Originally posted by ceci2006
Originally posted by nextguyinline
Well, certainly you resent white people for taking advantage of white priviledge.
Did I say that? Or are you putting words in my mouth?
Your tone and content of your writings say that.
You say I can't be 'redeemed' in your eyes, but then tell me what I can do? Please....
I repeat: did I say that? Or are you putting words in my mouth? :shk:
Yes you did say that. This time specifically, not just implied.
quote: Originally posted by nextguyinline
When does a white person get let off the hook for benefiting from white priveledge? Where is the line?
quote: What must a white person do?
Fight for a system of justice benefitting all based on true equality and fairness. And it is not one of faux equality and fairness that some like to
preach about. We are not in an equal society now. Continue talks like these and do not shy away from them. Do not deflect the issue with trivialities,
deflections or dismissals.
quote: How much of it?
White people must not "ignore" the stories that people of color tell. As persons of the dominant culture, they must not "dismiss" the sources and
tales that people of color convey. They must speak out against other white people who do not practice justice in society. They must also be aware that
things like white privilege happen in society and speak against it. They must also work to change the system politically, economically and socially so
that the past is not repeated again.
Deflection? I'm asking personal questions, which have related to topics brought up in this thread. Which, only the first question you
actually answered, strangely and frankly, quite unstably to say the least. The deflection is your inability or intentional refusal to answer my
questions, and poor attempt to warp my questions to fit your own perception of things.
What's strange about it? I don't think anyone of color here has said that they hated or resented white people because of white privilege. Black
success can be measured by other factors, but I believe that your question reflects pure deflection. The reason why I think so is that we need to
discuss white privilege as it is and not deviate into other things.
What other factors measure a black persons success? All I've you seen you offer is physical ability on a sports field.
That's as clear as I can make it from my point of view. I apologize if you feel that my answers did not reflect your standards of inquiry,
whatever they might be.
However, I have not deflected one bit from your questions. I answered you. I'm sorry it's not the answers you want. But what did you expect?
I could say the same about you.
Who's right here? You or me?
Where are your asnwers? In your head? They certainly are'nt in your responses.
My standards of inquiry? What does that mean? A question begs for an answer, there is no standard, except that an answer be present.
If you think, that I think black culture is 'ghetto living', then answer my question of what black culture is. But you can't or
won't. I presume it to be, because there is no black culture in this country. There is only American culture. You are perpetuating the
No, I am not perpetuating the division. You asked what Black culture is. I mentioned aspects of Black culture (which has nothing to do with white
Where did you mention aspects of black culture? You made a fleeting reference that there is a black culture, and named some persons who apparently
created that culture. You didn't answer the question, you deflected it, by again warping my question to fit your perceptions. Is the answer to
hard to bear? Where in here did you explain what black culture in America is?
quote: And what in god's name IS black culture? I cannot for the life of me, figure it out. All I can come up with, from this thread, and a few
others, is that 'ghetto' living is what constitutes 'black culture'; in America that is. Please someone, give me a succint answer to this
If you think that the "ghetto" is all that attributes to black culture, you're a long way off.
I think you haven't heard about the Harlem Renaissance, Crispus Attucks, Benjamin Banneker, John Hope Franklin, Francois Dominique Toussaint
L'Overture, Phyllis Wheatley and Charles Drew. They are a part of many other people and events that have contributed to American culture. They have
also made Black culture fruitful and rather important.
And, it wasn't me who equated "ghetto culture" with "Black culture". In fact, why can't you open up a book (like one would do about
'white' history) and read about the history of Black people? Is it that hard to do?
It is you who equates 'ghetto living' with 'black culture', because you have yet to supply the answers to the questions. You denounce highly
educated, successful black people. What's left? If you can't give specifics, then all we have left to infer, is that black culture is poverty and
But, the "division" pinpoints to other aspects of 'color-blind' rhetoric that is being thrown around. If "racial identity" is not
"seen", then it is treated as a "division" at least, discrimination at worst. Usually, the studies on 'color-blind rhetoric' indicate, when this
is thrown around, it corresponds with an inability to deal with racial identity. And words like "discrimination", "fanning the flames of hate" and
"division" (not all attributed to you, btw), are used to deflect issues that have to do with race. That's not anything on my part. But it is
deflection on yours.
Ok, let me get this straight, If one does'nt subscribe to a difference in races, (identity) then one is perpetuating the division of races? To put
it simply, your saying that a color-blind person who see's blues and violets as the same color, is making blues and violets even more different? As
a black woman, are you saying you require a different treatment, a different society, a whole new 'culture'? It seems you want division, It seems
you want to have an entirely different set of rules, and societal functions for people of African heritage. I think you want there to be a seperate
black culture, but until you can tell me what black culture is, I have to fall back on the premise that there is none.
I'm sorry you feel that I am telling you how you feel, or telling you how you should appraoch these topics. The fact is, I am not. I ask personal
questions, but if the fact that these questions come from a white man's mouth automatically says to you, that these questions are domineering, this
is just another reason for me to believe that yes, you do harbor a hatred and resentment for the white man.
Be as terse as you want, language doesn't bother me. The only thing that bothers me, is that from this thread and others, I have no chance of truly
understanding how you or pehaps the black community feels as a whole.