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Originally posted by Damocles
its been stated taht hte plume went up an estimated 2000 feet.
wouldnt that be a bit low if it was from the plane being shot down? why would the plane be under 5k ft? or even under 20k ft?
just wondering...
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Which way was the wind? Was it a North-Westerly?
It is why I keep thinking that the overhead sat-photo style photo of the crash site looks computer generated; the photo fails item 4 in the list above. My gut tells me it is wrong, and it is usually right.
Where on Google maps can I find the crash site?
A crater that big would be visible from the air for years afterwards. You only have to look at old airfields that were dug up and the land reclaimed; from the air they are still visible (outlines of runways etc).
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
This is link to a photograph of the crash site taken by the USGS. Was this taken afterwards?
Originally posted by nick7261
There aren't any witnesses that I've read about that said they saw a smoke plume, except for those right near the crash site. And even then, their descriptions don't match up with Val's photo at all. The most common account I've read is that the smoke cloud went up about 200 feet. If Val's photo is accurate, it went up more like 2000 feet!
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Yes, I am, too, not least because compared to explosions of similar nature (and three of those examples occurred on the same day, and one aircraft was of the same type), the cloud is disproportionately large. Also, when you look at its form, it is wrong in that regard, too. The WTC become long thin plumes, whereas that is one big ball. It doesn't appear to have the density that the others do, either.
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Getting there I think!
Originally posted by Damocles
but yeah, there should be a smoke trail coming down from the sky in addition to the big puff of smoke, and there doesnt appear to be one.
so, yeah, my GUESS is that this is a bogus pic published by someone trying to make a buck off a tragedy.
Originally posted by Damocles
because it was easier than putting in the time to explain it as a fraud?
sometimes even pros will take the path of least resistance when they dont think its an important issue. right or wrong...they may have just gotten lazy about it.
Originally posted by shrunkensimon
Great post OP'er!
Mathematics never lies. The smoke plume is either closer than we think, or the photo is fake.
The 2nd WTC impact had the use of an added explosive, in the form of napalm, to give a better visual fireball for all the cameras. Maybe this plane was carrying a napalm bomb aswell, and hence why the smoke plume is so huge/black.
Maybe it was shot out of the air closer to where the photo was taken? We know the debry field was 8 miles wide, so this fits (it being shot down).
im still undecided as to the purpose of the shanksville plane. whether it was destined for WTC7, or always was going to be shot down to allow the "heros, lets roll" story to come into play/emotional blackmail factor.
Originally posted by nick7261
Here's what the WTCs would look like if they were under the plume in the McCLatchey photo, drawn to scale:
Here's what the McClatchey plume would look like if it were over NYC. Notice how small the explosion in WTC2 is compared to the size of the smoke plume from the McClatchey photo.
Q: How could the crash of Flight 93 have created a smoke plume so large???
A: It couldn't!
Q: How could Flight 93 have created this big of a smoke plume from the crash, and yet fail to burn the grass next to the crater it supposedly left??
A: It couldn't!!