Why There Were No Helicopter Rescues At The WTC’s On 9-11, page 3
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reply posted on 25-2-2007 @ 08:10 PM by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Everybody, especially Dearest CameronFox!

One of the 9-11 truth sites mentions woodstoves as an example of how steel doesn’t fail under exposure to hydrocarbon fires, no matter how massive. The analogy of a steel woodstove strikes me as a monumental one relating to the WTC buildings (1,2,7 and the often forgotten number 6). It should be forever symbolic of the ridiculousness of the fires-caused-the-collapses notion.



Moreover, relating to the title of this thread and why as few witnesses as possible were to remain alive, I am showing an excerpt of the famous (final) radio communication with fire battalion chief Orio Palmer. When he reached the 78th floor of the south tower (WTC-2) he reported via his radio “two isolated pockets of fire”. Eleven minutes later, they pulled the building, err, I mean eleven minutes later the south tower collapsed, half an hour BEFORE the north tower (WTC-1) came tumbling down — which had been hit FIRST.

Here's a transcript of a portion of the radio communication with Chief Palmer:

Battalion 7 Chief: Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-40 Code Ones.
...
Ladder 15: Floor 78?

Battalion 7 Chief: Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here.
...
Battalion 7 Chief: I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam, stairway to knock down two fires. We have house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay.

What I’m implying here is that the orchestrators of 9-11 had to respond quickly and hustle into action once chief Palmer reached the ‘damaged’ area of the building. He would have been about to discover all sorts of abnormalities and surprises. Had he stumbled across one single ‘smoke machine’, I so boldly suggest were spewing out clouds of fog-oil, then the whole attack-on-America-arrangement would have been ‘found out’, right there and then.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods


reply posted on 25-2-2007 @ 08:27 PM by CameronFox
9:52 a.m.

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha."

"Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"

Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."

Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way."


www.thememoryhole.org...

Those like the creator of this thread love to pull things out of their behinds.

A little research would show the 78th floor was the LOWEST of the effected floor. It appears Palmer did only see “two isolated pockets of fire” at this point, although whether there may have been fire elsewhere on the floor isn’t clear. So does this prove the fires were much weaker than Wizard claimed? Well, no. Not even close.

Palmer actually arrived 45 mins post impact when upper later temperatures were observed. At this time floor 78 had the LOWEST temperatures of ALL impacted floors.

Once agian this DisINFO Agent loves to spew lie after lie.

Keep it up Wizard...your lies just make it so easy to show how much of a warped idiot you are.

Edit For Spelling

[edit on 25-2-2007 by CameronFox]


reply posted on 26-2-2007 @ 10:20 AM by esdad71
911research.wtc7.net...



And much has been made of the fact that a police helicopter radioed a warning at 10:07 a.m. on 9/11, shortly after the collapse of the south tower, a warning that the north tower was in imminent danger of collapse. The New York Times, in one of a series of in-depth stories based on Oral History interviews of rescue workers that the newspaper was able to obtain, led its account with the warning from the NYPD helicopter shortly after the south tower fell and 21 minutes before the second building came down. The Times estimated there were 121 firefighters still in the north tower, none of whom heard the police radio warning and all of whom died.

The police helicopter warning has become the focus of all the What Went Wrong stories since. But in the same July 7 story, down in the middle of its massive account, The Times reported that a high-ranking chief of the FDNY radioed an evacuation order to all firefighters in the north tower at 9:32 a.m., after he felt the building move and saw the structure buckling and the windows breaking all around him in the lobby. That was 27 minutes before the south tower fell, 35 minutes before the police helicopter warning that the north tower was certain to go, and a full 56 minutes before the north tower collapsed.

But hundreds of firefighters in the floors above never heard the Staff Chief’s radio command on their own radios, nor did they hear any of the frantic calls to evacuate that followed. And with 27 minutes still left before the first collapse, no one in the south tower heard his evacuation order either. The FDNY radios, the same ones that failed at the WTC in 1993, failed again at the same place eight years later. They couldn’t be heard on the floors above, they couldn’t be heard on the floors below, and they couldn’t be heard from one WTC lobby to the other. The Times has unintentionally done history a disservice with its emphasis on a 10:07 a.m. radio warning from a police helicopter. The emphasis should have been on a 9:32 a.m. order by Staff Chief Joseph Callan to his firefighters to "come down to the lobby, everyone down to the lobby." No one knows how many more times the Fire Department lobby command center repeated those evacuation orders on their worthless, useless radios that morning. We only know that too many firefighters on the floors above never heard the commands.



Read the 9/11 commision report, and it will explain why poor equipment, and non preparedness and the factor of safety were reasons people died and there was no rooftop rescue. The NYPD and FDNY do not use the same frequency, and could not warn each other. It was clusterF**k. The NYPD is supposed to ferry the FDNY in the case of such events.

It enrages me when you people sit here and act like they did not do all they could, or that that secrataries would have explosives to go through locked doors.


reply posted on 26-2-2007 @ 11:51 AM by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Originally posted by esdad71
Can you give a REAL explanation why it is drivel? I mean, you do know how it punches holes in the "official" story and how it actually explains that this people are real, and not some CIA fantasy?


Dear esdad71:

Sure I can give you a solid explanation why the 9-11 commission report is gibberish.
Let me start out by listing some ‘facts’. I’ve already posted this on the SkepticOverloard’s 250,000 point competition thread, but there’s no harm in showing it again.

Top Five Reasons 9-11 Was Staged

1. President George Bush didn’t look surprised when ‘first’ told about 9-11 in Florida classroom.
2. No helicopter rescue attempts were allowed at WTC buildings.
3. Twin towers erupted volcano-style like roman candles. A gravitational collapse pulls things down, not up, not sideways and most certainly does not turn solids into ‘dust’.
4. Cell phone calls from flights were impossible in 2001. Also, Ted Olson claims his estranged wife Barbara Olson called him ‘collect’ from an in-flight phone which can only be activated with a credit card (which he claims she did not have, that’s why he said she called collect!)
5. Why again did WTC-7 ‘collapse’ (and WTC-6 blow up?)??

Each and every one of these reasons can be verified directly by all of us — layperson and expert alike. These five points did indeed happen, therefore they are ‘facts’. Now it’s open to discussion how and why these occurrences came to pass on 9-11.

I can safely assume that the famed 9-11 commission report does not convincingly explain:

1..Why the president was allowed to sit in the classroom during a catastrophic crisis (Answer: Because 9-11was a scheduled event unfolding as planned)
2. Why there were no helicopter rescue attempts at the WTC (Answer: Because no witnesses were allowed to survive the “crime scene”)
3. Why WTC-1 and WTC-2 turned into powder.
4. How Barbara Olsen called collect from flight AA77 to claim there were highjackers with box-cutters on board. Note: The only reason why we ‘know’ the flights were highjacked is because of her testimony and the other (impossible) calls coming from cell-phones. There was NO communicating with the pilots!
5. Why WTC-7 and 6 crumbled into nothing.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods
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