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Maryland boy, 12, dies after bacteria from tooth spread to his brain

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posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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I've got cavities that are going to give me sleepless nights now thanx alot man.

I've heard it could go to your heart, now your brain just freaken great.

I'm dead...crap




posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 11:37 AM
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My first thought when reading this is that it is squarely the parents fault. They obviously did not have enough money to properly support that child...I can never understand why families that can barely support themselves decide to have children. Maybe that sounds cold, but it's the truth.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 11:50 AM
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I love all the blaming the victim here, real cute.

An 11yo kid is dead because his family couldn't afford an $80 procedure, a failed attempt to treat the ensuing infection cost the taxpayers $250,000, and the usual ethically-challenged rightwingers are fretting over how "socialized medicine" (OMG communism!!) might make their takes go up half a percent.

Here's an article that may have some relevance: The Rich See What They Believe


Research has shown that people become emotionally distressed when confronted with inequality. The privileged minority is particularly affected, and they are likely to have a nagging worry that their cash and prizes are undeserved.

To keep a clean conscience and legitimize privilege, individuals often alter their perceptions of the status quo.

The details of how that mental distortion provides the relief, however, remained a mystery until now.


[edit on 3/1/07 by xmotex]



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 11:59 AM
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I didn't blame the victim....to me, the child is the victim. It's his parents fault...I don't consider them a victim because it is their own fault they could not afford health care for their child. Who else would you blame besides the parents?



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:04 PM
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The only modern industrialized country without a national healthcare system?

The beknighted folks that keep it that way?

Naaahhhh....



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:04 PM
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Even without medicaid this woman could've taken her kid to the dentist to have the tooth removed.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:09 PM
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I'm surprised that alot of you guys are so upset to hear this? I mean as bad as it sounds and don't get me wrong it's just beyond me how a parent could allow this to happen to their child? But today we have kids molested every day and the likes of such? This is terrible but it doesn't surprise me?



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:13 PM
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Even without medicaid this woman could've taken her kid to the dentist to have the tooth removed.


Yeah? You would have given her the $80 she didn't have, personally?

What a nice guy



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Even without medicaid this woman could've taken her kid to the dentist to have the tooth removed.


Only if the dentist is willing to see the child. It took me TWO YEARS after my filling fell out to find a dentist office willing to schedule me an appointment. You cannot force a dentist or any other doctor to treat you.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:45 PM
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I had an abcessed tooth and didn't take all of my antibiotics and it spread or should I say migrated south and i ended up with an inflamed and very swollen testicle. OUCH!!! My boss at the time found me in the storage room of the restaurant I was chef at curled up in the fetal position whimpering. A shot of mega antibiotics got rid of it but now if i am given any I take em all.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:51 PM
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Brushing does NOT insure that your teeth will not decay. As a kid I brushed religiously, but continually got cavities, had them filled and lost the fillings because my teeth were 'soft' and crumbly....these were my dentists words.....not just mine.

Even a trip to the dentist for a cleaning was fraught with the risk of getting a filling jerked out, or getting too much of the outer layer of tooth enamel ground away.....even tho I drank milk every day!

I've even had root canal work that abscessed a day or so later, resulting in swelling and would have become blood poisoning had I not gotten immediate attention. ( also the dentist's words)

When my daughter was young, one of her baby teeth rotted from the INSIDE! We discovered this when it became wiggly and we had the dentist look at it. This even with fluoride in the water and regular brushing.

When she needed one of her permanent teeth filled, the dentist insisted she needed to see a specialist and have a root canal, with a crown......now your talking over $1000!! Dentist do not like to JUST pull a kid's tooth.....getting out with only owing $80? A fantasy.

So go ahead and blame the parents.....it IS the easiest solution.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 01:08 PM
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Abscessed teeth are deadly.

But in the states you can:

For no money down, you can visit the local emergency room and walk out with a prescription of amoxicillin or if it was deemed necessary, an injection at that time to stop the spread of the infection.

amoxicillin is the norm to treat an abscessed tooth.

For 13 dollars you can buy a script of amoxicillin from your local pharmacy. Someone on medicaid would get it free.

The dentist would've had to give him a prescription of antibiotics and let them run there course before any work could have been done(extraction), from my understanding.

Regardless, for 13 dollars, at the most out of pocket the child WOULD have survived.

I believe that the guardian of that child must be negligent in some way. Regardless of income she could have found some sort of treatment for BOTH of her children. BOTH of her children would still be here today if the guardian had looked for care for the 12yr old with an abscessed tooth.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 01:47 PM
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Wow, that's incredibly frightening! Since the complete details of the case remain with the family, I'll just throw out that it may not entirely be the mother's fault - when I was a kid I had a device called a "hamilton" fixed to the top of my mouth which covered portions of almost all of my top teeth (the device had a "keyhole" which my mother had to crank every night to expand my upper mouth... something that caused intense pain like I pray I will never have to again endure.) Clearly, I had proper dental and orthodontic care available to me, as both my parents had insurance from work and my mother had been a practicing pediatrician for about 20 years at the time.

I don't recall exactly how long the device was fixed onto my teeth, but it was a long time (probably 6+ mos) and when they took it off they found a small piece of popcorn kernel that had been wedged between the device and my teeth, causing severe abcesses to three of my teeth. This was over ten years ago and luckily I was able to keep all my teeth and my life, but that's insanely frightening to think death was a possibility! And the fact that my problem was only discovered after the device was finally removed is even more frightening! Maybe having it on 6 more months or so and I wouldn't be here. Wow.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 01:55 PM
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I'll be honest,I never knew that a tooth infection could become as serious as this. I figured that it was something that your body would fight off temproarily and then it would return to be fought off again. I mean, I knew they could make you sick. Kill you? I didn't know that.


[edit on 1-3-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 01:57 PM
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The dentist would've had to give him a prescription of antibiotics and let them run there course before any work could have been done(extraction), from my understanding.



As someone who has and is currently dealing with a similar situation, I think they can do something while the tooth is abscessed but don't because of possible complications. I will say this, due to my infected wisdom tooth, the oral surgeon told me that part of my jaw bone had deteriorated.
He said that it wasn't as bad as it could be, but he said it was certainy something that needed to be taken care of. Hence, the surgery tomorrow.


[edit on 1-3-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
Yeah? You would have given her the $80 she didn't have, personally?

No, I wouldn't. Clearly she can get 80 bucks from somehwere, and clearly the dentists office would work out a payment program if she couldn't afford it all at once.

She didn't have enough to get a tooth pulled is what everyone is saying, but had enough for brain surgery. Clearly, she didn't pay for the brain surgery, and just as clearly, she wouldn't've had to pay 80 bucks or so upfront to cover getting a tooth yanked.


It took me TWO YEARS after my filling fell out to find a dentist office willing to schedule me an appointment


If she saved a single penny a day, she'd have enough after two years to pay for the tooth removal in cash, upfront.


Dentist do not like to JUST pull a kid's tooth.....getting out with only owing $80?

The point is that she could've taken the kid to the dentists and had it taken care of, even if it meant she had to repay the dentists on a schedule. She didnt, she just let the kid's teeth rot.



speakeroftooth
I'll be honest,I never knew that a tooth infection could become as serious as this.

I think that is what she thought too, that the teeth woudl just rot and fall out and thats the end of it. Tooth Decay is an infection, it can travel straight to your heart, brain, etc, and kill you.

[edit on 1-3-2007 by Nygdan]



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I'll be honest,I never knew that a tooth infection could become as serious as this.


a simple scratch on an ankle can kill you if it gets infected (I have seen this more time in the ICU than I care to talk about)

As Nygdan pointed out the there were other options. As other posters pointed out she could have gone to the emergency room and gotten a prescription for an antibiotic. etc. etc. etc. Its ALWAYS a tragedy when someone dies but you could have the best system in the world and if people do not make use of resources then what?



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:37 PM
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First we have to assume the the parent(s) of this child did not know that the child would die from this. I brush my teeth very well, still I have had an abscess. It took months for me to get in to see a dentist, I didn't know my life could have been in danger while I waited.

Second, the boy complained of a headache and was taken to the emergency room where he was treated. Although the article doesn't say what medicine he was given, I think it's safe to assume that the medicine would have been an antibiotic. So, the mother didn't just ignore the boy until he dropped over.

Third, it's really hard to understand poverty unless you have been there. Poverty has a way of dehumanizing a person. Homeless shelters are not resorts. Imagine having to ask someone for toilet paper each time you use the restroom. Imagine having to make due with the small bit of toilet paper you are given each time. Imagine what kids say to you when you get on a school bus that stops at a homeless shelter. Imagine how it feels as a parent to watch that. Imagine seeing one of your children in pain and seeking help for him, and being told that you don't qualify.

The other child's tooth that doesn't seem too bad (that you certainly believe will not kill him) simply pales in comparison to getting clean clothes, safe places to sleep, school supplies, food, toilet paper, etc.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by anxietydisorder
Obviously they don't care if children die from something totally preventable.

You mean like abortion?

— Doc Velocity



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by anxietydisorder
Obviously they don't care if children die from something totally preventable.

You mean like abortion?

— Doc Velocity


Way to try and jack the thread........




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