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posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 01:42 PM
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"GOD": Why would an all powerful, omnipotent being demand worship? Hell: This place was made up to scare people long ago into doing what their "rulers" said as well as enforce laws. Angels: In the old testament, angels commonly bore children to human women. They also accepted human food. Around 600AD angels were written as "etheral" beings. "Etheral" beings wouldn't/couldn't do either of these things. There is more evidence saying that angels were a species of extra-terrestrials, look at how many world religions depict beings with wings. Obvious Shams (needing no explanation if you're familiar with them): Mormonism, Scientology, Raelians... Now any religion that believes in inanimate "spirits"(ie river, mountain, wind, rocks, etc...): all this is completely stupid! New Age beliefs: I have heard some say water is alive. WATER IS ALIVE!!! What moron would believe that. Is gasoline alive? What about alcohol? Pancake syrup??? Indigo Children: I have been told I was one, and information describing the signs support this. But take it from me, loads of crap!!! There are no "extra DNA strands". It is all a fabricated lie that is being perpetuated by most of the "kids" parents, who have never done anything "great" in their lives and see this as an oppurtunity to feel special themselves. This is for all you Bible thumpers out there. Evolution is a proven fact. If you don't agree, I have one question for you. DO YOU BELIEVE IN DOGS? Selective breeding is a form of evolution. I'd like to finish up with saying science is the only proven "religion" (though some things in science may be false now, they will one day be corrected). Also, Sylvia Browne is a fake! Who can't see through her lies?




posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 02:27 PM
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WOW, I bet you feel better now that you've got that off your chest.
I wouldn't be to optomistic in getting people to change thier beliefs though,
All the best anyway.
Jon1



posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 06:12 PM
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You can't disprove religion any more than you can disprove the existence of Aliens.

My friends who are religious tell me that its all about faith. They believe that there is something more than this and that is all you need for religion.
If you ask a UFOlogist why they believe in aliens, they will tell you a lot of numbers about the likelihood of intelligent beings elsewhere in the galaxy, but its still just faith. We know nothing about space, as we know nothing about God, but those who believe in Him/Her/It/Them know that (for them) its real.



posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 08:20 PM
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I'm not saying a "creator" spirit or force doesn't exist. I'm just stating how one would never force it's creation to worship "it". And I understand most religious fanatics will never give up their beliefs. Some people need to believe that someone is looking out for them. Most of these people (not all of them) have deep rooted insecurities, and are afraid to die. I personally believe in some form of afterlife, though I haven't a clue what it may be. I DO know that Hell is fictitious, though. These fanatics NEED to believe in "heaven" because most of them couldn't handle the possibility that an afterlife may not exist at all. In fact, one would should have no fear of simply ceasing to exist. If you don't exist anymore after death, how could you care?



posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 08:27 PM
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All religions surviving today can be disproved to an extent. Over time, things get taken out of context and change. Usually to fit the needs of those in seats of power (Popes, Royalty, etc...). Other times things change when certain aspects need to be hidden from the people, or when an aspect is proven wrong.



posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 08:40 PM
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To the OP, I hope you change your mind before the rapture.


PEACE

[edit on 23-2-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by thehumbleone
To the OP, I hope you change your mind before the rapture.


scare tactics and a pointless post...

anyway

up, there are obvious ways to disprove religions, if you're arguing from logic but the problem is that religion isn't logical. if you ask a logical question like "why won't god heal amputees?" they just make excuses in circles and the conversation inevitably ends when they throw out a cop out like "we can't know god's will"



posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 09:51 PM
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Ah, I see you're up to your father's work as usual Madness.



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 02:40 AM
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madnessinmysoul
I answered your question, Why won't God heal amputees in another thread and I didn't end it with " we don't know gods will".
I also noticed that you never replied to my answer. Is that because it was a logical answer and maybe even the truth?.
Hear from you soon
Jon1.



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by jon1
madnessinmysoul
I answered your question, Why won't God heal amputees in another thread and I didn't end it with " we don't know gods will".


well, that's another thread



I also noticed that you never replied to my answer. Is that because it was a logical answer and maybe even the truth?.


no, it's actually because i really don't want that thread to go off topic
and because i don't really belong in a thread about why other people believe in god



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Uplifted
But take it from me, loads of crap!!! There are no "extra DNA strands".


Take it from you that there are no extra DNA strands???

Why should we be expected to believe you over: "the fact that 97% of the DNA is junk, and it has no known use or function!" according to an usual collaboration between molecular biologists, cryptoanalysists (people who break secret codes), linguists (people who study languages) and physicists ...... and Richard Roberts and Phillip Sharp, who did much of the early work on introns back in 1977, won a Nobel Prize for their work in 1993.


Originally posted by Uplifted
But take it from me, loads of crap!!! There are no "extra DNA strands".

Why should i take it from you? Why should we be expected to simply discard the work of nobel winning scientists in exchange for your personal opinion?


You've probably heard of a molecule called DNA, otherwise known as "The Blueprint Of Life". Molecular biologists have been examining and mapping the DNA for a few decades now. But as they've looked more closely at the DNA, they've been getting increasingly bothered by one inconvenient little fact - the fact that 97% of the DNA is junk, and it has no known use or function! But, an usual collaboration between molecular biologists, cryptoanalysists (people who break secret codes), linguists (people who study languages) and physicists, has found strange hints of a hidden language in this so- called "junk DNA".

Only about 3% of the DNA actually codes for amino acids, which in turn make proteins, and eventually, little babies. The remaining 97% of the DNA is, according to conventional wisdom, not gems, but junk.

The molecular biologists call this junk DNA, introns. Introns are like enormous commercial breaks or advertisements that interrupt the real program - except in the DNA, they take up 97% of the broadcast time. Introns are so important, that Richard Roberts and Phillip Sharp, who did much of the early work on introns back in 1977, won a Nobel Prize for their work in 1993. But even today, we still don't know what introns are really for.

SOURCE / LINK:
www.abc.net.au...



This is for all you Bible thumpers out there. Evolution is a proven fact.


Ya, so is the fact that there are no "extra DNA strands". Should i ignore reality and adopt your personal interprettation which ignores 97% of DNA while saying "Take it from me, there are no extra dna strands."


I'd like to finish up with saying science is the only proven "religion"


Yet, in order to take your claims seriously we have to simply ignore nobel award winning scientists??????



(though some things in science may be false now, they will one day be corrected).


Which is all science is: A series of corrected mistakes.


Even if Religion is science fiction to you, at least all things that are perceived as science facts were first percieved as science fiction, where as science fact is merely a series of corrected mistakes adapting to the changes made in and the questions asked by the realms of science fiction.



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 02:27 PM
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While I am not a creationist and am a believer in evolution, I have to correct you Uplifter and say that evolution isn't proven yet... that's why its called the Theory of Evolution.
The most you can say is that there is more evidence for the Evolution theory than there is for creationism. Neither has been proven nor disproven.



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by JackofBlades
The most you can say is that there is more evidence for the Evolution theory than there is for creationism. Neither has been proven nor disproven.


Time is an underlining and very pertinent variable in comprehending what evolution is.

One needs to accept time is linear in order to subscribe to the belief that evolution is real.

If time = _______________ (a straight line / linear), then evolution is real

If time = O (round / circular), then perhaps evolution is secondary to creationism.

EVERYTHING in reality that is used as a basis for comparison when judging what time is, is based upon a system that is round & circular.

Sun, Moon, Earth, Planets, Orbits, galaxies, black holes, matter, neutrons, protons, electrons, light which dictates time's perception, and even the clock on the wall .... all are round and circular.

Perhaps the only linear variable utilized in descerning what time is ... is our opinions. Everything else in reality says time is round and circular, which puts an impediment upon the theory of evolution.

But, perhaps this is only my opinion. And what is my opinion worth?

nothing.



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Uplifted
But take it from me, loads of crap!!! There are no "extra DNA strands".


Before I choose to adopt your opinion as my own, i would like to know your credentials for contending that "There are no "extra DNA strands", so that we might compare your credentials with some Nobel Prize winning scientists who seem to believe differently than you.

Thanks,
john



[edit on 24-2-2007 by Esoteric Teacher]



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 03:22 PM
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Disprove my Love...

Disprove my Hope...

Disprove my Dream..

You cannot...not on any count. Nor can one disprove my Faith.

Nulli Expugnabilis Hosti

If one cant disprove my Faith..then how can one disprove my religion?

and even if one tried..what would their hope be? Hope in no Hope?>

Words of Cruelty are Words of Oppression.

Words of Healing are Words of Hope.

Where there is Hope there is Light.

Do you see the Light at the end of the Tunnel? We all want to...

Some of us are here so others may find the way

Be Positive...

Peace


[edit on 24-2-2007 by HIFIGUY]

[edit on 24-2-2007 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Some of us are here so others may find the way



Yes, some are. Some feel like underappreciated doorstops, and yet others are doorstops who .....



Be Positive...


Are positive doorstops ....



Sometimes i fall short of being a happy doorstop. Looking into the realm of the kingdom and flagging many through who choose to love 3% so much that they neglect to love the other 97%, perhaps .....

thanks for sharing the thoughts ....

Your faithful doorstop,
john



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 10:42 AM
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I have to correct you Uplifter and say that evolution isn't proven yet... that's why its called the Theory of Evolution.
It is known as a theory because religious fanatics, cannot accept it as a fact. Evolution isn't the only topic that is not accepted as "true". Search the Web, you'll find boatloads. As I stated in my first post, selective breeding IS a controlled evolution. For isn't evolution a slow change by which "desirable" traits are passed on to the next generations so that future populations are "better". "Better" could mean anything, such as larger, faster, smaller, smarter, etc. If a creator, or "GOD", exists, couldn't he/she/it have setup evolution as a design. He/she/it, being all knowing, would know the eventual outcome of humans.

[edit on 26-2-2007 by Uplifted]



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 10:59 AM
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I didn't make claims that DNA itself doesn't exist. It does. Proven fact. People have seen it. I have seen it. I am aware that most of it is "junk", just a "timeline" keeping record of our ancestory. I'd also like to point out that...


You can't disprove religion any more than you can disprove the existence of Aliens.
This is true to an extent, now. Some religions, I'm sure most if not all will agree, are ridiculously false. Raelians, Scientology, even the stuff that seperates mormons from other christians.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Uplifted


You can't disprove religion any more than you can disprove the existence of Aliens.
This is true to an extent, now. Some religions, I'm sure most if not all will agree, are ridiculously false. Raelians, Scientology, even the stuff that seperates mormons from other christians.


There no more ridiculous than any other religion. As my quote above says the existence of aliens hasn't been disproven yet. So whose to say whether aliens exist, and if they do exist, why is it not possible for Scientology to be the true religion.

You can't call any religion stupid because it sounds like that to you. Christianity sounds ridiculous to me, but for its followers it makes perfect sense.
And until aliens are disproven, scientology is still a valid, potentially truthful religion.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 02:08 PM
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I never made any claims of these religions being "stupid". I did use the word ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, though. I started this thread not to convince, but to state simple observations, and to present some of the facts supporting these observations. The original point of this thread was intended to disprove aspects of religions, and not the religions in a whole. I learned long ago that religious "fanatics" are to ignorant of other possibilities, and that you can't change their minds. I use the term "fanantics" as those who deny, deny, deny anthing other than their sole belief. Scientology has many aspects that are beyond far-fetched though. Research what Scientology is in a whole before defending it. What about the "procedure" they perform? It is an interesting conceot, though. I do appreciate the insights of others, and encourage everyone who posts on this thread share their thoughts, no matter how down to earth or far-fetched.




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