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NY democrats want to grant voting rights to non-citizens

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posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 12:55 PM
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Yes, that's right. Read this and see for yourselves.

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This is just wrong for so many reasons. And dems, sensing a way to get some more votes, are willing to sink to any level of pandering to get them.


You need to be a citizen to vote. You want to vote, become a citizen. OMG, this would not even be an issue in any rational country.

[edit on 2/20/2007 by centurion1211]




posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
You need to be a citizen to vote. You want to vote, become a citizen. OMG, this would not even be an issue in any rational country.


um, this is all about municiple elections...
you seem to be misrepresenting the article with your .line in an effort to smear a political party

if you're a permanent resident alien, shouldn't you have the right to vote in the municple elections of the city you have residence in?
especially with that whole "no taxation without representation" thing, they do pay their taxes, don't they?
and this is only LAWFUL non-citizens
citizenship is about being a member of a nation, not a member of a CITY

it's not like they'd be voting for stuff on the state or federal level
and don't give me the "slippery slope" argument, because any measure to have non-citizens voting on those levels would easily be struck down as unconstitutional

[edit on 2/20/07 by madnessinmysoul]



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by centurion1211
You need to be a citizen to vote. You want to vote, become a citizen. OMG, this would not even be an issue in any rational country.



um, this is all about municiple elections...
you seem to be misrepresenting the article with your .line in an effort to smear a political party


So what if it's municipal elections. These are still U.S. municipal elections. Allowing non-citizens to vote cheapens the votes of actual citizens. You know, the people that were born here, or that paid their dues to become citizens


if you're a permanent resident alien, shouldn't you have the right to vote in the municple elections of the city you have residence in?
especially with that whole "no taxation without representation" thing, they do pay their taxes, don't they? and this is only LAWFUL non-citizens citizenship is about being a member of a nation, not a member of a CITY


Laugable attempt split hairs here.
A CITY is part of and subserviant to the NATION it is part of. Read the constitiution.


t's not like they'd be voting for stuff on the state or federal level
and don't give me the "slippery slope" argument, because any measure to have non-citizens voting on those levels would easily be struck down as unconstitutional [edit on 2/20/07 by madnessinmysoul]


Thanks you for pointing that out. Unconstitutional on the federal level is also unconstitutional on the state and city levels.



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 01:54 PM
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actually, unconstitutional on the federal level isn't always on the state or municipal level

there are those that argue that a federal income tax is unconstitutional because it is a state's right to decide

a city isn't subserviant to a nation
it's actually subserviant to a state (unless you're the DC)

and if the state has no problem with legal permanent residents voting in a city's municipal elections, let them
it doesn't cheapen my vote one bit
and just so you know, gaining US citizenship is a hard process
some people get it right away (like certain refugee groups, best example here would be Cuban refugees) while others have to fight for it through years of paperwork and hassals

so why should a Cuban refugee who is a productive member of society get to vote right away when a legal permanent resident from Italy who is also a productive member of society can't?




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