Power: Gore Mansion Uses 20X Average Household Consumption

Gore ain't perfect but he's really the only person stepping up to the pedestal to do anything in Amerika about global warming. Bash him all you want but don't pretend that the viewpoint of people like Bush, Fallwell, etc. that global warming doesn't exist is actually based on science. It's not its based on the fact that it garners votes among the masses of "lower intelligence" voters. How anyone can try to debunk global warming is beyond me; but hey I went to college and studied the Environment. What do I know? Maybe I should ask someone's preacher! The science of the Iron/Bronze age is very advanced. Wait a minute they didn't have science in the Iron/Bronze age.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Thing is they don't go around preaching about how bad global warming is and about how ignorant and deceitful people are doing nothing to help solve it while at the same time consuming energy at ridicules levels and making the problems worse.

Right, because Al Gore used ALL of that energy himself, right? Not him along with his family, staff, security, aides, guests, etc.... I want someone to post a link showing Gore using all of that himself. I am so sick of people posting in threads without reading the discussion already at hand. So many points have been posted, then debunked, then reposted. Read the thread man!! Your rhetoric is failing you.

Originally posted by WestPoint23

Al Gore is being hypocritical and deceitful, not saying he does not have a point just saying that if he cares about the issue as much as he claims he does it would be nice if his actions reflected that. After all actions do speak louder than words right?

If you read some of the posts in this thread, you would have already discovered that his actions DO reflect what he cares about. That isn't convenient to YOUR argument, so you just ignore them and perpetuate the lie that started this thread in the first place. You cannot compare the usage of Gores estate to that of the average family, apples and oranges. This isn't saying that he is superior or special either, just a different circumstance. Please read ALL of my posts to understand this.

Ok, for a house that have 20 bedrooms I think that he doesn't spend that much money.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Hummm, I live in a two story three bedroom average home with two bathrooms . . .

My electricity in a month is about 250 dollars so . . . compare to a home with 20 bedrooms I think Gore is getting better electrical bills that I do with a small three bedroom home.

I will like to know who here only pay 25 dollars a month because in my modest income neighborhood that is nothing but a dream of 20 years ago.

So what is the big deal? He got a big home so he got a big bill . . .

But hey I forgot he is an environmentalist and some don't like him so hey lets give him a good bashing.

Is nothing more than envy.

[edit on 27-2-2007 by marg6043]

I think everyone can see that wasting energy is not a good thing to do. Save some trees or something. Sure, he can turn off the lights and save some energy while he's at home but he's probably not there 3/4 of the year. A 20 room house is going to take lots of energy to heat anyways, are you saying he should move into a smaller house? That doesnt seem fair to tell him what to do.

Bike to work and save the whales and you wont have to argue about stupid things like this.

What I want to know is where are the people bewailing the fact that bush minor has a state of the art green house yet backs policies that are determinantal to the environment. It cuts both ways you know.

Originally posted by marg6043
Ok, for a house that have 20 bedrooms I think that he doesn't spend that much money.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Hummm, I live in a two story three bedroom average home with two bathrooms . . .

My electricity in a month is about 250 dollars so . . . compare to a home with 20 bedrooms I think Gore is getting better electrical bills that I do with a small three bedroom home.

I will like to know who here only pay 25 dollars a month because in my modest income neighborhood that is nothing but a dream of 20 years ago.

So what is the big deal? He got a big home so he got a big bill . . .

But hey I forgot he is an environmentalist and some don't like him so hey lets give him a good bashing.

Is nothing more than envy.

[edit on 27-2-2007 by marg6043]

Excellent point Marg! That is exactly what I was trying to convey in my earlier post. If you took the number of people who resided there during that period of time and divided the useage amongst them, the figures woudl be WAY different and would prove Drudge out to be the spinster that he is. I hope that someone does a counter article to this.

Originally posted by grover
What I want to know is where are the people bewailing the fact that bush minor has a state of the art green house yet backs policies that are determinantal to the environment. It cuts both ways you know.

Good point. Even bush jr. realises the danger we are in. They aren't the ones that will have to worry though when we go past the point of no return - if we haven't already.......

It matters in what is beneficial to the individual, to the simple American adopting major policies means nothing to them, but when their electric bill is high it sets off a spark inside them. The same goes for Bush, using a good greenhouse is something that he can afford and sees a direct benefit from it. To adopt major environmental policies and lose lobbyist contributions would be detrimental to him. Its all dollars and sense.

Originally posted by CAConrad0825
I do not view the world as a self-absorbed person but use common sense, logic, economics and actual sources to base my opinions.

I went ahead and edited the above quote for spelling as I know that proper spelling means a lot to you.

Now, the reason that people focus on you is because they know exactly where your opinions come from and the message you are trying to send. It is not only irresponsible to claim that global warming is not real but it is also irresponsible to not directly challenge those that are trying to pretend that there is any intellectual debate as to the reality of global warming. Global warming = FACT. Break free from your Stockholm Syndrome and realize that your oppressors are lying to you in the name profits.

4) Try and spell-check and get your gramma/syntax correct. Very often, your credibility will be judged by how well you present your thoughts as a well-written post.

I think this is a suggestion rather than a rule. I am pretty sure that the use of Foulwell was received by readers as intended by the author. I especially appreciated it because your offense to it helped the rest of the readers identify you for what you are.

I am still interested in answers to my questions above. Why are you against Global Warming? You do know that it is not a matter of question in the scientific community? I know you claimed that there were independent studies on the matter to support you opinion on the matter but we have discounted that as an off the cuff ignorant statement.

If these studies do exist please link them and we can educate each other about their validity. You do seek the truth do you not?

Originally posted by CAConrad0825
To adopt major environmental policies and lose lobbyist contributions would be detrimental to him. Its all dollars and sense.

Now this I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately this mindset only perpetuates false info as was used in the creation of the article that sparked this thread. Again, this whole topic is being taken out of context. As Marg pointed out above, their PER PERSON useage was probably lower than that of the "average" persons use - they dont show THOSE numbers though do they??

Hey Marg I pay about $40 a month for the small bungalow I rent. I replaced all my light bulbs with those coil shaped energy saving bulbs. I wrapped all the pipes and the hot water heater (gas) in insulation and I paid (not my landlord) to have the electric stove replaced with gas. I have a small greenhouse and grow a lot of my own vegetables and herbs, can what I can or buy bulk on the local farmers market and can it... I bicycled everywhere until my knee started giving out on me before buying my first internal combustion engine, a 1987 honda helix scooter that gets 70 mpg... I also recycle and compost.... and I still don't think I do enough.

I never once stated that I was "against or for" global warming. I feel that humans have had too little time and too little of a data sample to account for what is our contribution to the environment and what is that or natural process. We claim that the world is over a billion years old, and modern science that can measure these types of trends have been around for a fraction of a fraction of the time to measure these trends. The data sample is not concrete enough for me to draw a decision.

I object to anyone on either side stating that I am for or against, i would like to see further debate and speculation of the "Facts"...not refutation and ignorance.

Originally posted by grover
Hey Marg I pay about $40 a month for the small bungalow I rent. I replaced all my light bulbs with those coil shaped energy saving bulbs. I wrapped all the pipes and the hot water heater (gas) in insulation and I paid (not my landlord) to have the electric stove replaced with gas. I have a small greenhouse and grow a lot of my own vegetables and herbs, can what I can or buy bulk on the local farmers market and can it... I bicycled everywhere until my knee started giving out on me before buying my first internal combustion engine, a 1987 honda helix scooter that gets 70 mpg... I also recycle and compost.... and I still don't think I do enough.

Wow man, you put me to shame. We replaced all of our light bulbs with either flourescent or the curly ones, and we have gas heat, stove & water heater. I do drive however, something that I am going to try and do less - it doesn't help when you live far from where you work.......
I cant wait until they develop a truly efficient hydrogen vehicle - or electric for that matter....
I really want to start a small greenhouse in the back yard - just to grow some veggies and such.

actually the world is dated as 4.5 to 5 billion years old. We can study a lot of different things to determine the environment at various times in the past ranging from tree rings to ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic to go as far back as 600,000 years and then there is geological resources ranging from soil and rock analysis to mud cores from the bottom of the ocean. NONE of which says that man is causing global warming per say but shows the patterns and rates of heating and cooling.

What I want to know is how long you nay sayers are going to keep going OH its the hottest year on record (for the x year in a row) but its no proof of global warming.

Whether humans cause it or simply contribute to it is moot, conservation and protection of the environment should always be sound public policy.

Originally posted by CAConrad0825
I never once stated that I was "against or for" global warming. I feel that humans have had too little time and too little of a data sample to account for what is our contribution to the environment and what is that or natural process. We claim that the world is over a billion years old, and modern science that can measure these types of trends have been around for a fraction of a fraction of the time to measure these trends. The data sample is not concrete enough for me to draw a decision.

I object to anyone on either side stating that I am for or against, i would like to see further debate and speculation of the "Facts"...not refutation and ignorance.

FACT - global warming exists

FACT - it is partly due to a natural process AND mans involvement according to the worlds leading climate experts

FACT - the only real debate remaining are those to refuse to accept the truth

FACT - the Drudge article takes factual information but PRESENTS them in an unfactual way. If you take into account all the things I keep posting but you keep ignoring, then Gores energy useage really isnt that extreme. Those things are the number of people who resided in his residence to use the energy. Again - GORE DIDN'T USE ALL THAT ENERGY HIMSELF.

FACT - every article used to bash Gore on this issue also mentioned that it was an OLD estate undergoing major renovation to install solar panels, tankless water heater, etc. I wonder how much juice construction efforts use?? No one takes that into account either though, do they??

Originally posted by LogansRun

Originally posted by grover
Hey Marg I pay about $40 a month for the small bungalow I rent. I replaced all my light bulbs with those coil shaped energy saving bulbs. I wrapped all the pipes and the hot water heater (gas) in insulation and I paid (not my landlord) to have the electric stove replaced with gas. I have a small greenhouse and grow a lot of my own vegetables and herbs, can what I can or buy bulk on the local farmers market and can it... I bicycled everywhere until my knee started giving out on me before buying my first internal combustion engine, a 1987 honda helix scooter that gets 70 mpg... I also recycle and compost.... and I still don't think I do enough.

Wow man, you put me to shame. We replaced all of our light bulbs with either flourescent or the curly ones, and we have gas heat, stove & water heater. I do drive however, something that I am going to try and do less - it doesn't help when you live far from where you work.......
I cant wait until they develop a truly efficient hydrogen vehicle - or electric for that matter....
I really want to start a small greenhouse in the back yard - just to grow some veggies and such.

I want a Segway myself . I have considered an electric scooter but the range is limited. I live a mile from downtown here so I am inner city as it were, an older suburb is more like it and I am semi retired, got some disability and work some as a graphic artist... I learned years ago that being poor doesn't mean you have to live poorly. Small 6x8 (my size) or 6x10 greenhouse can be gotten for less than $1,000. I paid $350 for mine but that was also 50% 0ff because someone had ordered it from our local home depot and never picked it up and they wanted to unload it.

maybe this is why he wants us to change, so it can balance out his extreme power use

Originally posted by they see ALL
maybe this is why he wants us to change, so it can balance out his extreme power use

You say that with a laugh, but I think there is truth in your words. There have been many examples throughout history of elitists - such as Gore - thinking they can make rules for the rest of us just as long as those same rules don't apply to the elitists. For, as enlightened ones, we are just supposed to accept that they alone know what's best for the rest of us. You can see them all around, such as gun control advocating congresswomen being escorted by bodyguards with guns, and climate control advocates driving around in SUV's that they would deny the rest of us, and animal protection advocates that kill lots of animals, etc.

[edit on 2/27/2007 by centurion1211]

Gore's big mistake is that he didn't personally go green before starting to preach about global warming. He didn't create a personal example for the rest of us to rally around.

Instead he criss-crossed the world in polluting jets, drove around in gas guzzling vehicles, burned through megawatts (yes, thousands of kilowatts = megawatts) of power at his personal residence, and from the looks of him, was on the "see food" diet (where if you see food, you eat it). He continued to live the life he said the rest of us no longer should.

Gore's crusade may have some merit, it's just that Gore is just about worst case as a standard bearer for that crusade.

[edit on 2/27/2007 by centurion1211]