the power to search and detain anyone without having to give reason warranting their actions. It's done by decrees. I.e. orders not known to the public, never published, but designed as internal guidelines for authorities and their apparatus. And as far as I'm able to trace back, the riots started in respons to those.

To me it seems justified --not the havoc the young people cause-- but that a reaction is there, against this blatant circumvention of the very basic of Danish society.

You see now the police have the power of issuing the rules, as well as upholding them, and as we've just seen in the case of the alleged cartoonist plot, also act as judge in their own cases. It's just like it was in old days Soviet, as it is in America under the present Military Act.

It's a disgrace to Democracy, as it is to the reputation of the State of Denmark.

Last night's fires was an organized action, according to the police. There were too much trouble in too many places at once. For some reason, they claim the fires have no relation with today's reprinting of "Mohammed cartoons" in at least 18 danish newspapers.

14 cars were destroyed by fire last night. A journalist from Jyllandsposten was knocked down and beaten badly when he tried to take pictures. Some journalists only move with escort of the police, while others stay away. It's apparently too dangerous for journalists to cover this story. Other journalists from DR have previously been attacked, their camera stuff stolen or destroyed. There were also trouble in other parts of Denmark. Kalundborg and Aarhus. Police, firefighters and busses were attacked by groups of people throwing stones at them. 17 were arrested last night.

The description of them doesn't sound like "the autonome". Maybe it was a mix of activists from Ungdomshuset, and some people who are angry about the reprinting of the cartoons? Maybe last night was a part of the Mohammed conspiracy? Or the Ungdomshuset conspiracy? Or both...

My impression from reading the Danish news reports is that they might be, what we PC correct refer to as "second-generation immigrants", but it's against the discrimination law to state such ..unless it's of importance to the subject.

You se any statements of the ethnical origine of the rioters Hellmutt?

I agree with you they have very little or anything to do the Autonome groups.

Right now:

Barricades are being built in the streets. There are fires everywhere. Some suggests calling in the military to clear the city of troublemakers. A school was set on fire with molotov cocktails. Fires everywhere in Aarhus as well. Groups of people block firefighters from doing their jobs.


This school is on fire

Photo: Thomas Borberg


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They describe the people who are blocking firefighters from doing their jobs, as "second-generation immigrants".

This article is in danish. There's a video on that page (danish comments), showing some of tonight's fires from different places in Denmark. The police can no longer protect journalists, so they are on their own. Some say these fires are caused by the cartoon war, while others claim it isn't related to the cartoons. This seems to be escalating, and even more trouble is expected in the coming days. Hizb ut-Tahrir have spread posters urging more violence. Many news articles connect these fires to Ungdomshuset somehow. However, they don't seem sure and the whole situation seems very confusing and complicated. I fear there will be more fires and violence in the coming days in Denmark...

Finnish media is only stating that the rioting has originated from immigrant destricts. Is this correct?

My view is that some, unknown to us, sparked these riots, but one would have to assume that Mohammed cartoon reprints have probably added some fuel to the fire. And it's highly likely that the Anarkists behind the ungdomshuset incident have joined the immigrants for the sake of chaos and "fun"...

Are there any action plans published by the danish government? Are they going to deploy the military as police is cleary over their heads in ***t? (would it even help?)

Ps. YLE says it started from Nörrebro, what kind of a community is it?




[edit on 15-2-2008 by northwolf]

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I don't know what their action plan is, or whether they plan to use the army or not. I guess it depends on how bad the situation eventually gets out of control. I bet they've got some police ready on standby for this weekend. The cartoons were indeed fuel to the fire. Today's danish media is more direct and non-PC, than a couple of days ago. From what I can see now, this is mostly "second generation immigrants", predominantly muslims. They have built up lots of frustration over time. They live in ghettos. They feel discriminated against. Police have "harrassed" them a lot lately by body searching them on the street (for drugs+weapons), etc. They feel that they are only being stopped by police, only because they are not ethnic danish. However, the fact is that there are gangs of "second generation immigrants" in Copenhagen, and they want to control the city. They took over "the market" in Copenhagen after the "Rocker War" (Hells Angels vs. Bandidos), and after the destruction of Christiania (+ Pusher street). There have been many gang war incidents lately. I.e. they have been shooting at each other across the street while innocent people got in between. This recent escalation with fires every night, started a few days before the cartoons were printed. And even before the murder plot against Kurt Westergaard were revealed...


Here's a brief summary:

The police "behaved badly" against a Palestinian cab driver, pushing him so he fell on the street. This might have been the trigger, according to some journalists (but what do they know?)

This caused some gangs to start some trouble, throwing stones and starting some fires. Burning cars. Showing their frustration with everything. It erupted in many places at the same time, like if it was organized.

Then these attacks continued.

Then the murder plot against Kurt Westergaard was revealed

Three were arrested in relation with the murder plot. One Dane was released, and they announced that two Tunesians are going to be deported back to Tunesia, without a trial (because of some terror paragraph)

The murder plot caused the cartoons to be reprinted in many newspapers

Naser Khader and Pia Kjærsgaard suddenly agree on something... That the blasphemy paragraph should be removed. Other politicians agree as well. It's "an ancient paragraph", they say. I agree. Some fundamentalists might not agree. Perfect timing...

And now, they use the cartoons as an escuse to go even more crazy.


Hizb ut-Tahir are having a meeting today. They have already distributed material, urging more violence. It's Friday! Troublemakers are likely coming into town to join "the fun", maybe even from other countries. We saw this happen during the riots last year. This situation has some similarities with "the Ungdomshuset riots", as they seem to want to burn the city down and fight the police. And they attack journalists, firefighters and police. Ungdomshuset activists might be participating in the recent events. Or they might not. Maybe some of them who really wanted to fight the police are participating in this? I don't know. I wonder what would be the result, if the Ungdomshuset activists (autonome) confronted the other gangs, and prevented a major city BBQ this weekend? Play the role as firefighters and saving the city from terror? Would Copenhagen reward them with a new house as compensation for the old one? I doubt they will help the police in any way though, so this is likely a very improbable scenario. They would however, get some goodwill back from the citizens of Copenhagen if they did. I hope this doesn't turn into a civil war The gangs have said that they've "got weapons and dogs, and are not afraid to use them!". I wonder who are playing this game? Who are the players? Who is behind this? Abu Laban is dead. Remember Said Mansour?

I forgot to answer some questions...


Yup


I agree


immigrant destrict. Ungdomshuset was there. Jagtvej 69 is on Nörrebro.

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Remember what Litvinenko said before he died? I'm not saying he's right. He claimed that Flemming Rose was married to the daughter of an FSB general! Maybe FSB is playing in this "Mohammed game" as well?

This is, hmm... frightning, to say the least. It's one of those thing they've always said in Denmark: Can't happen here!

But now it is playing out right under their noses ...country wide.

It can only mean one thing: the total polarisation will be accomplished. There won't be no more middleground; unwards there'll only be ethnic Danes vs Danes of other ethnic origine/immigrants. And who shall win? No doubt in my mind, no one shall, but the toughest ones will prevail, and Danish people has never been very tough. I'm afraid not even Danish military can handle this.

It makes me very sad, because the only winner will be xenophobia. That will be PC from now on. What makes me really sad is that's the very last fragile frame of the picture of the Denmark I grew up in will be gone by the time they´ve cleared the arson lots and struggle back to 'normal'. But I'm afraid that 'normal' from now on will mean fear. 85% fearing the 15%, and at least half of the 85% will turn to fascism for revenge and 'security'. Something like that; the Hall of Freja lost forever.

Nah... I'm just in a dark mood today... but your Flemming Rose speculation, Hellmutt, is interesting. I read something similar about his connections to Russia and the considerable time he had spent there after the Soviet fall. He could be a double agent ..CIA..? ..it's hard to say who is orchestraing this. Russia in response to missile shield, NATO expanding east? Creating a havoc Danish authorities cannot quel, but Spetznaz(sp?) forces would have under control in 48 hours. How far is there from Kaliningrad to Dueodde? ½ an hour by speed boat?

Well, conspiracy speculations! Time shall tell, though it's not on our side anymore.

Nørrebro holds a multicultural population, where majority maybe immigrants indeed but still a lot of Danes live there to since the "feeling" there is that there is a room for all.

On another note i like to point you towards the fact that Jp.dk who originally printed the Mohammed drawings in 2006, has Merete Eldrup working there as a managing director and her husband is Anders Eldrup who has attended several Bilderberg meetings according to these links:

Wikipedia attendance list
Americanfreepress list
Bilderberg.org

Regards

Loke.

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Here's an interactive map, showing where the fires are. It's in danish, but the map needs no explaination. A yellow fire symbol indicates the latest reported fires. There are two maps, one for center of Copenhagen and one showing other cities in Denmark. They say they'll update the map as new fires are reported.


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From a muslim demonstration earlier today in Copenhagen

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According to a lot of the protesting people these "riots" has nothing to do what so ever with Mohammed drawings, its more an action against the Visitationzones and the police´s more aggresively behaviour towards ethnic citizens in these zones.

The "Its the Mohammed drawings" is a stunt from the media to get the ignite more riots and more sales in newspapers.

The whole "riot" thing started according to protesters because of the police being hostile towards a Palestinian man who had parked illegally and was being fined, but the police started commenting racists slanderous and when the man started defending him self vocally he got knocked down and kicked and beaten with a nightstick. He was not badly injured but he did get beating and this is why the most of the ethnic citizens youth started protesting and burning off containers and cars.

Today has been a quite night, even thou media speculated in people from and around Ungdomshuset 69 subculture would go in and support the ethnic protesters, which turned out not to be true.

Regards

Loke.

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The fires continue. Several cars are burning in Copenhagen now. There are fires in other cities as well. Here is a Google map showing some of the reported fires. You can zoom in and out on the map, by using the scroll wheel on the mouse.

Here are two videos showing some of the action. No comments

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[edit on 2008/2/16 by Hellmutt]

Did you believe it's over? It's not. It has been going on every day/night for a week already. At least 10 schools have been set fire to. 8 were arrrested this evening when they tried to set fire to another school with molotov cocktails.