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BBC News Reports Building 7 collapse 23 Minutes before it collapses.

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posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:17 PM
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I am about to leave for home now. Don't anyone go starting any conspiracy theories on why I left the forum all of a sudden. ;-)

Now would be the time to fix all that dis-info I have been spreading.




posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by etshrtslr



I don't understand what you are asking? You want an example of "controlled demolishion" from "fire"? Similar to WTC 7? I don't even know if anyone does control demolitions by fire.


I want an example of a steal frame building that collapsed from fire similar to those that have been brought down by controlled demolition.



Then you best get to hunting.
Good luck!



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:18 PM
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any way of getting anything from the aljazeera network archive

they broadcast anything



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Identified
Now would be the time to fix all that dis-info I have been spreading.


ACTUALY, now would be a good time for EVERYONE to get back on topic.


BBC News Reports Building 7 collapse 23 Minutes before it collapses.


Please focus your responses on the ACTUAL topic of discussion, the video.


Thank you.

p.s. QUOTING

[edit on 28-2-2007 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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Much of the material is written by these journalists and the rest comes from writers in the BBC's specialist units, covering everything from business and social affairs to foreign news. Many of the BBC's correspondents operating worldwide also contribute as well as those at BBC Monitoring. Non-BBC journalists are frequently commissioned by News Online to contribute.

The BBC Sport Online site, produced by BBC Sport, is fully integrated with BBC News Online, using the same technology and delivery platforms and edited in partnership.

A wide variety of sources is used in the preparation of material - including BBC News, BBC World Service and a large number of internationally-recognised news agencies. They include the Press Association, Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse.

News Sources

" Any content specified as Reuters content is the intellectual property of Reuters. Any copying, republication or redistribution of such Reuters content, including by cacheing, framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters and Reuters Sphere logo are trade marks and registered trade marks of the Reuters Group of companies around the world. The Reuters public website is accessible at - www.reuters.com...."



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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Has anyone found a press release or perhaps more on the source yet? Does anyone know who puts news onto the wire and does the BBC use the same wire as every other news outlet around the world?


I don't know how it works but maybe this could help.
en.wikipedia.org...

gotta go now.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by Identified

Originally posted by etshrtslr
I want an example of a steal frame building that collapsed from fire similar to those that have been brought down by controlled demolition.


Then you best get to hunting.
Good luck!


I cannot find any and if you could you would be the first on ATS to find such an example.


[edit: quote trimmed to relevant portion]

[edit on 28-2-2007 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:33 PM
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Can anybody find a video where a very tall building collapsed and its debris cause damage and fire to another building and that building collapsed. Thank you.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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the archives where the BBC video came from are they unique or does every station have there own?



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by tombangelta
the archives where the BBC video came from are they unique or does every station have there own?


It's a good thought, but I didn't hear anything back after I asked about this yesterday. What I suggested was go through every video (and possibly audio) broadcast and see when the WTC7 reports were for the other news outlets.

[edit on 28/2/2007 by Muppetus Galacticus]



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Identified
I don't know how it works but maybe this could help.
en.wikipedia.org...

gotta go now.


Safe journey home and thanks for the link. I didn't realize there were so many newswire services! Seeing as most (if not all) of the wires carry AP, Rueters, et al, that would mean all the news outlets would have seen the same flash, whichever wire they were using, correct? Unless of course it came from a lesser known source that is available on the wire.

Does anyone believe it would be worthwhile emailing the BBC and asking what newswire services they used in 2001? It would narrow down the sources who are on those specific ones.

So, the BBC World and News 24 channels said it had collapsed 23 minutes earlier (which doesn't surprise me if they were working off the same source), if we can find videos of the day from the likes of Fox etc (maybe even get some of the ATS members who can speak other languages to go through the French/German/etc feeds - it's a lot to ask, I know!) and see when they said it HAD collapsed (not MAY collapse like CNN), then it may help pointing to this being a piece of mis-reporting or something else entirely.

Then again, if everyone reported on WTC7 collapsing/collapsed then we might be going nowhere fast as that would sound like it was up on the wire(s).

So, any ideas how to find the original straight-from-the-horses-mouth source? Until we find out how the BBC got the info I don't see that happening, do you?

Anyway, I'm done, past my usual time for turning in so I hope I kept this last post coherent! Be good and be on topic



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:20 PM
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BBC looses original Tapes of the day!!!!

infowars.net...



it has come to light this week that the most pre-eminent broadcasting company in the world has lost the original recordings of its output for the entire day on September 11th 2001, just over five years on, yet no major news agency has even bothered to report the fact



This is absolutely a load of b.s and horse dung in large amounts.

First Google frantically censors the footage, now the BBC says they don't have it anymore.

I mean, please, please. This is b.s and most people will know this.


Then they go on to say this!!!



"We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another."




The reason NEWS 24 doesn't help, because it confirms the report was just before the collapse!

Sure it doesn't help The BBC, because they are simply lying through their teeth.

You know in much of the study of went on that day, I find myself trying to be open minded.

But this has gone to far.

Taking everything together, the reporters feed getting cut moments before collapse, the REPORT OF THE COLLAPSE BEFORE THE COLLAPSE just seems to much to believe it was all because some people looked at WTC 7 on fire and thought "JEE WIZ LOOKS LIKE ITS GOING TO COLLAPSE".

Everyone thought that about some other buildings that had a tremendous fire raging for days!

This is just beyond the measure of a good explanation. Somehow a source knew of the demolition to happen and reported it.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:30 PM
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Identified,

This is from another thread on ATS.

911research.wtc7.net...


Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.


I have asked this question several times on this thread and I have yet to get an answer.

If no other steal frame building in the history of the world has ever collapsed due to fire what lead anyone to believe on 9-11 that WTC 7 was going to collapse from fire?

At best you would see a partial collapse from the weakening of the steal located around the fire. But to have a universal symmetrical collapse in a controlled demolition fashion implies there was more energy added to cause the collapse.

What lead anyone anyone to believe that WTC 7 was going to collapse when even the Marriott building that was closer to WTC 1&2 and suffered much more damage as a result of the collapse of WTC 1&2 than WTC 7 did. And why did the Marriott not fully collapse in a controlled demolition fashion that WTC 7 did?

The damage of the Marriott was similar to what was provided in the link above. IE...partial collapse of the damaged structure.

So what caused WTC 7 to symmetrically collapse at free fall speed with a fraction of the damage that the Marriott building suffered?



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
Can anybody find a video where a very tall building collapsed and its debris cause damage and fire to another building and that building collapsed. Thank you.


I don't think this has ever happened.

Neither have any steel high-rises ever "burned down" or suffered any equivalent failure from fire, though there have been plenty of steel high-rise fires. And don't spit out impact damages because those didn't bring any of the three buildings down.

Fire does not cause steel structures to break and fall apart. Explosives do. The Cardington study completed in 2000 showed run-away failures in steel buildings are unrealistic, if not impossible.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by etshrtslr
Identified,

This is from another thread on ATS.

911research.wtc7.net...


Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.



You just repeated something that some other member has already posted, and the response is that those buildings have never faced the same situation where 2 big fast planes crashing into steel buildings, as well as debris from one of the towers slamming into another steel building.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

I don't think this has ever happened.

Neither have any steel high-rises ever "burned down" or suffered any equivalent failure from fire, though there have been plenty of steel high-rise fires. And don't spit out impact damages because those didn't bring any of the three buildings down.

Fire does not cause steel structures to break and fall apart. Explosives do. The Cardington study completed in 2000 showed run-away failures in steel buildings are unrealistic, if not impossible.


O yes, we all going to just get rid of the planes involvement on the towers destruction and just use the fire in context.



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:51 PM
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this is related.....media leviathan-american free press

hey, everyone. been doing other stuff lately. glad to see the good fight can go on without me.

[edit on 28-2-2007 by billybob]



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 06:56 PM
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im just searching through this site see if i can find anything

www.itnsource.com...



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by tombangelta
the archives where the BBC video came from are they unique or does every station have there own?


Well, they weren't BBC archives - they are from us.archive.org (see references in earlier posts here and also the list at this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And that archive is also where the CNN tape came from (I believe).

They may well have archives from other TV stations, but a lot of the files seem to be not available.

The BBC also have their own archives - but apparently lose important tapes by "cock up"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Or so they say????



posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 07:15 PM
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Hope this isn't deemed too off topic, but I was wondering how the fire(s) started in WTC7.

I was at a meeting earlier this week (in southern England) where William Rodriguez was meant to be speaking (but unfortunately had had to fly back to the US early because of a family emergency). Anyway, they showed a DVD of him speaking elsewhere.

If I remember correctly, he questioned why/how WTC7 got damaged so badly, saying it was not nearly as close to WTC1 & 2 as several other buildings (particularly the Millennium Hilton) which survived relatively unscathed. If that is true - and I don't know the geography of the area - could the fire(s) & damage in WTC7 have started from collapse of WTC1 & 2 when other nearer buildings were not severely damaged?

Maybe someone more familiar with NY could consider that.

My point is really whether the damage ("bulging corner" mentioned earlier) and fires could have been caused deliberately earlier in the day, hidden amongst the chaos of the day - and then later used as an excuse for the building either "collapsing" or being demolished. Because, if demolition was pre-planned, then it still needed an excuse.

If so, again the supposed collapse would have been foreknown and news sources might have unintentionally been informed too soon.

All suggestions but anything worth following up?
Specifically, when / how / why did this building get damaged and catch fire when others didn't?



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