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Originally posted by strangefires
If your have a reliable source that says otherwise please post it.
In a letter to the Pope written in 1389, d'Arcis stated that Geoffroy "falsely and deceitfully... procured for his church a certain cloth" which had been "cunningly painted," and pretended that it was the "actual shroud in which our Savior Jesus Christ was enfolded in the tomb." It was suggested that the shroud was the centerpiece of an elaborate marketing campaign launched by Geoffroy, and intended to drive up the sales of accompanying souvenirs he sold to the masses for a substantial profit.
According to d'Arcis, the shroud was "the work of human skill," and the identity of the person who forged the shroud had been established, although his name was never mentioned.
[...] However, the pope instituted restrictions that included prohibiting Geoffroy II from displaying the shroud as a holy relic. He decreed that every time it was displayed in public, the exhibitor had to inform onlookers that the shroud was not the actual burial garment of Jesus, and contained only an artistic rendition of his face.
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
The fact is, if people lived by the teachings of Jesus Christ, I really don't think the world would be in the shape it is in today.
Originally posted by Malichai
Really? I see its all Jews behind the work. Radical Jews. Just like the Radical Muslims they attack the faiths of others.
Next they will dig up Muhamed.
Originally posted by marg6043
Mohamed was actually a real man that die just like any other human, he was not claim to be of divine birth just that he have divine vision and that is something that neither you or me can prove as true of false but can only make our own minds as the validity of his claims.
Originally posted by CinLung
Anyway, Jesus is just one of the prophet, he is no god.
Christian has betrayed everything and made him god.
This anonymous post is in response to ATS thread: 2012 End of World?
Im only 13 and now im really scared? Are all these pridictions due to religion??
Who thinks this will happen?
Im really worried now.
posted by Palasheea
An Orthodox sect took possession and buried the remains found in that tomb immediately after they were found; hence neither professionals nor any independent scholars analyzed those bones. My question is, are the burials conducted with strict rigor and record keeping, such that the bones found in that tomb might one day be examined by scholars? By examining the remains found in that tomb, they would be able to find out if any of those bones show evidence of having died by crucifixion. Is someone pressing for permission to have access to those bones? Why didn't Cameron and his team examine those bones before even writing that book and making a documentary on it? Strange. Certainly, something fishy is going on here. [Edited by Don W]
It's my guess all Cameron would have had to do was to contact the Israeli gov't and get permission to exhume those remains found in that crypt. I can't see that the Israeli gov't would refuse a well-known American, like Cameron, to have access to such evidence especially considering how much money is sent to Israel by the US . .
Which ever way you look at it, there's a conspiracy of one sort or another going on here involving the location of the re-burial site for the remains found in that tomb - this is clear to me. So what does that tell us? I think the antiquities dept. of the Israeli gov't has already examined the remains and found strong evidence to support the claim that in fact this tomb housed the remains of Jesus and his family. Why would they want to hide that from the world?
Could it be that they are not interested material evidence that Jesus and other members of his family actually existed? And in this case, we are talking about hard core scientific evidence. If those remains were examined by Israeli’s' antiquities dept., which they most certainly were, and were found NOT to be the remains of Jesus and his family, then they would have allowed any legitimate scholar out there to have access to those remains for analysis . . the Israeli gov't does not want the rest of the world to have that information . . [Edited by Don W]
An Orthodox sect, according to Israeli law, took possession and buried the remains found in that tomb immediately after they were found; hence preventing Cameron and his professionals or any independent scholars from being able to analyze those bones
Originally posted by DJMessiah
A priest named Pierre d'Arcis wrote to the Pope claiming the that Turin is man made and fake,
Originally posted by FlyersFan
10 reasons why the 'jesus' tomb is bogus.
# There is no DNA evidence that this is the historical Jesus of Nazareth
# The statistical analysis is untrustworthy
# The name "Jesus" was a popular name in the first century, appearing in 98 other tombs and on 21 other ossuaries
# There is no historical evidence that Jesus was ever married or had a child
# The earliest followers of Jesus never called him "Jesus, son of Joseph"
# It is highly unlikely that Joseph, who died earlier in Galilee, was buried in Jerusalem, since the historical record connects him only to Nazareth or Bethlehem
# The Talipot tomb and ossuaries are such that they would have belonged to a rich family, which does not match the historical record for Jesus
# Fourth-century church historian Eusebius makes quite clear that the body of James, the brother of Jesus, was buried alone near the temple mount and that his tomb was visited in the early centuries, making very unlikely that the Talipot tomb was Jesus' "family tomb"
# The two Mary ossuaries do not mention anyone from Migdal, but simply has the name Mary, one of the most common of all ancient Jewish female names
# By all ancient accounts, the tomb of Jesus was empty, making it highly unlikely that it was moved to another tomb, decayed for one year's time, and then the bones put in an ossuary
Originally posted by Nygdan
The discovery was made nearly 30 years ago. Cameron only recently made the documentary starting 3 years ago.
What source are you getting this from?
[edit on 27-2-2007 by Nygdan]
Kloner noted that when the ossuaries were found nearly three decades ago, most of the bones inside were badly decomposed.
Due to haredi pressures put on the Israeli government, no anthropological tests were ever carried out on the remains, he said, with the bones transferred to the Religious Affairs Ministry for immediate reburial along with assorted other remains found in various construction projects and digs.
The location of the bones, which were then interred by the Jewish burial society, is not known.
At the press conference, Gibson had recalled a similar process, though he said an anthropologist had normally examined bones in the numerous ossuaries that were being recovered at the time from various caves at construction sites in the then-expanding Jerusalem.
Originally posted by DDay
Remember The Davinci Code?
Originally posted by DDay
Religion as we have been brainwashed into knowing it would be meaningless and the masses would no longer be controlled. How would the church recover?
Pieces of the True Cross, including the half of the INRI inscription tablet, preserved at the ancient basilica Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome. Very small pieces or particles of the True Cross are preserved in hundreds of other churches in Europe and inside crucifixes. According to Gerasimos Smyrnakis Rohault de Flery calculated that the total volume of the True Cross was 178,000,000 cubic milimeters but on his time only 3,942,000 cubic milimeters survived. Smyrniotakis noted the largest part (870,760 cubic milimeters) was in Mount Athos, 537,587 in Rome, 516,090 in Brussels, 445,582 in Venice, 436,450 in Ghent and 237,731 in Paris.
Each afternoon one of the priest-monks brings out the holy relics to be worshipped. Among them is a piece of the True Cross, the foot of Saint Ann (Mother of Virgin Mary), untouched by decay, the hand of St. Gregory the Theologian, the head of St. Alypios, who lived as a hermit for 60 years on a column in the Paphlagonian desert. These were gifts of the Monastery’s first patron, The Great Emperor Alexios Komnenos (1081-1118).
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
this is obviously not an objective source