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Cushman, AR and Blowing Cave's entrance to Teros

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posted on Feb, 23 2007 @ 09:50 AM
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If anybody gives a crap, several of us from Underground Ozarks are headed down to Blowing Cave this weekend, partly for caving and partly to see if there's even a kernel of truth in the whole entrance to Teros thing. I don't think any of us really believe in it, but we're curious if there's some truth in it, like maybe a secondary cave under the main one or something. Some of us are even camping there.

So, I'll show some pictures or something come Monday.

[edit on 23-2-2007 by whiterabbit]




posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 07:16 PM
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Okay, I don't know if I should bother from the overwhelming response, but here's some pictures of our trip.

This is the entrance to blowing cave:

www.undergroundozarks.com...


This is the breakdown area, where the entrance to the subworld was supposedly located. Note the flowing water in the right hand corner:

www.undergroundozarks.com...


Another shot of the breakdown room:

www.undergroundozarks.com...


Here's my thoughts, for anyone that might care. I didn't believe in this story in the first place, but having seen the place with my own eyes, I can now say that there's absolutely no chance it's true.

Any chamber below the breakdown room would almost certainly be filled with water. There's a heavily flowing stream that runs through the cave. While we were there, it rained, and we observed the stream rise a whole foot. Plus, further back in the cave, there are several chambers that sit lower than this one and they are all inevitably full of water.

It's just not true, guys. Any shaft leading four miles down would be well below the water table and full of water.

Plus, this cave is visited just about literally every weekend by locals and others. When we were there, there was another large group of people camping there, as a matter of fact.

People are in and out of this cave all the time. Every nook and cranny of that cave has had people in it one time or another. If there were an entrance to the underworld, somebody would have found it long ago.

[edit on 25-2-2007 by whiterabbit]



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 08:10 PM
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Honestly I can say I have never heard of the Teros story concerning the caves you visited, but I can thank you for taking the time to post your pics from your weekend, and thanks for giving me one more story to check out.


Regardless it seems like a great place to go for a camping trip....



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 11:18 PM
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I am A fellow Arkansasan and love to here about this cave expedition and of any truth about teros. I live in Jacksonville AR and would love to get some directions to where thats at, maybe i can coax my family " I have a 15 year old a 10 year old and a 18 mos old and a wife" to agree on a camping expedition to the caves. I think It would be cool to go and explore.



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 11:21 PM
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Some one a while back posted a cave expedetion here on the teros subject at blowing cave. said there was a huge manmade tunnel and beings that live in these tunnels. I am not sure what happened to that thread or if it was debunked but it does sound interesting.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by mcgilligan02
Some one a while back posted a cave expedetion here on the teros subject at blowing cave. said there was a huge manmade tunnel and beings that live in these tunnels. I am not sure what happened to that thread or if it was debunked but it does sound interesting.


I probably shouldn't post exact directions on the internet even though it's more or less a public place, but I'll PM you. Worst case, though, you could just go to Cushman and ask at the general store. Anyone there will be willing to tell you where it's at. It's considered public.

Well, NM. Apparently I can't PM until I get 20 posts.


PM me your email or something if you want directions.

[edit on 26-2-2007 by whiterabbit]



posted on Oct, 12 2007 @ 02:44 PM
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The blowing cave is not a dead cave. If there is any truth to the Shaver Mystery, one thing that is certain is that the cave now is different from the cave then. My father, grandfather, and his father before him, grew up in the collietown/painters bluff/cushman area and tell stories of when cars could be driven back into the cave to light dances (one of which supposedly ended with the floor cracking and caving in after the people cleared out, taking a model t or two with it). My grandfather (dead for nearly 20 years at 82) said you could easily walk a half mile into it before you had to start crawing and he had spent a couple of days in the cave without hitting the end. Nowdays, you start crawling pretty soon, within about 50 yards (at least that was the case back in the late 80s). Myself, I've been in the cave a couple times over the last 20 years, and its never the same.

Curiously, you'll not find locals who have ever heard of the shaver mystery.



posted on Oct, 12 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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Just a word to the wise:

DO NOT go caving unless you have at least read a primer on how to do it. Many people have gotten seriously injured or killed in caves because they didn't know what they were doing. Being critically injured and stranded in a cave, or heck, just being lost in a cave is not a fun way to go out.



posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 06:06 AM
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Some people took me to Blowing Cave a few years ago...lets just say, that when I got home, curious of the history of the cave, I googled it on the internet and I had my 101 introduction to the whole Hollow Earth, grays, Dulce, etc!! Been hooked ever since. LOL

By the way, I took a friend out to Blowing Cave a month ago, and a spooky mist went by us. We didn't go far back---I never have--too chicken and not much light.



posted on Dec, 11 2007 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by DrJBN
The blowing cave is not a dead cave. If there is any truth to the Shaver Mystery, one thing that is certain is that the cave now is different from the cave then.


Funny thing, I never heard of the Shaver Mystery until very recently and I ended up running down all sorts of paths. This guy, Fred Crisman, turned up, and the going really got weird.

Thanks for investigating out the cave, though. Love checking out those strange sites with a sense of purpose...like Centralia, PA.

[edit on 11-12-2007 by JohnnyCanuck]



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posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 06:44 PM
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I have been so far back in this cave that we had to wade a creek up to our necks with a 2 ft. space between the water and the ceiling. The steam led us to a big open room with a waterfall crystal clear stalagtites. We could have went farther but our lights and string was running out. We crawled and climed 11 hours and found no end or exit but seen some cool stuff.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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i own this cave and it is for sale. anyone interested?



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 02:02 PM
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CUSHMAN - Caverns west and west-north-west of the town are legendary for stories of deep cavern systems, encounters with hairy humanoids with an attitude, giant serpents and insects, deadly gas pockets, strange electro-magnetic phenomena and unexplained disappearances. One of these is "Blowing Cave" which lies in the mining area NW of Cushman and is located 1/4 mile north of a road leading west from Cushman, one of several caverns in the area, some of them possibly connecting at the deeper levels. Between the large entrance and an underground lake far back in the cave is a trail that winds through an area of rubble or "breakdown".



The trail is intersected by a crack in the earth [between the entrance and the lake] that, if followed into the breakdown, widens enough to enter. This chasm is reportedly an entrance to the endless networks of the alien underworld.

source: Charles Marcoux - - George Wight - D. A. Lopez; TRIP TO A CUSHMAN CAVERN



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Thank you for posting these photos. I'd suggest looking at this thread as well:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In it I address a few things regarding the cave, including my opinion as to why you couldn't find the entrance to the Underground Empire in your trip. Still, I'm appreciative of your post and photos. I intend to go into that cave at some point, we'll see.

In a nutshell I believe you couldn't have casually discovered the entrance because Wight's group sealed it off. I think this part is mentioned in Branton's file. Remember they'd been in the cave a great deal of times before they accidentally discovered what led them into the entrance. For this they had to move stones. They were twelve men, so there's enough there to move a boulder....and to put it back in place.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Ah, wasn't the whole Shaver Mystery bit debunked years ago as being a hoax story from a sci-fi magazine? Of course there have been a number of reports talking about it, but you might want to call it something else. I do believe in some of the underground theories circulation, but the whole Deros/Teros mess isn't one of them.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Hi ShadeWolf,

in my view I'd like to continue calling it the Shaver Mystery. This is because, in spite of David L.'s correspondence to Richard Toronto pointing out that Shaver was wrong, the connection starts with Shaver.

If I may point you to this document: www.softcom.net...

I quote:


...logic and common sense will assure you that Shaver's world does not exist, as he described it, but that a world does exist composed of human beings, not spirits.


The origin of dispute starts with Ray Palmer. This is because RAP (as Palmer was known) was a believer in the spirit world. Shaver wasn't. RAP reshaped Shaver's original 10,000 word letter into the fiction tale known as "I remember Lemuria". This was entirely out of character for Shaver himself, who had absolutely no spiritual beliefs whatsoever, in contrast with Palmer who maintained a belief in spiritualism and reincarnation. Therefore, the "world of Shaver" was massively transformed by Ray Palmer.

Why would Palmer do this? Ray Palmer was a smart entrepreneur with an eye for what sold. He took a gamble in printing Shaver's material and it paid off handsomely. Naturally, he wasn't going to retire a winning horse and so he doctored and retailored everything Shaver submitted. I don't know exactly why Shaver put up with this, but my theory is that it made both men some much needed money, especially at a time when most post-war pulp magazines were folding, with the advent of television. Many years later Shaver would speak of how Palmer destroyed his stories to suit his own spiritual beliefs.

George D. Wight, author of the (apparently still missing) Wight Manuscript called the beings he encountered in Arkansas "Teros", in deference to the Shaver mystery. So while the mystery was exploited and perverted into esoterism, there is always the possibility that Shaver had it right, but was too heavily edited by RAP.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by DrJBN
The blowing cave is not a dead cave. If there is any truth to the Shaver Mystery, one thing that is certain is that the cave now is different from the cave then.


Funny thing, I never heard of the Shaver Mystery until very recently and I ended up running down all sorts of paths. This guy, Fred Crisman, turned up, and the going really got weird.

Thanks for investigating out the cave, though. Love checking out those strange sites with a sense of purpose...like Centralia, PA.

[edit on 11-12-2007 by JohnnyCanuck]


I highly doubt this was his real name (perhaps you jest) since the real Fred Crisman has been dead since 1975. He was a mildly known name in UFO circles, involved with the Maury Island Incident.

The real Fred Crisman wrote to Ray Palmer in 1946 telling his own version of the Shaver Mystery. He also claimed to have sustained a heat ray injury during the war. This is generally interpreted as a laser beam wound.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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I should point out that I don't see Branton, author of "Underground Empire" as a fully credible source. He propagated an urban myth about famed Oceanographer William Beebe.



Sometime in the 1950's or before, or so I had heard from a few different sources, an oceanographer by the name of William Beebee had made a bizarre statement to reporters that one day we would be attacked and invaded by a subterranean race. Beebee vanished without a trace sometime after he made this statement. He was lowered in a diving bell off the coast of Florida, and when the SEALED diving bell was brought up and opened it was empty!


Source: www.angelfire.com... "A WARNING TO FUTURE MAN"

William Beebe died of illness in 1962 while in Trinidad after being ill for a couple of days. He was 84 and not likely to be deep sea diving.
Source: William Beebe's Obituary



posted on May, 12 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by whiterabbit
People are in and out of this cave all the time. Every nook and cranny of that cave has had people in it one time or another. If there were an entrance to the underworld, somebody would have found it long ago.

[edit on 25-2-2007 by whiterabbit]


Have you considered that most people exploring the cave didn't bring a block and tackle to search underneath the boulders on the east part of the breakdown room? If I remember correctly a decision was made by the group to seal the entrance again, I think in 1972. Casual explorers wouldn't find the three inch crack on the floor if it was covered.




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