Originally posted by Masonic Light
The ideas behind Thelema are not new, but the actual religion itself in its outward form was a Crowley invention (or perhaps it was Ra-Hoor Khuit, or at least Aiwass).

In modern usage, "Thelemite" refers to those who have accepted Liber Al vel Legis as the ground basis for doctrine, theory, and practice.

No, I believe that the Hanasmuss A. Crowley violated his oaths that he had taken from the Gnostic Church, and openly wrote about Thelema before it was to be publically taught again under that name.

Ra-Heru-Khuti, Heru of the Two Horizons, would be Samael Aun Weor, the Red Christ of Aquarius, Logos of Mars.


There are two kinds of Thelemites:

Those who incarnate the powers of Klipoth, through Thelema or Will-Power, Demon est Deus inversus.

And those who incarnate the Powers given by Christ, of the Superior Spheres, through Thelema or Will-Power(such as Jesus, Buddha, Hermes Trismegistus, Krishna, Babaji, etc.)


One application of Thelema leads only to unspeakable suffering.

The other application can lead to Liberation, either of the intermediate path, of the Spiral Path, or of the Straight Path.


Sorry, but there's only one kind of 'Thelema' that a gay, sodomite, drug addict could fall under; which I hope doesn't need to be pointed out.




[edit on 4-3-2007 by Tamahu]

OK, so you've got 3 fake patents (from 3 supposedly different organizations, but all signed by the same person, I might add).

If you were trying to impress us, kid, you're going to have to try a little harder.

How convenient of you to try and make that claim? I ask you psilocybe to prove how they are fake? Do you know this man personally and didn;t I already tell you that your Brothers betray you?

See what sweftl337 said about St. Germain.

Dear Tamahu, they do not see what is staring them flat in the face. They await for CNN or for their Grand Master’s advice in these matters.

Tamahu, forgive me for mentioning this name. I was referring to the twenty-eighth President of the United States, “Woodrow” but my spell check cannot fathom just how pitiful my English is. In going back through earlier posts, I cannot believe how I also made the error in mentioning that the Prussian Freemasonic Lodges were shut down by Hitler, they most certainly were not! The 3 globes and a few of the older German lodges of the Prussian and not the humanitarian lodges were actually pledging support to Hitler. Hitler attacked the humanitarian Lodges.

Fortunately I've found that which points toward the esoteric teachings of Christ, and the teachings of Tibetan Buddhism(not the Dugpas of course).

I’ve read your posts and you’re gaining support; albeit many of these souls are so lost they would rather argue over semantics with you then see all the wisdom.

As I've explained in another thread, I think it's somewhere between Aleister Crowley and the Church that we ought to look.

It is not as simple as characterizing into these categories like this. An illustrious member of the Ordo Templi Orientis wrote the book called “Hitler, the Occult Messiah by Gerald Suster” and as such, the OTO are in perfect league with Nazism. Incidentally, so are their friends in the Church of Scientology:

Some passages from the book “Hitler, the Occult Messiah by Gerald Suster” that may interest you:

“The OTO was founded between 1895 and 1900 by a pair of powerful Freemasons, Karl Kellner and Theodor Reuss. Politically, the order was right-wing in the extreme, proposing the creation of a pan-German world based on pagan spiritual beliefs. Kellner died in 1905, and Reuss, a former spy for the Prussian Secret Service, assumed the office of high caliph. While living in London, Reuss spied on German socialist expatriates. In 1912 he made the acquaintance of Aleister Crowley, and appointed him head of the OTO's British chapter. But The Beast's [Crowley's] political loyalties have always been an open question."

The fascist character of Scientology can be seen in embryonic form in the Michael Howard's profile of the OTO and its infamous leader in England, Aleister Crowley, as described in The Occult Conspiracy:

"When he was at Cambridge University the young Crowley had belonged to a Jacobite legitimate society and had dabbled in extreme right-wing politics." (p. 112)

"Because Crowley had extensive contacts with the European secret societies his specialist knowledge was used by the SIS [Britain's Secret Intelligence Service] for 'Black Propaganda' purposes. Crowley had confided to the writer Aldous Huxley in 1938 when they met in Berlin that Hitler was a practising occultist. He also claimed that the OTO had helped the Nazis to gain power." (p. 135)

Howard and other historians of the occult societies credit OTO with introducing Tantric sex magic which supposedly opens up all Hermetic and Masonic mysteries that are veiled in symbolism. Possible Origins for Dianetics and Scientology, by Jon Atack, compares the symbolism and rituals of OTO and Scientology: "Many of the symbols of Scientology were taken from ritual magic. Hubbard was a member of the AMORC Rosicrucians in 1940 and performed sexual 'magick' ceremonies with Jack Parsons, a follower of Aleister Crowley, in 1946. The Scientology cross is very similar to the Rosicrucian and Crowley crosses. Hubbard also used the 'daleth' triangle of the Egyptian destroyer god Set as the Dianetic symbol.

"The theta symbol used by Scientology is the central symbol of Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis, where it denotes 'thelema' or the will. It is the symbol of 'Babalon', the antichrist that Hubbard and Parsons tried to incarnate. The 'S and double triangle' motif of Scientology probably derives from the black magic use of the snake symbol (the 'wise serpent' or Satan) combined with a deconstruction into two triangles of the Star of David (rather like hanging the Christian cross upside down to signify devil worship). This symbol - the magical hexagram - was used by Hubbard and Parsons during their attempts at incarnating the anti-Christ in human form. Again, Hubbard shares the double triangle with Crowley, where the triangles stood for the 'Argentinum Astrum' or 'Silver Star', a name for Crowley's organization prior to his take-over of the Ordo Templi Orientis.
"Crowley's order - the OTO - had a common origin with the Thule group to which several members of the Nazi hierarchy belonged (including deputy party chairman Rudolph Hess). The sig rune - used by the Nazis - appears on the Scientology International Management Organization's symbol - a red square enclosing a white disc and set off by four such sig runes. The swastika of the Nazi flag has been replaced by the Scientology 'S and double triangle'. The symbol of the Religious Technology Center is surrounded by sig runes. As far as I can ascertain, the sig rune is otherwise peculiar to the Nazis.

If you're saying that there's a conspiracy to emasculate men, and turn them into cowards and gays, etc. then I agree.

This is another way in which they attack the family and the building up of knowing the difference between doing the things in the name of freedom and being compelled to freely choose to do what is right. Most Homosexuals profess the right to be free but fail to see the difference between freedom to do what is right and freedom to simply have it. However this is not something exclusively homosexual and not in itself what I was referring to.

At the same time, the goal of Alchemy is fuse the masculine and feminine poles within the Individual, through the Sexual act between opposite sexes. Which is really how the Man becomes a true Man, and how the Woman becomes a true Woman.

In the near future (several thousand years) there will incarnate human bodies which will no longer sustain the type of female organism and thus, only men will be born into human forms. These men must be able to have the ability to do exactly what you just mentioned. Through the activity of the spoken WORD they shall create life. Those that have not shaken off these lower passions will find themselves embodied into forms that will have the outward appearance of their inner passions. Similar to the Atlantians, they will not be able to hide their grotesque natures since the material body will have by this time, altered into a state where the nervous system cannot sustain the dissipate evil. .

Also, if you were saying that the worship of the Feminine Principle is negative, I'd have to disagree. The Ancient Eastern AEthiopian Tantric cultures of the Indus-Kush worshipped the Goddess, and you can bet that there were hardly any gays there, if at all. Same goes for the Western AEthiopian culture in Kemet who worshipped the Goddess. The Elohim and the Christ YHVH are both Female and Male.

We could classify it in this manner: Jesuitism was Female wisdom only (the old Romanism) and freemasonry was the Male Aspect. Today we see the male only aspect but had the Jesuits not intervened the Masons would have at a much earlier time, been able to incorporate the feminine principle into their male bodies in a proper and spiritually correct form. The Jesuit Woman today serve in a sense the same task as the female Wisdom is supposed to serve, do you see what I mean?

Or are you saying that the Jesuits and such are trying to suppress the Female Wisdom and keep it for themselves?

Exactly right! But who control Freemasonry since the Council of Vienna - this is the point. Tow opposing side Male and Female dominant and with each side creating a pendulum where the attack is two fold – both pulling slightly in their own direction Lenninism/Bolvischism was a creation of the synthesis of both pan-Americanism and Jesuitism. It requires both to survive, yet at the same time, threatens to devoir both side. .

You quoted Rudolph Steiner, right? I know that Samael Aun Weor considered him to be a true Gnostic-Rosicrucian.

Theosophy was my main understanding until I fell away. It was through Dr. Steiner’s teachings and others that I was saved from continuing down the wrong path.



[edit on 3-3-2007 by sweftl337]

Whats so "evil" about Masonry any ways? What is it about us you don't like?

Dear Rockpuck - (The Catholic),

When did you become a Mason? I think you are very much confused but good luck on the presidencey!


[edit on 3-3-2007 by sweftl337]

Originally posted by sweftl337


How convenient of you to try and make that claim? I ask you psilocybe to prove how they are fake?

That's twice you've mentioned psilocybn. Are you tripping now?

They're fake because the Rites of Memphis and Mitzraim ceased to work over a century ago, but anybody with 5 bucks can buy a fake patent.

Also, your patents, although seemingly of different orders, were all signed by the same guy. After doing a little research, I've discovered that his great occult "authority" comes from a voodoo priest in Chicago.

Again, not very impressive.




[edit on 3-3-2007 by Masonic Light]

Originally posted by Andy Warhol


As noted, Crowley died a wasted heroin addict given to rages and doubts. His last words were “I am perplexed…”

Neither is true. Crowley's "Book of Thoth" is considered his masterpiece, and is the last book he wrote. The legend that his words were "I am perplexed" is also false, as no one was with him at his time of death.

Iron Maiden lead singer Bruce Dickinson said: “… we’ve referred to things like the tarot and ideas of people like Aleister Crowley” (Circus, Aug. 31, 1984). Their song “The Number of the Beast” said, “666, the number of the beast/ 666, the one for you and me.” Crowley was called the Beast.

Face it, Andy:

Crowley will always be cool, Maiden will always rock, and you'll always be just a white haired dead guy who paints soup cans for a living.

Originally posted by sweftl337

… they do not see what is staring them flat in the face. They await for CNN or for their Grand Master’s advice in these matters.

The 3 globes and a few of the older German lodges of the Prussian and not the humanitarian lodges were actually pledging support to Hitler. Hitler attacked the humanitarian Lodges.

Sweft I believe that you are correct in a lot of what you say.


Hitler greets Müller the "Bishop of the Reich" and Abbot Schachleitner


Hitler Greets a Catholic Cardinal


Hitler leaves the Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven



[edit on 3-3-2007 by In nothing we trust]

Sweft: Listen child, I strongly advise you drop the Catholic BS right now you got that? If you have something to say to me personally, U2U me and il let you know how I feel about you got it?

Never have I met such a rude, abrasive ignorant person in my life, your arrogance is word like a badge on your breast, your ignorance seeps in every word you type, your pathetic bigotry and self righteous bile is disgusting at best, your mendacity shows to us all the mongoloid you really are. In your blathering nonsense you proclaim to know something yet know nothing, and in ignorantly feeble attempts you try and "show us" where we went wrong. You know nothing about Masonry but what you read in a book, if you have even gone that far. You post links to bigoted website and proclaim your own knowledge when all you can do is summarize what a better man then you stated before, and even their intellectual status would be under scrutiny from the vile filth they spew from the protective privacy and isolation of the internet.

How dare you, or any of you, attempt to contend the truth to a Mason, any Mason, declaring you know the truth in their actions when you your self would not have the balls to walk into a lodge your self. How dare you say that you as a Christian are better then I or any one else. How dare you say we worship YOUR falsely proclaimed Devil, when to be Christian is not a mandate of Masonry. Tell me Sweft, the all knowledgeable Sweft, why are you so much better then I. I would advocate any Mason, even the worst of our brotherhood over the abrasive ignorance of your self. I would find my self in better company in the presence of rabid dogs then to be near you arrogance. You are truly the shining example of the despicable, appalling, disgraceful, pathetic, bigoted religious zealots that have truly spread evil over the world in the worst ways through self righteous attitudes from your high pedestal you look down on your fellow man as nothing more then scum unless they concur your own beliefs. You in my mind, are no better, if not actually worse then the "Satanist" you so fear. There is nothing more dangerous in our world then people who use their personal beliefs to demean their fellow man, to create a moral hierarchy, to place those who do not consent in the lowest level of your acceptance. The most evil deeds in the history of mankind came from people like your self. You truly disgust me.

Masonic Light face it Iron Maiden sucks, Crowley was a pervert, masonry is a joke, and you can't even lie like a good mason. You want to play the insult game lets dance I read all these masons comments and understand they can't take the truth about what a pitiful brotherhood it really is. I like the "masonic spin" you use with the term Irregular lodge. What a lie. Crowley was nothing more then glorified trailer trash like masonry. But then again being a mason I'am not surprised you would model yourself after a sodimite, heroin addict, cocaine addict, and child molester. I'am sure your parents are proud, I know I would be

Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Masonic Light face it Iron Maiden sucks, Crowley was a pervert, masonry is a joke, and you can't even lie like a good mason. You want to play the insult game lets dance I read all these masons comments and understand they can't take the truth about what a pitiful brotherhood it really is. I like the "masonic spin" you use with the term Irregular lodge. What a lie. Crowley was nothing more then glorified trailer trash like masonry. But then again being a mason I'am not surprised you would model yourself after a sodimite, heroin addict, cocaine addict, and child molester. I'am sure your parents are proud, I know I would be

I'd lay odds that your spelling teacher is proud too.

(Oh...don't chastise me Mods...I just HAD to do it...after all, we ARE supposed to deny ignorance, right?) Well...SOME of us anyhoo....

AW now Appak don't hurt their feelings.

They like to think their intelligent, apparently their mothers didn't have the heart to tell them they where not actually special, but special as in possibly lacking one or so chromosomes.

Dear Rockpuck – (The Old and Wise):

I feel great love between us and also the need to respond to such a well thought out and kind response to me. It’s a source of great pleasure and incomprehensible gratification to greet you at long last, although our correspondence is not in person. It’s disappointing for me to make your acquaintance in this manner since you mentioned that I was by far, the most unique type of person you have ever “met”. I beg that you will afford me a greater pleasure and a privilege also if instead I could someday meet you in person.

I have noticed you’re a true protagonist so persistently propagating the principles of the Freemasonic Order and also at the same instance, the Roman Catholic Church, which I think makes you a source of inspiration! In view of this fact it requires great courage for me to write to you as I am about to do. Since I noticed that few can live up to your standards and based upon your more than kind words to me, I do after all this confusion hope you shall still favor me as you have already done thus far. For it is not in my being to tell us both that puckering up here to early in the game in some vain attempt to rally sympathy from the board members would certainly be frowned upon. I can assure you my old friend that you will not find much sympathy here being that this is a Conspiracy Board, and of course since you are old enough to know better anyhow, and since your wisdom extends to the appreciation that this is no Saturday night special with Dr. Phil, we need not even worry much more about it. I think that you’re a tough old dog and new tricks are hard to come by but you must still be able to handle the occasional ruffling of your dusty old feathers or else to see what is next, else you would in fact not still be remaining here, see?

You display some outstanding achievements as a convert from Catholicism to Freemasonry but to be honest sir, I must have missed the surprise party and perhaps next time around, you’ll also be kind enough to include us all in the invitation? I see that you also declined my invitation to a deeper debate between the two of us on another thread. Perhaps it is because as you mentioned already, I am a mere child, and that you being so much older, wiser and of course more literate than I, and not to mention you having such a great devotion to flowering your posts with artistic flavor that you naturally would decline to allow me the great honor to discuss in a scholarly manner with you. Certainly, the pleasure would have been all mine, I’m sure. Incidentally, I meant what I said earlier when I offered to assist you but could it have been possible though, to truly move forward and alleviate any fear which you might still have all pent up deep inside that older shell and perhaps there’s something deeper to all this conspiracy nonsense out there? Could there be a reason that eludes you at the present moment as to why you are really here in the first place? Certainly where there is so much smoke there must have also been some fire? If I may also so indulge you to understand that I see your honest display as a Catholic all but revealing to me that any dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church need not apply to you, sir. As you have so earnestly put it already, you do not worship the Christian Satan and that means that Crowley must have been right about those dumb Christians not knowing any better also. Sadly, Crowley was not nearly as wise as yourself and thus he also got confused and tended to mash together the Manceanism, the Templar’s, The Freemasons, the Catharism, the Protestants and the Rosicrucianism with those evil Jesuits – for after all, as he made it more than clear, those Christians do what the Church says, and Crowley does the opposite thing right? And since I’ve noticed the pattern of Crowley worship here, that is he was cooler than Jesus and had more orgies I can also see why no one would dare argue this point.

Indeed, I have so much to learn from you Rockpuck and perhaps we can all share in that learning process together, now what do you say? Would you like it if I threw out a few important questions regarding Freemasonry, Hitler Stalin and the sort? You see, I cannot do so if I truly disgust you, as it might become rather more difficult to engage each other while I mop up the floor with the little Masons that continue to badger everything on this board. So if you wish it still, please kindly do me the honor of saying “Please forgive me Father, for I have sinned” on ATS and let’s start over.

Most respectfully and very sincerely,
Sweft

Tahamu, just to touch upon this now.....

The one thing necessary, in life as in art, is to tell the truth.

Leo Tolstoy

We now face a crisis for all civilization and they only way for us to truly breach the mystery of it all is to have knowledge of both Freemasonry and Jesuitism. I have one intention coming here and that purpose is to expose once and for all, that there is indeed a Conspiracy of mammoth proportion and it most certainly involves, Communism, Zionism, Freemasonry and Jesuitism. Jesuitism during the time of Loyola captured the Roman Catholic Priesthood and an emporium is created as Anglo-Saxonism or Freemasonry also opposes Jesuitism. Humanity is destined to move into the Slavic-epoch and thus we are being attacked from both sides. Freemasonry and Jesuitism oppose each other as the emporium to oppose the consciousness of the “I am I” and thus prevent us from moving a step ahead. When I return, i'll explain more on this.

There is a huge misconception on this board that when I speak of terms like “Freemasonry” or “Jesuitism”, that I have somehow covered all aspects of the orders that lay behind these names. It is very difficult to expose these things without also falling into the label that these opposing forces attach to each other in order to keep us all in a constant state of confusion and to keep hidden the true conspirators. We must understand that it is only those people of high degrees that lead humanity, and the destinies of the various occult orders and world politics.

The tendency toward materialism is moved ahead at lightning speed by the two antipodes of Freemasonry and Jesuitism. They serve one purpose and that is to move us all away from any clear understanding of the Christ.

No one can deny that by 1879, the Cecil Rhodes Roundtable Conspiracy had already begun within the Anglo-Saxon Freemasonic Lodges and that by the turn of the century (1900’s) we saw the effects of these secret societies at work.

For me to formulate a guideline to allow someone new to come to a correct conclusion, it would be that during the Spanish Inquisition the true Catholic form of Christianity was absolutely and irrevocably compromised. Even though we may find honest folks who are dedicated to a spiritual quest still existing it will be turned into evil often, as Jesuitism has become the one sided pole and Freemasonry the other side! Thus the forces of evil control both sides and as such Opus Dei and the Jesuits wage war against the spirits of heaven, whilst the Elitists Freemasons today play with hell! Freemasonry is insidious as they attempt to bring about total internationalism and they set each nation under an influence of the satanic double of the corresponding nations folk Spirit. Meanwhile, the Jesuits what do they do? They create political nationalism, and we saw the rise of Nazism as a prime example, for they attack the angels of the people’s leaders and try to force them under Lucifer’s gaze

Originally posted by Andy Warhol
sweftl337 I must disagree with you here...Rockpunk and Appak are two steps below dog crap.

Why thank you Andy. I *thought* your posts were going to be quality. There's the proof.

And to want to be a member of a all male club who has done nothing good for the nation in the past 75-100 years.

You obviously know nothing about Freemasonry. But, please continue to wildly speculate and demonstrate your . . . well, whatever it is you're demonstrating.