Templar knights and Freemasons

For some years i have been very interested in the stories of the Templar Knights and have read up on quite a lot about them.

Recently i was invited to join the Masons which for some reason opened up my interst in the Templar Knights again??? I noticed that both mention each other when reading up on their history and i also noticed there would seem to be some connection within Rosslyn with regards to the carvings and symbols.

Is there a connection between these two groups. I know the Masons obviously still exsist but do the Knights still exsist??? There are many groups claiming to be the Templar Knights but funnily enough they all claim to denounce each other as the fake.

What is the connection between the 2 and if they still exsist who are the true Templar Knights.

I have not joined a lodge as of yet as i feel i need to finish my quest on studying the Templar Knights first.

Any info would be greatly appreciated

saint

Nobody knows for sure if the Templars were the founders of Masonry.
I tend to think they were but that is just my opinion. Born in Blood and some other books have convinced me of a link.

I know many Brothers who think it is just a legend.

You may want to study some of these:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Many of them are older writings, yet certainly not conventional.


The Anacalypsis, Arcane Schools, Isis Unveiled/The Secret Doctrine, Hargrave Jennings' Rosicrucians, Morals and Dogma, G.R.S. Mead's Thrice Greatest Hermes, Fragments of a faith forgotten: The Gnostics, a contibution to the study of the origins of Christianity, Eliphas Levi's Transcendental Magic and History of Magic, all come to mind...

The Knights Templar tradition has been incorporated to such a "degree" (heh..) that it is the ninth degree of York Rite Freemasonry. I notice your handle is "thesaint" like the show/movie with the main character named Simon Templar.

You know what i have never even thought about that. You just freaked me out big time!!!!!!!! My name is purely coincidental however as i have a strange urge to study Templar Knights lately that kinda spooked me out

Thanks LOL

double post

[edit on 26-2-2007 by thesaint]

From what I understand the original Templar Knights were the "good guys" and today the organisation sharing the same name is nothing of the same intention.

The Knights were sold out by both the Catholic Church (controlling the Aristocracy) and by the Knights of Malta who just happened, along with the church and King of France to aquire the fortunes of the Templars.

We saw next the true Templars go into hiding but later arose in that of the Sinclairs and among men like King James. But today the church controls the Templars and they are not much different than the Knights of Malta in their true intentions.

Im glad of that in a way thjough as they did seem like the good guys and it would have been a shame to have wiped them out. Rossalyn is a awe inspiring place to visit by the looks of it. so much hidden meanings within the buiding. Im gonna drive up this summer i think

Hello all I am new to ATS but I have some info to contribute to this topic. My father’s sides of the family have all been members of the Scottish rites of freemasonry since the family’s beginnings. In fact, the tradition stops with me. What I can tell you is that freemasonry does get it background from the Knights Templar and Hiram Abiff. The knights Templar were commissioned to protect the treasures that were amassed during the crusades in the Middle East. Some have argued that the treasure was not gold, or silver but a bloodline. That bloodline is the decedents of Jesus Christ. There are many documentaries that say this and say that. Nevertheless, it is believed that Jesus had a son with Mary Magdalene. The knights were tasked with protecting the secret. The then King of France turned on the knights and they were split up. They then became the Knights of the Scottish rights of freemasonry.

In addition, I read in this thread that someone was approached to join freemasonry. It is in fact forbidden in freemasonry to solicit non-members to join. One has to approach a mason member in order for the masons to vote on whether you are a fit or not. In addition, the main prerequisite for becoming a member is that you believe in a higher power of some kind. Free masonry does not discriminate when it comes to religion you must have faith in some sort of higher power. Free masonry is however segregated racially.

All I can say peeps

Gee out

You would be correct the templar were good and freemasonry today does great things as well. Have you ever heard of the Shriner's Children’s hospitals? Freemasonry bank rolls those hospitals and contributes allot of money to those causes. Freemasonry gets a bad rape because of its secrecies. People just cannot help creating bad publicity for things they do not understand or things they can get info about. Secret rulers of the world maybe but I think not. You want to know who runs the world, look at the banks and major corporations for that answer as well as the richest people on earth and you will know who makes policy and who runs the world.


Thx

G

Originally posted by sweftl337
From what I understand the original Templar Knights were the "good guys" and today the organisation sharing the same name is nothing of the same intention.

From what I've learned, the physical organization known as the Knights Templar degenerated long ago; however, the Brethren of the Temple and Lords of Karma still operate from the Superior Worlds in order to assist suffering sentient beings.

Sacred Order of Tibet

The genuine depository of the royal treasury of Aryabarta.

Formed by 201 members, with its major rank formed by 72 Brahmans. The ancient organization is led by Bhagavan Aclaiva.

The Holy Eight and the Frontal Chakra

The Great Master, Knight of the Holy Grail, Prince of Jerusalem and Guardian of the Temple, Hilariux IX stated that by repetitively tracing the sign of the Infinite fixed on the Frontal Chakra and meditating on the Sacred Order of Tibet, the esotericist student will consciously "project" his Self or will be projected in his Astral Body into the Astral Plane. Thus, eventually, the student will consciously present himself at the temple of the Sacred Order of Tibet, and after being submitted to numerous Ordeals, the magnificent "Arcanum A.Z.F." is delivered from "mouth to ear" to him.

(F + A = C)

F + A = C, means: Fire plus Aqua (water) is equal to Consciousness. Indeed, the Fire and the Water of the Ninth Sphere (Sex), as instrument of Sanctification, have the power to awaken the student’s consciousness within the Internal Worlds...

Arcanum 11

...Regeneration signifies the creation of a new cosmos within us. This type of creation is possible only by working with the Lion of Fire. Uranus controls the chakras of the sexual glands, yet the schools of regeneration are Neptunian. Buddhist White Tantrism, Chinese Taoism and the Legitimate Tibetan Yogas, practice the Arcanum A.Z.F. Only the Infrasexual Pseudo-Yogis and Yoginis (that are so abundant in America and Asia) hate the Arcanum A.Z.F. Chinese Alchemy is the foundation of the authentic schools of Yoga. The Yellow Lodges(Gelug-Pa) are Schools of Regeneration. Infrasexual people mortally hate the Schools of Regeneration...

...Eminent Astrologers affirm that Neptune influences the Pineal Gland; the potency of the pineal gland depends on the sexual potency. Great Schools of Regeneration have existed through the course of history (it is enough for us to remember the Rosicrucian Alchemical School that became secret in the year 1620).

Likewise, it comes into our memory the schools of Aryavarta Ashrama of Tibet, as well as the Sect of the Manicheans of Persian origin, and the famous Sufis with their sacred dances, the Templars, etc. All of these were schools of Regeneration; the "Coitus Reservatus" is practiced in all of them.

The schools of Regeneration constitute the Golden Chain of the White Lodge...

Thelema-Press:






AGEAC:






Sivananda Aryabarta Ashrama:






AGLA (American Gnostic Liberation Action):






ALAS(South American Liberation Action):








POSCLA: Latin-American Christian Socialist Party

The Aquarian Message

You are not alone. We profoundly love you and when you are walking on the Path of the
Razor’s Edge you will be assisted by the Brothers of the Temple.

AGLA (American Gnostic Liberation Action) is constituted by the triangle ALAS-Gnosis
Sivananda Aryabarta Ahsrama.

These are three powerful united movements that propagate Gnosis. They teach the Gnostic
esoterism of our adorable Saviour of the world throughout the world.

If after reading this book you wish to enter AGLA you must write to us. Not a single
letter will remain without answer. AGLA is formed by millions of people in the West, as
well as in the East.

AGLA is forming the World Salvation Army.

The Supreme Chief of AGLA is Jesus Christ. Let it be known beloved brothers and sisters
that Jesus the Christ is alive.

Jesus Christ resurrected on the third day with his body of flesh and bone and he still lives
with this same body in Shamballa.

The Secret country of Shamballa is in the Orient, in Tibet. The Master Jesus has a temple
there. Other Masters live with him who have also resurrected and who have kept their
bodies over the many ages of time.

The adorable Master Jesus the Christ has been very active and has worked intensely by
helping this poor, suffering humanity. He is the chief of the Gnostic Movement. He is the
Supreme Hierarch of AGLA.

[edit on 28-2-2007 by Tamahu]

Well said Tamahu! And did you know that AMORC is the head lodge of the Martinists? The Martinists are in fact the illuminati of today; for those that claim the Bavarian Illuminati are still around are fooling themselves but those who speak of the illuminati today know much better.

The Illuminati of the Black Lodge of today that is.

Samael Aun Weor wrote many times, that the AMORC and the teachings of Papus are the antithesis of the groups mentioned in my previous post.

One of Samael Aun Weor's teachers Huiracocha(Dr. Arnold Krumm-Heller(FRA)), from what I've learned, eventually distanced himself from Papus and the AMORC.

Huiracocha was also, later on, more sympathetic toward the FRC who referred to Aleister Crowley's teachings as Black Magic.

Which means that after having associated with A. Crowley, Huiracocha must have eventually became aware of A. Crowley's later Hanasmuss shenanigans.





[edit on 28-2-2007 by Tamahu]

Samael Aun Weor seems very wise and I'll have to investigate his teachings. The Martinists are essentially working for the Knights of Malta and the K.O.M, report back to the Monseniors who also sit very comfortably with the Rabbis in the inner circle directing all the various Satanic entities today including the OTO and other mostly irregular lodges.

I find it odd how Masons quickly point out that many of these evil one's are not part of any "regular" lodge, yet fail to inquire why they do not mind being betrayed by their Brothers who are indeed members of not only regular lodges, but also the "irregular" lodges! For an example, most initiated into the Monti Carlo Lodge know very well that G .HW. Bush is also mamber.

As it is also that since the council of Vienna in thr early 1800's that those who sit very well together are both Jesuits and Freemasons, sharing degrees in both; which should normally be prohibited.

Originally posted by sweftl337

I find it odd how Masons quickly point out that many of these evil one's are not part of any "regular" lodge, yet fail to inquire why they do not mind being betrayed by their Brothers who are indeed members of not only regular lodges, but also the "irregular" lodges! For an example, most initiated into the Monti Carlo Lodge know very well that G .HW. Bush is also mamber.

As it is also that since the council of Vienna in thr early 1800's that those who sit very well together are both Jesuits and Freemasons, sharing degrees in both; which should normally be prohibited.

Right.. the "black lodge" .. again.. thank you Tamuh.

Please explain in detail exactly how any Masons has been "betrayed" by any one, especially someone in an irregular lodge which you claim to be the .. "black lodge"?

By the way, the last President to have any affiliation with Masons was Reagan, the Bushes are not Masons.

I would take anything that Tamuh says with a grain of salt, they are most far fetched ideas.

Aside from that, it is possible that remnants of the Knights Templar founded, or at least helped found the first lodges in Masonry, but it is unknown as there is no proof. Some suspect that the Knights Templar navy went to piracy for revenge, basing them selves in Scotland, which may explain some symbology, maybe not, no one knows. There are similarities, there are differences. I personally think the Knight Templar helped found Masonry, though Masonry is not based solely off of the Templar but perhaps a collage of various beliefs, including Templar practices, Christian aspects, Protestant aspects, perhaps even Druid aspects.. no one know, there are few records. From what records there are, we can guess Masonry was a little different then it is today, in 1717 the official standard so to say was established and set as a guide line for other lodges, hence it being called the grand lodge.

Or perhaps Masonry is the product of the Age of Enlightenment. It depends on what presented evidence you believe to be truthful and reliable, I like the Templar version as it is more romantic, and guessing from history is a more likely choice then other options.. in 1717 there was already a strong base of followers, so surly Masonry is older.. but no one EXACTLY how old, nor its origins..

Originally posted by sweftl337
From what I understand the original Templar Knights were the "good guys" and today the organisation sharing the same name is nothing of the same intention.

Well, I too have always been under that assumption. The "church" seems to have demonized them because they had a bit of a different view of things than the "church" did.

Reagan was also a Catholic. G HW Bush is a Mason and you may ask the Brothers at the P2 Lodge and Monti Carlo to clear this up for you. Bush meets them as "Brothers by Ear" very often. King James himself was a Templar Knight and a Freemason but he accidently caused the war by his attempting to restore a relationship between the church and those who were affilaited in opposition to Jesuitism.

And what I find far fetched are mainstream ideas - not that of Tamahu's opinions or his sharing of another adepts' view. All critical observers should take things with a grain of salt.




[edit on 28-2-2007 by sweftl337]

Is it not the case the reason the church chased them was that the Knights Templar changed the wording of the Order they received to suit their needs?

Rotator,

When the Templars were being tortured, they envisioned within the astral the entity known as Bahomet. This entity appeared to the tortured Knights as the opposer to truth and they saw these horrible visions as they suffered greatly. The Church Fathers knew this very well (being themselves black adepts) and thus proceeded to use this Bahomet myth to their advantage.

The Templars carried forth a closer form of true spiritual Christianity then did anyone else at that time other than the Manicheans - after the murder of the Cathars, and until the early Rosicrucian’s appeared later and were united with both Freemasonry and the Protestants. The Templars had some slight corruption due to the Arabian influences but they remained true unlike the church and Kings of Aristocracy who were initiated into the ritual of Gold.

But the Templar Knights today are nothing less than Satanists and they have bastardized the good names of De'Molay and the others by attempting to lay claim to their historical roots. For these very evil ones who claim connections today were also related to those forces, which betrayed the true Templar Knights.

[edit on 28-2-2007 by sweftl337]

Did they change the wording of the Order to suit their needs?