WatchNLearn: instead of trying to plug some site that sells DVD's about the subject, where we need to buy the DVD's to know who the shooter was, why don't you tell us straight up who your site claims to be the shooter?

And if its mentioned on your site, link to the page where its mentioned instead of making this attempt at free advertisement.

Just so you know, shameless self advertisement without explicit permission from ATS staff is against the ToS.

Originally posted by helium3

THIS IS ABSOLUTE PROOF the fatal bullet hitting JFK in the head came from the grassy knoll

Except you have not analyzed the Z-film correctly, nor do you know if there are frames missing.

For instance careful analysis shows that he went forward very slightly before going back and to the left. The shot from the rear may have come from the Dal-Tex building (the red brick on to the right in your jpg), and just a millisecond before a shot from the front from the stormdrain.

There's some evidence that the grassy knoll shooter missed. He was trying to time a shot not to hit JBK.

BTW, nice post, but you're about 10 years behind the current research. LOL.

[edit on 16-11-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Originally posted by Badge01
He was trying to time a shot not to hit JBK.

JBK ?

I guess being 10 years behind i have some more research to do.

Originally posted by helium3

Originally posted by Badge01
He was trying to time a shot not to hit JBK.

JBK ?

I guess being 10 years behind i have some more research to do.

Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy. :LOL:

It's hard to know what's correct but when you put everything together, the consensus is that the area was a 'kill zone' with three teams minimum. Some of the shots were supposedly taken as decoys to throw off observers with military training who might recognize gunshots. But the area was a big echo chamber making tracking location quite difficult.

They attempted to make a shot from the Dal-Tex building to make it conform with a TBD shot, but that may have missed. The clean up shooters were, of course, in front of the limo, affording them a target coming towards them.

One key thing that makes a TBD shooter unlikely is that no shot was taken as the motorcade approached the building. Some said that this shot was skipped to avoid a fusillade of return fire from the SS, but this is specious. The SS was in on it to some degree - they relaxed security and allowed the motorcycle escort to drop back behind the limo.

Read the essay I posted a link to by Bertrand Russell to see just how much obfuscation was going on wrt the details of the event back before people were able to see the Z-film, such as it is.

First off let me start by saying if you do not believe in such things like the basic laws of physics ie Newton's laws of motion then read no further.

If JFK's head was an uniformly dense inanimate object...then it would matter.

Considering you have to factor in the explosive exit wound, velocity of the bullet on entry, and physiological reaction to being shot...

Please don't wave around science when you actually have no calculations. It's like name dropping. It's sad and meaningless. If you have physical proof, then show it.

*physicist*

Originally posted by helium3
So if the Action force from the bullet travailing from behind hits JFK in the back of the head the reaction force would trust JFK head forward(opposite in direction to the force exerted by the bullet), but as you clearly seen in theZapruder Flim JFK is trusded back and to the left ?.

The exit wound is on the front.

It looks like he is hit, and them moves around a bunch for a moment, eventually settling backwards.

Originally posted by Nygdan
The exit wound is on the front.

It looks like he is hit, and them moves around a bunch for a moment, eventually settling backwards.

No, the exit wound is on the back of his head. Do some research and you'll see that his body was tampered with when in transit from dallas, that the people who originally examined him ALL said the exit was on the BACK of his head..

JFK is the easiest conspiracy to solve. Honestly, all you need is the video evidence of his head going back and to the left, and having seen the pathetic attempt to try and debunk it with the "magic bullet" theory, you can quite easily see that he was not assassinated by Oswald.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon

Originally posted by Nygdan
The exit wound is on the front.

It looks like he is hit, and them moves around a bunch for a moment, eventually settling backwards.

No, the exit wound is on the back of his head. Do some research and you'll see that his body was tampered with when in transit from dallas, that the people who originally examined him ALL said the exit was on the BACK of his head..

JFK is the easiest conspiracy to solve. Honestly, all you need is the video evidence of his head going back and to the left, and having seen the pathetic attempt to try and debunk it with the "magic bullet" theory, you can quite easily see that he was not assassinated by Oswald.

All the docs at Parkland describe a large wound in the back of the head.

Please, everyone, do some minimal research and annotate or link in your posts for assertions. Popping on and making a 'pronouncement' does this topic no good.

Though it appears to be a large wound in the front on the Z-film, I don't think it's clear what we're seeing. The 'splash and spray' which only occurs for one frame of the film, to me suggests evidence of tampering. The large 'blob' which I have done some 'false color analysis', though amateur, suggests it was painted on. Jackie would have been covered in red blood and even had bone fragments in her face if it had really exploded as it did in the Z-film. Yet, she had some blood on her skirt and that's about it.

At least use common sense.

I think it flatly looks like he was shot from behind, spased out, and collapsed into the back of the seat.

Originally posted by Nygdan
I think it flatly looks like he was shot from behind, spased out, and collapsed into the back of the seat.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Shall we, then, make things on ATS be opinion-based or fact-based.

What is your area of expertise, if you don't mind my asking? (ATS subject matter expert)

Don't forget that Gerald Ford was the one who changed the position of the original wound on the Warren Report.

Originally posted by Nygdan
I think it flatly looks like he was shot from behind, spased out, and collapsed into the back of the seat.

What I see (the shot in question):
1st the head moves forward slightly when hit from behind, 2nd the bullet bursting out of his front, probably causing the head to snap back.

Nygdan has solved the mystery.

Might add:
The bullet shot from behind caused the head to burst open in the front.
Example: the apple.

Originally posted by XPhiles
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Nygdan has solved the mystery.

Might add:
The bullet shot from behind caused the head to burst open in the front.
Example: the apple.

An apple, a small soft fruit, sitting on a table being impacted by a normal steel-jacketed or even lead bullet does not approximate a human head, which is attached to a neck and body.

Alvarez, an apologist for the WC, and Latimer's 'Jet effect' has been soundly debunked. The human head is not a melon on a pedestal.

/2sasgk

Read the explanation above, by a noted JFK researcher.

Though the 'jet effect' exists, wrt released balloons it does not apply here.

There's a mechanical ''problem'' in creating the ''jet effect''. It requires confined energy with a sharply vectored the exhaust out of a small hole. All the Dallas doctors and nurses describe a large wound in the back of the head, not a large wound in the front.

I'm quite surprised with the apparent low level of knowledge and lack of study of current assassination materials that exists on ATS.


[edit on 28-2-2007 by Badge01]

Originally posted by Badge01

An apple, a small soft fruit, sitting on a table being impacted by a normal steel-jacketed or even lead bullet does not approximate a human head, which is attached to a neck and body.


Alvarez, an apologist for the WC, and Latimer's 'Jet effect' has been soundly debunked. The human head is not a melon on a pedestal.

I'm just giving an example, his head explodes like that apple not saying his head is an apple or melon.

Originally posted by Badge01

Read the explanation above, by a noted JFK researcher.

Though the 'jet effect' exists, wrt released balloons it does not apply here.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure this one out, when you clearly have a video showing his head explode like that apple, and plus knowing Oswald is behind them with a gun.

Originally posted by Badge01

There's a mechanical ''problem'' in creating the ''jet effect''. It requires confined energy with a sharply vectored the exhaust out of a small hole. All the Dallas doctors and nurses describe a large wound in the back of the head, not a large wound in the front.

I'm not concerned about the "jet effect". Look at the skin of the apple, it explodes like JFK's skull. The apple skin is giving the example, let's call it the "apple effect."

From what I read, The Parkland doctors only saw JFK for about 20 minutes and where confused. If it was in fact 20 minutes, that's not long enough to confirm anything. Then there's the video that clearly shows a large wound in the front, you can't debunk the obvious unless your looking to make money selling a book or movie.

Originally posted by Badge01

I'm quite surprised with the apparent low level of knowledge and lack of study of current assassination materials that exists on ATS.

So everyone is at a lower level if we don't agree with you, sounds like you got a chip on your shoulder. Maybe you need to learn how to use ATS, you'd be surprised how much more knowledge is here.