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Cuba Is Stockpiling Biological Weapons!

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posted on Mar, 2 2007 @ 03:10 PM
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Unfortunately, the Bush administration so horribly and terribly mucked up the Iraq WMD issue, that its going to be DECADES before we can properly deal with these kinds of issues. Just like with Vietnam, it wasn't really until after Gulf 1 that we 'got over the vietnam effect', and of course, we've relapsed, becaus of Bush's handling of Iraq.

Heck, you'd almost think that he was PLANNING the debacle as a way to hinder the US in the future, I mean, he's done more to damage the US's ability to successfully act on foreign policy than STALIN, for christ's sake.




posted on Mar, 2 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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i never blamed the US however there are people whose heart doesnt lie in protecting the constitution but some of these people are given a lot of trust so blueprints go missing now......noones scared of cuba burning tar to run us out of our camps so they can steal our livestock.....we used chemical weapons in the civil war we STILL use chemical weapons its just a question of safety....would we rather adhere to geneva law or would we like to sleep easy knowing we have chemical weapons too i never said we were the great satan but if it wasnt for america then there wouldnt be ones that are so sophisticated and btw cubas 90 miles off the florida coast they dont need much to hit us



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Im not at all surprised. The Cold War isnt over. Putin is still moving it forward and the recent additian of Chavez and his buddy buddy relationship Ahmedinejhad is just fanning the flames. China is getting all sorts of attention because of their "marvelous" economy (its easy to make things look the way you want when you control how they operate).

Its not over by a long shot. The geography has changed for the worse and the players are now spread all over the world.

We're losing. Badly. It was their plan all along. The "collapse" was just an act. Now because so many people thought it was over theyre in a better position than ever to take over.

Their biggest fault will be trusting the Muslims. Once the West is dead the Commies wil have to confront with radical Sharia. Itll be like Russia trying to invade Afganistan again but this time all over the world. Not pleasant.



Hahahahahaha.......

The collapse was just a whole big act....Russia's economy never crashed, Yeltsin never disbanded the Supreme Soviet and the Congress of People's Deputies, and Constitution of the Federation of Russia was never adpoted in 1993.

Yes the 'commies' and the 'muslims' are ganging up on America ready to take her down! Dont forget not to take your eyes off those "jap's" just incase the do another dirty attack on ya!



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by wang
Right Winged fear mongering.

There is no logical reason why a country like cuba would even consider having biological weapons...

The coldwar is over, get over it.


Right...and I guess every Cuban who also knows thats part of what happens in Cuba is part of that group.... Following your train of thought I guess every person who thinks this is just propaganda is just a left wing Communist who is living in denial...

Of course the Cuban regime has biological weapons. The Communists are still trying to expand Communism to other countries, or as they call themselves "revolutionaries".

There are many programs in Cuba in which castro and his regime help train guerrilla fighters around the world, help fund and train terrorists since childhood, and participate in programs .

Cuba does have a biological program. Remember that the Communists sworn enemy is just but 90 miles from Cuba. Most Cubans would rather live in the U.S., but the Cuban regime and the thugs that work for castro and which live as kings in the island still see the U.S. not only as their enemy but as a threat.

The Cuban regime would not try anything against the U.S. unless it was through clandestine operations using people from other countries, or unless nations such as Russia, China, Venezuela join with Cuba.

The Cuban regime gets money with the clandestine programs they have with other "revolutionary countries", and biological weapons is one of those clandestine programs.

[edit on 3-3-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
The Communists are still trying to expand Communism to other countries, or as they call themselves "revolutionaries".

So spreading "Communism" is bad - but spreading "Democracy" across the Middle East is good? Still remember those times of Cold War, when installing "Democracy" in countries of South America was good for "World Peace", but usually very bad for the local population of countries like Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, Panama, Salvador?



posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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justanothergangster:
no, you said that hte us invented chem/bio warfare. all i did was to illustrate that that was incorrect on pretty much every level.

but im curious...since the US has been dismanteling its stockpiles of vx and sarin etc for many years...which ones are we still using? WP maybe but thats not a nerve agent by any level of understanding. the us biowarefare programs never been utilized officially.

so i guess i have no idea what it is youre trying to say

im more than happy to debate this issue espeically where it pretains to the OP but just make sure you have youre facts lined up. WMD, their uses and defense of said was my whole life for many years.



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

So spreading "Communism" is bad - but spreading "Democracy" across the Middle East is good? Still remember those times of Cold War, when installing "Democracy" in countries of South America was good for "World Peace", but usually very bad for the local population of countries like Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, Panama, Salvador?


No economic system is perfect, and more so when there are "revolutionaries trying to bring the violent revolution, also known as Communism, to those same countries you mentioned".

The fact still remains that Communism has been the worse economic/political system ever to have existed on Earth.

Estimates put the death toll to more than 110 million people killed by Communist regimes, a much higher toll than that of all other wars fought in the 20th century together, and tha'ts counting the first and second world war. The Death by Communism death toll is not counting the soldiers who died in wars, nor the millions of people who have been put in gulags. The 110 million + people killed by Communist regimes are regular people who were murdered by these regimes.

So yes, Communism is bad news anywhere you go.

Anyways, this thread is about the Communist regime in Cuba having a biological program.

Here are some links about this topic.


Cuba, Castro and Bioterrorism

Agustín Blázquez


There are many academic studies, articles and books in public records exposing Castro's long term involvement with bacteriological and chemical weapons. The information has been presented in public forums. The U.S. media has been invited but they systematically choose to be absent. Perhaps so that by being absent they can claim, "but I didn't know." This information will also clash with the heavily orchestrated campaign to present Castro as non-threatening in order to normalize relations with Cuba. This collaboration of the U.S. media with the Castro regime is reprehensible.

I first learned pertinent details about Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and his bacteriological warfare after attending a discussion on Capitol Hill on October 28, 1997. As usual, the U.S. media did not show up. I also read the October 1997 paper titled "Castro: A Threat to the Security of the United States" by Dr. Manuel Cereijo, a professor at Florida International University who has written over 500 articles published in national and international journals.

The paper details Cuba's work in the fields of bacteriological and chemical warfare "since the mid-eighties." And the "several centers and institutes that do research and development," and that "there are special groups, working on projects to develop chemical, biological and bacteriological warfare."

www.haciendapub.com...


CASTRO, BIO-TERRORIST IN OUR BACKYARD
By Agustin Blazquez and Jaums Sutton



With all the coverage lately in the U.S. media about bacteriological warfare, why have Americans been kept ignorant about Castro's factories of bacteriological and chemical weapons in Cuba? Undoubtedly, there is a deliberate effort by the U.S. media not to report negative information about Cuba.

Among the U.S. media there are many Castro sympathizers. And others are willing to cooperate in order to keep their access to Cuba, their bureaus and star reporters getting personal interviews with Castro. Morally this is dishonest because they are compromising the freedom of information. This selfish and arrogant attitude of the U.S. media has rendered a disservice to the American people by giving them a false sense of harmlessness about Castro's Cuba for decades.

It is extremely frustrating to raise awareness of a problem when people are so misinformed. Invariably the people's reaction is rejection or scorn when confronted with information that contradicts those acquired beliefs, especially if they are maliciously fed. For example, Sue Anne Pressley's September 25, 2001, outrageous article in The Washington Post equating Cuban Americans to terrorists like bin Laden. But you will see below that the result of this misinformation has placed the American people in danger.

www.autentico.org...

[edit on 5-3-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
No economic system is perfect, and more so when there are "revolutionaries trying to bring the violent revolution, also known as Communism, to those same countries you mentioned".

You really believe that those "voilent revolutions" were caused by a few commies agitating the public? Dont you think that the public of those countries might have suffered extreme economic and social injustices, enough to give them cause for popular rebellion?
Of course those revolutions will be violent, the embedded owning class will fight tooth and nail to protect their level of opulance.



The fact still remains that Communism has been the worse economic/political system ever to have existed on Earth.

I would argue that Capitalism is just as deadly, subversive, and destructive as Communism was.



Estimates put the death toll to more than 110 million people killed by Communist regimes

And im sure the sources you have for this number have been looked into and critiqued by unbiased sources? After all lets not forget the charges led by the US against Milosevic for mass graves that never surfaced. And the "rape policy" comment that was traced back to a NATO official.



Anyways, this thread is about the Communist regime in Cuba having a biological program.



your right, and here's my 2 cents: Its poltical pandering. I dont see any realy threat from Cuba. They stand to gain nothing from launching an attack and stand to loose everything from direct military confrontation with the US.

[edit on 5-3-2007 by InSpiteOf]



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
No economic system is perfect, and more so when there are "revolutionaries trying to bring the violent revolution, also known as Communism, to those same countries you mentioned".

So it is better that the people of these countries die violent deaths in certain coup d'etats or get killed by death squads created by the west or get thrown in a civil war, since socialism is something that can not be tolerated in South America or anywhere else on this world? Why are Your bullets any better? You want the list of CIA sponsored interventions in South America and how many regimes they crumbled and how many innocent people died there? But you are a smart guy, you know that already.



The fact still remains that Communism has been the worse economic/political system ever to have existed on Earth.

I would say Imperialism is worse. Or Fascism. And there is a very thin line between Fascism and Capitalism...



Estimates put the death toll to more than 110 million people killed by Communist regimes, a much higher toll than that of all other wars fought in the 20th century together, and tha'ts counting the first and second world war. The Death by Communism death toll is not counting the soldiers who died in wars, nor the millions of people who have been put in gulags. The 110 million + people killed by Communist regimes are regular people who were murdered by these regimes.

I think your numbers are a "bit" too high. Yes you shall quickly find links and sources, but I think they are exaggerated. How many people die each and everyday because they have nothing to eat? How many children have died in this five minutes I have been typing that? Silent deaths that go on in most distant corners of this world are not casualties of Commies, but the result of Capitalism and the result of grabbing as much money you can. And while some countries have nothing, some individuals have as much money, that they can buy these entire countries. Yet our number one commie-hater always finds a great way to put an bad light on anything that is Red and always finds a good word for anything that comes from the West.

Screw the people of Africa who are really doing all the dying. Or the people of Asia, who are doing all the work, so we have computers, clothes and basicly everything that says Made in ASIA - while we gladly ship them thousands and thousands of tons of garbage. Funny you do not mention how Capitalism and Globalization is actually causing more poverty among the PEOPLE of this Planet, which also means more wars and more conflicts. The interests of powerful nations and corporations are shaping the terms of world trade. In democratic countries, they are shaping and affecting the ability of elected leaders to make decisions in the interests of their people. Elsewhere they are promoting narrow political discourse and even supporting dictatorships and the "stability" that it brings for their interests. This is to the detriment of most people in the world, while increasingly fewer people in proportion are prospering. And in order for America to keep the Superpower status, there must be wars - because F-15 and McDonalds work togather. Suddenly CORPORATION is the most powerful entity in this world - not governments, not countries, not political leaders, not presidents. And I belive corporation is a product of capitalism - not communism.


Backing up Globalization with Military Might

For globalism to work, America can’t be afraid to act like the almighty superpower that it is.…The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist—McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.


No political system these days is good for the people.

All governments are corrupt.

Politicians lie.

And People die.

That is how it has always been.

We did not evolve one percent at all for centuries.

We have just improved the technology of killing ourselves.



So yes, Communism is bad news anywhere you go.

Depends where you want to go...




posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 01:08 PM
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How is capitalism like facism?

If anything Id say its more like self-inflicted feudalism.
Self-inflicted in that there is plenty of opportunity to make it.
People do it every day and 80% of current millionaires are 1st gen.

Its sad though how many people who are perfectly capable (barring any mental/physical shortcomings) just throw all their opportunity away either by not taking advantage of free education or by becoming criminals, addicts, baby making machines, etc...



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
How is capitalism like facism?

If anything Id say its more like self-inflicted feudalism.
Self-inflicted in that there is plenty of opportunity to make it.
People do it every day and 80% of current millionaires are 1st gen.


Never mind him, souljah is a self professed "revolutionary" trying to fight agaisnt imperialism, a Communist in desguise, although i am almost certain he has no understanding or experience whatsoever on the Communist doctrine.

Souljah is like always trying to derail threads to present his illusions on Communism, or as he calls, "revolutionary socialism" as many Communist dictators have called Communism before.

Unfortunately we have many new Communists, with new disguised names trying to claim that "the revolution is good for the people"....

But like history has shown us, the truth is that Communism is a facade to establish dictatorial power over the working people.

Anyways, why can't Souljah discuss the articles on "biological programs in Cuba"?...



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
How is capitalism like facism?

The similarities lie within state power and the economic policies of those ideologies. Generally you get a roll back in social programs, regressive taxes, and union bashing. A loss of hard earned democractic rights such as the 8 hour work day, pensions, occupational safety, and child labour laws. With all that you also get massive corporate subsudies, massive military buildups, and an increased role of the state to crush popular rebellion and agitation.



People do it every day and 80% of current millionaires are 1st gen.


Yes but how many of those millionares are the ones calling the shots and sitting on the boards at the WTO and IMF? Id say none. "The Superrich are out of sight."



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Never mind him, souljah is a self professed "revolutionary" trying to fight agaisnt imperialism, a Communist in desguise

I like how you stop attacking th eideal in question and instead attack the person behind it. Very provocative of you.



Anyways, why can't Souljah discuss the articles on "biological programs in Cuba"?...


Your right, he should discuss this topic.
However you seem unwilling to attempt to refute his recent points.



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by InSpiteOf

Your right, he should discuss this topic.
However you seem unwilling to attempt to refute his recent points.


Simply because on every topic he blames the U.S. for everything...

The Russian troops use tactics against the people of Chechnya as they fight terrorism, but also kill and maime civilians, and souljah blames the United States for it. Just as an example.

In every post that shows everything bad other countries do, souljah blames the United States. It hhs always been the same with him, it is his status quo.

[edit on 5-3-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Never mind him, souljah is a self professed "revolutionary" trying to fight agaisnt imperialism, a Communist in desguise, although i am almost certain he has no understanding or experience whatsoever on the Communist doctrine.

Your petty comments about me are kind of against the rules of this forum board if I am not mistaken. And for somebody who is coming from former Socialisti Federative Republic of Yugoslavia, I shall take that as an insult also. But you always love to do that, don't you? Put labels on people? Your favorite hobby I think.



Souljah is like always trying to derail threads to present his illusions on Communism, or as he calls, "revolutionary socialism" as many Communist dictators have called Communism before.

Shall we see the list of WESTERN sponsored dictators and count the people they have slaughtered in order to protect the holy flag of democracy against the evil communists?



Unfortunately we have many new Communists, with new disguised names trying to claim that "the revolution is good for the people"....

Yeah?

We do?

How about the newly "democratized" countries in the Middle East?

What wonderful time for the people of Iraq and Afganistan!

They have come from the hands of ruthless dictators into an age of peace and prosperity! Nothing more to fear! Can walk safely in the streets! YaY! They feel so great, now that their country is Democratic and Free and sold to the western corporations. Yes! Democracy does work! Excellent!



But like history has shown us, the truth is that Communism is a facade to establish dictatorial power over the working people.

If you would actually read words I write, you would have realized that I never said communism is great and fantastic and marvellous - I was just saying that it is actually not so far away from Capitalism and so-called Democracy, where people have an illusion of choice, by voting between two parties, when they actually live in a one party system; kind of like the big red commies, only the commies never lied to anybody about that; somebody else is doing the lying for a long time.



Anyways, why can't Souljah discuss the articles on "biological programs in Cuba"?...

Anyways, why must you always discuss Souljah and ignore the post he wrote? So does chemical weapons stored in Cuba fear you? But thousands of tons of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons in your backyard make you feel safe? How is that working for you?

[edit on 5/3/07 by Souljah]



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 04:00 PM
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Muaddib

I do beleive that Cuba's current biological program is akin to the 45 rpm records in the 50's.

Nothing to worry about. Remember, Castro REMAINS DELUSIONAL, as long as he has a breath in his old decrepit body.



posted on Mar, 5 2007 @ 04:06 PM
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Forgive me for going off topic...

Souljah, i come from a Communist country, and it is more of an insult when that country i came from is Cuba, and I still have family there, and people like yourself want to claim Communism is the same as Capitalism.... When there are millions of people who have died and are still trying, and are still dying as they try to leave Communist countries such as Cuba....

Sorry to tell you this, but people have been leaving and died trying to leave Communist countries meanwhile trying to go to Capitalist countries like the U.S.

If you want to talk about the deaths of revolutionaries by the hands of the U.S. why do you want to ignore the fact that those same revolutionaries murder, torture and supress their own people?.....

Even the people of Iraq have had to fight the supposed" freedom fighters, or revolutionaries" as some around here want to claim the terrorists are...

Why is it that people like yourself don't talk about the parts of Iraq where there is no fighting and there is relative peace?... Parts of Iraq where more iraqis live...such as the north and southern parts of Iraq.

There are also some "coalition forces in those places" yet people are not being murdered, or tortured....

The places where the "murders and torture" of Iraqis happen are where the "revolutionaries, or freedom fighters" are stationed.

What about FARC in Colombia?..... Is that another of your examples of "freedom fighters fighting for the people against imperialism"?...

The FARC doesn't have the funding of Communist countries like it used to, so now they are kidnapping, torturing and killing Colombians as well as any tourist they can lay their hands on...

BTW, i don't put labels on people... you have called yourself before a "revolutionary, or freedom fighter fighting against imperialism"...or haven't you?...

[edit on 5-3-2007 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 04:41 AM
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We better stick to the topic Dude.

This debate of ours is not going anywhere, if you did not notice.

SO,

I have one question, because you are so worried about Cuban Biological Weapons Program - how many times did Cuba use Biological Weapons?

And how many times did USA?

Do these headlines ring a bell?

USA Admits Possible Link between Biological Weapons and Agent Green

Agent Orange

African Swine Fever used on Cuba

The USA attempts to infect Cuba with bacteria in 1980

Sarin Nerve Gas Used in Laos

More Cases of USA using Chemical, Biological and Nuclear Weapons

So as we can see, Cuba was attacked at least twice with Biological agents, yet you ask yourself, why are they stockpiling their own Biological arsenal? Do you really think they would want it, if nobody would threaten them? If your neighbour has a gun, and had used it against you, shot your windows, shot your car, shot your mailbox - what would you do?

And let us not even start with Chemical & Biological weapons used in Iraq, since we all know Napalm, White Phosphorous, Cluster Bombs and other banned munitions were used there - yet nobody has a problem with that. And if you go really back in time, you would see, that United States is the ONLY country, that has used chemical, biological AND Nuclea weapons on Human population. What does that tell you?

[edit on 6/3/07 by Souljah]



posted on Mar, 6 2007 @ 07:27 AM
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I dont think counting the uses would prove anything.

How about, the US has used them a bunch so were in no hurry to use them again while Cuba may not have used them as much so theyre about do for a mustard gas ride.

None of the threads here go anywhere. At least not that Ive seen.

Its just a bunch of back and forth with links, and "facts", and testimony and theories on all sides until the threads have made a clear black/white division and they bicker until nobody cares anymore and the thread falls into obscurity.

Its an exercise in futility.

But Im sure there are those posters who hang on long enough until theyre the only who cares and the subsequently the last man standing and they walk away with this feeling of hollow triumph having gotten the last word in.

Sometimes this is just so frustrating.

But hey, Im in front of this idiot box all day at work so bicker on people, bicker on. At least until I find something better to do.



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