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Double Standard - Christ's Coffin v. Shoah v. Danish Cartoons

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posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:04 PM
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I am really disgusted how easily my beliefs can be ridiculed here.
I am really disgusted at the lack of decency and respect of so many here.




posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:10 PM
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looking in
. a reader who was able to discern THE POINT of my OP.

If your 'point' wasn't clear to many members of this board then its probably because you didn't do a good job of representing it.


Originally posted by shooterbrody
I also see a double standard.

How is there a double standard? Its a different reaction from the people. When the muslim faith is publically attacked, they get aggitated and have street protests. When teh christian faith is publically attacked, christians complain and even get their government representatives to publically complain about it.

Thats not a double standard, thats a different reaction from different sets of people.

THe double standard would be when christians criticize muslims for reacting against what they perceive as attacks on their faith, and then when their faith is attacked, they go ballistic. They're not throwing firebombs at embassies, sure, but then again, they're not a powerless and marginalized minority either. If they were, they'd be doing the same.


I am really disgusted how easily my beliefs can be ridiculed here.
I am really disgusted at the lack of decency and respect of so many here.

Well, most religions are pretty silly on the surface. Muslims beleive some desert nomad with a 12 year old wife saw a floating ball of fire in a cave and dicated a holy text to him. Jews beleive that they need to avoid ham and cheese sandwiches to get into heaven. Christians beleive that a jewish zombie guy is going to fly them up to heaven. There's not much that can be done about that, faith is irrational, it supposed to be.


grover
JEEZZZ bloody fanatics!!!!

"Oh jesus christ, I pray to you, save me from your followers!"



tkmelb
But they won't be rioting, killing people and destroying property....

And neither do well off and empowered muslims. Its the poor and weak that have the violent reactions, regardless of whether they're christians or muslims. When the danes made those cartoons, it was the marginalized muslims that rioted, and mostly in their own countries. THere weren't any muslim riots in America, and there are lots of muslims here. After 911, lots of dumb, low class american christians at the margins of acceptable society lashed out violently at muslims, that clearly didn't mean that all americans were violent.



digerati
the Point here was not about the resurrection of Christ, but the "special Protection" that the Holocaust receives.( And I was Never aware that CANADA, was a nazi state

It pretty clearly isn't. Canada IS part of the Dominion that was mercilessly bombed by the nazis and nearly destroyed by it. It's hardly suprising that an element of modern Nazism, irrational holocaust denial propaganda, is illegal in Canada.
No state, anywhere, except ones in complete anarchy, have 'utterly free speech'. In the US, its illegal to call for the violent overthrow of the government, or call for violent action against a people. Thats why the Communist Party USA was illegal. The euros and anglos are doing the same thing with Nazism.


even tho, the numbers do not match the records ( Germans are renown for book keeping

That is False. The documents support that 6 million jews were killed in the holocaust.

Ummm what evidence is there that 6 million died?

If you haven't seen the evidence, why are you assuming that it doesn't support the claim?
There are records of how many jews went into the some of the camps, and how many were left at the end. There are demographic records of how many jews were in the various towns, and how many were left after the war, who hadn't moved or died outside of the camps. There are documents, both state documents detailing the plan, and personal diaries written by camp operators, explaining the holocaust.


Could it have been 4 1/2 million?

No, it couldn't've been 4.5 million, because the evidence shows that it was 6 million.



jackofblades
That his second toe was longer than his first?

BLASPHEMER!!!!


In Islamic communities there are no pictures of Mohammed because unlike Christians they don't shamelessly use their chief prophet as the subject of every piece of art.

It has nothing to do with art, and I don't really see why faith inspiring art is a bad thing. The muslims don't do pictures of mohammed, or any living thing for that matter, because their faith says that it is like creating an Idol, or that it will lead eventually to idolatry. That is why muslim art is generally geometric. Does the fact that its religiously inspired make muslim geometric art thus less beautiful?


whargoul
C'mon if your faith is so deep, I think you should be able to roll with the humanizing of your MESSIAH, not your G_D (I sure like that spelling), but your MESSIAH.

Jesus IS God in christianity. And it doesn't make sense to omit the 'o' in God when you're talking about someone elses' god, since its only done out of a sign of peity for one's own god.

I believe (and somebody correct me if I am wrong) that even though your religion is mainly tied up in King James version of the New Testiment

The vast majority of christian churches don't actually even recognize the KJV as a 'dominant' version or anything like it. The KJV is popular amoung some Protestants, but hardly all, and is not used by any of the various types of Catholics or Orthodox, Copts, etc.

SO, I have always been confused about the Deification of the son and the mom.

Mary is not deified in christianity. She is a saint, and is especially loved by many christians because she was the mother of jesus.

I know there's some kind of trinity thing and all, but what ever happened to put no God before me?

Why is it that an all powerful and omnipotent god, unbound by simple human reasoning, can't be Triune?

but truely I thought it was all about the message? Not the MAN... So what if he didn't turn water into wine or rise bodily into heaven, does that negate the message in your view

If Jesus didn't die, get buried, and was resurrected, then he's just a man, and you can't acheive salvation through him. He's a good man, who taught a pacifistic message. No ressurection, no christianity.
Just as the muslims have a 'statement of faith', things a person must minimally beleive in to be a muslim, (it is "there is no god but allah and mohammed is his prophet"), the christians have a creed:

www.newadvent.org...

( of course, there are some groups, like the Unitarians, who reject Trinitarian Christianity, who are still considered christians, and others).


So, IF there is a physical body of jesus, that negates the ressurection, which was a bodily resurrection. If the ressurection is negated, then jesus is not the son of god, and faith in him does not 'save' people.


[edit on 28-2-2007 by Nygdan]

[edit on 1-3-2007 by intrepid]



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by shooterbrody
I am really disgusted how easily my beliefs can be ridiculed here.


Everybody's beliefs are ridiculed. And not just here. My beliefs are ridiculed all the time. But they're my beliefs. No one else has to respect them or agree with them.

Do you think people shouldn't give their opinions about your beliefs? If so, you should probably not put them out there.



I am really disgusted at the lack of decency and respect of so many here.


What does that even mean? As far as I experience this board, there are tons of decent respectful people here.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:11 PM
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Oh I have looked, for along time, the only numbers I can find are on the JDL web page, not that I'm sure but they could be biased a bit, will you reveal your source please,I would like to know more about the "gas" chambers that were are referred to so often, can you site a source for that that is backed up with scientific evidence other then "eye witness" testimony. Because just like with UFO's there could be some fraudulent claims

external source

Miscellaneous Lists and Registers of German Concentration Camp Inmates, Originated or Collected by the International Tracing Service. Microfilm Publication A3355. 189 rolls. (Roll List available)

www.archives.gov...

oddly enough, this is one of the few records not available on the net



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 08:13 PM
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What were we talking about again?



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 09:47 PM
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We were talking about:

Why the law protects shoah from criticism or investigation, versus how violence protects Islam from criticism, versus how Christians are big enough to take everybody's crap (every year right before Easter, mind you), and keep on trucking.

We rock...we're meek, and we shall inherit, I guess.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 10:01 PM
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In that case, I would say it depends on what one bases there faith on and what God is to them.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by LookingIn

We rock...we're meek, and we shall inherit, I guess.



With a tag line like that I would say that you haven't gotten the meek part down yet. There goes your inheritance.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 08:41 AM
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LOL - I realized the juxtaposition right after I clicked , but decided not to edit it so that hopefully the humour would come through in the slapping of the forehead moment... as in "D'Oh!"



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by thedigirati
Oh I have looked, for along time, the only numbers I can find are on the JDL web page, not that I'm sure but they could be biased a bit, will you reveal your source please,

You can look here:
www1.yadvashem.org...

Citing the studies of Professor Raul Hilberg, Jacob Leschinsky, Professor Yisrael Gutman, Dr. Robert Rozett, & Dr. Wolfgang Benz.


I would like to know more about the "gas" chambers that were are referred to so often, can you site a source for that that is backed up with scientific evidence other then "eye witness" testimony


Construction of Operation Reinhard extermination camps:
www.nizkor.org...

Blueprints, photos, gastight door and window orders, with corresponding citations to some of the reports they featured in:
www.nizkor.org...


Prussian Blue and its relation to the homocidal extermination chambers:
www.nizkor.org...
&
www.nizkor.org...



Looking In
Why the law protects shoah from criticism or investigation

Because the very countries that had to deal with nazism, such as Germany and the british commonwealth, have deicded that Nazism is illegal, and that irrational holocaust denial is tantamount to Nazism.

versus how Christians are big enough to take everybody's crap

Thats baloney. They're not rioting, but they're certainly expressing their offense in the media. Christians in American aren't rioting, just like Muslims in America didn't riot over the mohammed cartoon, just like nazis arent' arrested in america.

[edit on 1-3-2007 by Nygdan]



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
So, IF there is a physical body of jesus, that negates the ressurection, which was a bodily resurrection. If the ressurection is negated, then jesus is not the son of god, and faith in him does not 'save' people.


That's pretty heavy. This is the part where I throw the Arians heretical views out and try to sound smart about Nicea, but we all have Wiki and could look it up if it meant that much. BUT, it's there, the historical push to deify a man backed by an Emperor with an image to make.

For you Nazi revisionist (I need to try to hit some other topics from the OP), above I am speaking of Arius you guys are Aryans not the same thing. Try not to get that mixed up; you can't count so I don't expect your history grades to be that high either.

So where is the double standard exactly? You guys have no way of reevaluating ancient canon without being heretical, but when faced with verifiable facts from recent history flip over to some kind of make believe were being persecuted dogma? A fact is a fact and all the whining dogma in the world can't change that. And unfortunately we have no DNA from Christ to really nail the facts down into place, so you still have an out to believe how you will and get that Salvation in the end.

The way I understand it is that Jesus, Joseph and Mary were pretty common names in those times... But we are looking at what: A mother, father, 2 sons, wife and grand child (there are a few more I think also)? What are the chances of any family having the same names for the same relations as The Family they are looking for? I can't wait to see the evidence; I have vehemently denied the existence of Christ (as a real person) for most of my life and am looking forward to having my views challenged. If this family has the right names in the right relative familial positions then that is pretty good evidence to me that my beliefs are ready to be reevaluated.



posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by whargoul
BUT, it's there, the historical push to deify a man backed by an Emperor with an image to make.

Arianism didn't deny that jesus was divine, and Constantine converted to christianity because, like any convert to christianity, he had faith.



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