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Why There Were No Helicopter Rescues At The WTC’s On 9-11

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posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 10:28 AM
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There are a few who got out from the high floors because they left right away. My wifes friend had windows come shattering in, covering the bag she was carrying in daggers of glass. She got out. Had to crawl in places - but she got out.




posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 10:35 AM
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Dear CameronFox:

For once I agree with you. I advise that everyone watch the YouTube video deltaboy posted earlier. Nothing supports the validity of >>Why There Were No Helicopter Rescues At The WTC’s On 9-11



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear CameronFox:

For once I agree with you. I advise that everyone watch the YouTube video deltaboy posted earlier. Nothing supports the validity of >>Why There Were No Helicopter Rescues At The WTC’s On 9-11



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 01:20 PM
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Dear CameronFox:

I have the same question AnAbsoluteCreation recently asked you, “If you do not mind, what do you believe happened on 9/11?”. And we’ll be glad to give you plenty of time to check with your “superiors” what you are supposed to say.

If the 9-11 commission was a “joke” as you say it is, then why do you keep referring to their findings. You send enough mixed messages to make a lie detector blow a fuse.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 01:35 PM
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Not sure if you're just trying to get people to respond so you can get more points...I for one will just sit back and LAUGH at you ...as so many in here do.



Personally, I believe that this statement is more of a reflection of the way that your mind works, rather than a reflection on the Wizard!

[edit on 25-2-2007 by deessell]

[edit on 25-2-2007 by deessell]



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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if nothing else,
a helicopter could have dropped dozens of hang-gliders or those delta-sail parachutes onto the roof (where no-body was seen up till that time)

and desperately trapped victims, if any made it to the roof, could strap
one on even if they've never base-jumped before and descend to relative safety. (since all the other preventative measures and rescue options were circumvented)

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the roof doors are made to keep people from accessing the roof area
not for keeping people from entering the stairwells of the building

i believe those fire axes in the fire hose boxes found in 1940s era building
hallways were long ago taken away because they poised more of a threat from ax weilding deranged socio-paths, than the benefits derived from a need to ax open a roof top door to be able to get rescued by a helicopter.


all-in-all, helicopters were't used because that sorta predicament was never envisioned to happen. being prepared is a much layered topic



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio

the roof doors are made to keep people from accessing the roof area


Surely roof doors are made for the purpose of accessing the roof?



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by deessell


Not sure if you're just trying to get people to respond so you can get more points...I for one will just sit back and LAUGH at you ...as so many in here do.



Personally, I believe that this statement is more of a reflection of the way that your mind works, rather than a reflection on the Wizard!

[edit on 25-2-2007 by deessell]

[edit on 25-2-2007 by deessell]


Since this is a statement from you I will respond... Im all done with Wizard and his scum.

Look at ANY of my threads... I post info i feel is relevant and factual... I do make mistakes and then I correct them as evidence is given.



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 08:10 PM
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Dear Everybody, especially Dearest CameronFox!

One of the 9-11 truth sites mentions woodstoves as an example of how steel doesn’t fail under exposure to hydrocarbon fires, no matter how massive. The analogy of a steel woodstove strikes me as a monumental one relating to the WTC buildings (1,2,7 and the often forgotten number 6). It should be forever symbolic of the ridiculousness of the fires-caused-the-collapses notion.



Moreover, relating to the title of this thread and why as few witnesses as possible were to remain alive, I am showing an excerpt of the famous (final) radio communication with fire battalion chief Orio Palmer. When he reached the 78th floor of the south tower (WTC-2) he reported via his radio “two isolated pockets of fire”. Eleven minutes later, they pulled the building, err, I mean eleven minutes later the south tower collapsed, half an hour BEFORE the north tower (WTC-1) came tumbling down — which had been hit FIRST.

Here's a transcript of a portion of the radio communication with Chief Palmer:

Battalion 7 Chief: Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-40 Code Ones.
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Ladder 15: Floor 78?

Battalion 7 Chief: Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here.
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Battalion 7 Chief: I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam, stairway to knock down two fires. We have house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay.

What I’m implying here is that the orchestrators of 9-11 had to respond quickly and hustle into action once chief Palmer reached the ‘damaged’ area of the building. He would have been about to discover all sorts of abnormalities and surprises. Had he stumbled across one single ‘smoke machine’, I so boldly suggest were spewing out clouds of fog-oil, then the whole attack-on-America-arrangement would have been ‘found out’, right there and then.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 08:27 PM
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9:52 a.m.

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha."

"Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."

Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way."


www.thememoryhole.org...

Those like the creator of this thread love to pull things out of their behinds.

A little research would show the 78th floor was the LOWEST of the effected floor. It appears Palmer did only see “two isolated pockets of fire” at this point, although whether there may have been fire elsewhere on the floor isn’t clear. So does this prove the fires were much weaker than Wizard claimed? Well, no. Not even close.

Palmer actually arrived 45 mins post impact when upper later temperatures were observed. At this time floor 78 had the LOWEST temperatures of ALL impacted floors.

Once agian this DisINFO Agent loves to spew lie after lie.

Keep it up Wizard...your lies just make it so easy to show how much of a warped idiot you are.

Edit For Spelling

[edit on 25-2-2007 by CameronFox]



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 08:48 PM
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Dear CameronFox:

Thanks for printing up a more complete version of the radio communication with chief Orio Palmer. You may have missed the importance of the fire brigade’s arrival at the 78th floor. I. e. they were about to enter the “crime scene”. This is why they needed to be silenced, but quickly.

And, the woodstove is supposed to illustrate that no matter how blazingly hot the fires might have been burning (which they visibly weren’t), it would have had no effect on the structural integrity of the buildings.

As always, good to hear from you!

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear CameronFox:

Thanks for printing up a more complete version of the radio communication with chief Orio Palmer. You may have missed the importance of the fire brigade’s arrival at the 78th floor. I. e. they were about to enter the “crime scene”. This is why they needed to be silenced, but quickly.

And, the woodstove is supposed to illustrate that no matter how blazingly hot the fires might have been burning (which they visibly weren’t), it would have had no effect on the structural integrity of the buildings.

As always, good to hear from you!

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



I find it quite interesting that you failed to mention in your quote that at the "Crime scene" there were many injured or dead.

"78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones"

You live in some delusional fantasy world with Space Beams and Holograms.... get you can't grasp that their were REAL people in there that died. You even TRIED to disprove THAT for flight 77 ...becasue some of the names were missing from a death list website.


This is steel from ( i believe ) WTC5 ...buckled steel from a furniture fire only.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 07:45 AM
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forestlady: im not aware of anyone keeping small explosives on hand for the purpose of blowing open closed doors in high rise office buildings. even the military prefers a 12g to C4 when it comes to breeching doors (except in movies)

Wizard: ive stated many times that i spent 5 years as a combat engineer which is where i got most of my explosives training. however ive also posted that i spent an additional 5 years as a chem bio defense guy (NBC NCO to you military types 54B) and ive used these smoke generators you speak of. its part of a NBC specialists training.

the smoke machines are roughly the size of a U-Haul trailer (a smaller but you get the idea) and are actually pulled behind a truck or hummer to where they will be deployed. so you are suggesting that a machine the size of a trailer was placed on an upper floor of the wtc without anyone noticing? also, id like to point out that it would hav actually taken several men (women) and several units to employ these devices. they have gas engines and i am guessing someone may have noticed.

another point on the smoke machines is that they generate white smoke. not sure how that fits with your theories but its true.

not going to try to convince you thats not what happened. just figured you could use some factual data for your theory. what you do with that data is up to you.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 08:42 AM
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Hi Wizard, I'm afraid that some members here dont want to here the truth of what went on that day. They are happy to be spoon fed the lies of the official line. And not content with that they enforce those lies and make excuses.

In every tragedy or accident brave people do brave things, they do not sit around on their bums waiting for some one to think for them. The fact that no attempt was made to rescue people from the rooftops smacks of cover up and emergency services told to stand down to stand down.

I have never heard so many excuses, we did not have the gear, their was nowhere to land, the heat the smoke, all crap, I dont know how many times I have seen people rescued by helicopter from burning buildings, burning ships etc. Rescue Pilots have amazing skills and commit great acts of bravery, this was completly absent on that day.

Its like America stood still, no Helicopters, no fighter jets, training exercises add to the cover up. One sincerely hopes that if America was actually attacked by terrorists that America will protect its people better.

And for those who talk of the memory of those pour souls that died that day I say this, THE GREATEST JESTURE YOU CAN MAKE TO THESE PEOPLE IS TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH, THE REAL TRUTH, THAT WOULD BE A FITTING MEMORIAL FOR THEM.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by DamoclesWizard: ive stated many times that i spent 5 years as a combat engineer which is where i got most of my explosives training. however ive also posted that i spent an additional 5 years as a chem bio defense guy (NBC NCO to you military types 54B) and ive used these smoke generators you speak of. its part of a NBC specialists training.

the smoke machines are roughly the size of a U-Haul trailer ... so you are suggesting that a machine the size of a trailer was placed on an upper floor of the wtc without anyone noticing?...
another point on the smoke machines is that they generate white smoke. not sure how that fits with your theories but its true.


Dear Damocles:

I’m glad to hear that you only had to train in white smoke — because the black smoke can be very toxic (as in causing people to jump out of buildings). Undoubtedly, you can imagine that technically speaking, smoke can easily be generated in any color and consistency — purple with pink polka dots if required. And naturally, the smoke machines come in all shapes and sizes. And most of them are quite portable.


Off the shelf available portable smoke generator


Standard black smoke cartridge — for ‘non-existent’ black smoke. Filled with premium-quality, maximum-density, zero-visibility smoke fluid!


Commercially mass-produced Naphthalene IED Simulator — look familiar?

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 10:20 AM
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911research.wtc7.net...




And much has been made of the fact that a police helicopter radioed a warning at 10:07 a.m. on 9/11, shortly after the collapse of the south tower, a warning that the north tower was in imminent danger of collapse. The New York Times, in one of a series of in-depth stories based on Oral History interviews of rescue workers that the newspaper was able to obtain, led its account with the warning from the NYPD helicopter shortly after the south tower fell and 21 minutes before the second building came down. The Times estimated there were 121 firefighters still in the north tower, none of whom heard the police radio warning and all of whom died.

The police helicopter warning has become the focus of all the What Went Wrong stories since. But in the same July 7 story, down in the middle of its massive account, The Times reported that a high-ranking chief of the FDNY radioed an evacuation order to all firefighters in the north tower at 9:32 a.m., after he felt the building move and saw the structure buckling and the windows breaking all around him in the lobby. That was 27 minutes before the south tower fell, 35 minutes before the police helicopter warning that the north tower was certain to go, and a full 56 minutes before the north tower collapsed.

But hundreds of firefighters in the floors above never heard the Staff Chief’s radio command on their own radios, nor did they hear any of the frantic calls to evacuate that followed. And with 27 minutes still left before the first collapse, no one in the south tower heard his evacuation order either. The FDNY radios, the same ones that failed at the WTC in 1993, failed again at the same place eight years later. They couldn’t be heard on the floors above, they couldn’t be heard on the floors below, and they couldn’t be heard from one WTC lobby to the other. The Times has unintentionally done history a disservice with its emphasis on a 10:07 a.m. radio warning from a police helicopter. The emphasis should have been on a 9:32 a.m. order by Staff Chief Joseph Callan to his firefighters to "come down to the lobby, everyone down to the lobby." No one knows how many more times the Fire Department lobby command center repeated those evacuation orders on their worthless, useless radios that morning. We only know that too many firefighters on the floors above never heard the commands.



Read the 9/11 commision report, and it will explain why poor equipment, and non preparedness and the factor of safety were reasons people died and there was no rooftop rescue. The NYPD and FDNY do not use the same frequency, and could not warn each other. It was clusterF**k. The NYPD is supposed to ferry the FDNY in the case of such events.

It enrages me when you people sit here and act like they did not do all they could, or that that secrataries would have explosives to go through locked doors.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 10:54 AM
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Dear estad71:

Of course I didn’t read the 9-11 commission report. Why would I? I don’t have time to sore my eyes with such gobbledy-gook. It was authored under the auspices of those who arranged 9-11. Therefore it must be biased by design, favoring/repeating the ‘official’ version of events. But I mean that’s o.k. It’s your legitimate right to subscribe to the lawfully authorized accounts of 9-11. You present your side of the story and us ‘CTers’ will present ours. Some might find one viewpoint more convincing than the other. That’s what these forums are all about.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 11:01 AM
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Can you give a REAL explanation why it is drivel? I mean, you do know how it punches holes in the "official" story and how it actually explains that this people are real, and not some CIA fantasy?

You see, to be effective, one must know both sides of a story, and must have their own view. You must know the tactics of others, the shortcomings and the strengths.

So far, you sound like a spokesman for the CT'ers however you offer no type of proof or reasons as to why there was no rescue other than "people needed to die".

Are you capable of a unique thought that can propel your theory or are you jsut hitting foul balls when someone questions you?

THere is a large section of that report that deals with what you are talking about, and if you do not believe it, then you are caling those men who testified within it liars.

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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 11:13 AM
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i honestly don't understand how holograms, smoke generators and whatnot belong into a thread about absent rescue attempts. it's like shooting yourself in the foot, i've heard and read tons over tons of material, covering these 'theories', which is essentially unreliable by nature:

what do you think would be easier to pull off? holographic planes or planting grainy video footage with missing wings a few years later ? i watched the 2nd attack live (no more than a few seconds off i mean) on TV, even saw the plane buzz by before its final turn, so you should understand that i for one will not be convinced by _any_ amount of digital video clips surfacing half a decade later because they are as trustworthy as cartoons, basically.

i mean don't some of you remember 9/11 ? don't you remember that the north tower's top was engulfed in smoke but wtc#2's wasn't? can't you remember that they had more than half an hour to check the situation, send someone with an explosive package to open the doors and then start a rescue operation with all available helos? they could have saved hundreds of people, obviously. why noone went up there is a mystery to me, because private chopper operators surely had the capabilities to just go there and flight rules be damned, so somehow they managed to strictly enforce a no-fly zone. would be cool to have this supposition confimed, imho.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by esdad71
Can you give a REAL explanation why it is drivel? I mean, you do know how it punches holes in the "official" story and how it actually explains that this people are real, and not some CIA fantasy?


Dear esdad71:

Sure I can give you a solid explanation why the 9-11 commission report is gibberish.
Let me start out by listing some ‘facts’. I’ve already posted this on the SkepticOverloard’s 250,000 point competition thread, but there’s no harm in showing it again.

Top Five Reasons 9-11 Was Staged

1. President George Bush didn’t look surprised when ‘first’ told about 9-11 in Florida classroom.
2. No helicopter rescue attempts were allowed at WTC buildings.
3. Twin towers erupted volcano-style like roman candles. A gravitational collapse pulls things down, not up, not sideways and most certainly does not turn solids into ‘dust’.
4. Cell phone calls from flights were impossible in 2001. Also, Ted Olson claims his estranged wife Barbara Olson called him ‘collect’ from an in-flight phone which can only be activated with a credit card (which he claims she did not have, that’s why he said she called collect!)
5. Why again did WTC-7 ‘collapse’ (and WTC-6 blow up?)??

Each and every one of these reasons can be verified directly by all of us — layperson and expert alike. These five points did indeed happen, therefore they are ‘facts’. Now it’s open to discussion how and why these occurrences came to pass on 9-11.

I can safely assume that the famed 9-11 commission report does not convincingly explain:

1..Why the president was allowed to sit in the classroom during a catastrophic crisis (Answer: Because 9-11was a scheduled event unfolding as planned)
2. Why there were no helicopter rescue attempts at the WTC (Answer: Because no witnesses were allowed to survive the “crime scene”)
3. Why WTC-1 and WTC-2 turned into powder.
4. How Barbara Olsen called collect from flight AA77 to claim there were highjackers with box-cutters on board. Note: The only reason why we ‘know’ the flights were highjacked is because of her testimony and the other (impossible) calls coming from cell-phones. There was NO communicating with the pilots!
5. Why WTC-7 and 6 crumbled into nothing.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods



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