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Why Americans are Skeptical of Their Role in Global Warming

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posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by billybones82
You cannot expect to dump thousands if not millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year and expect it to have no effect whatsoever on global climate systems. The biggest threat now is China. The economy there is growing so rapidly that they are scrambling to build facilities to power all the "necessities" of everyday life. Do you realize they plan to construct an average of one coal power plant a week for the next ten years? The technology they are using is outdated and dirty. Maybe Mother Earth can handle one industrial waste giant, but as the rest of the world becomes "Americanized" we will really begin to see the devastating impact mankind can have on the earth.


The anthropogenic CO2 emissions are nothing in comparison to what the natural cycles of Earth release.

It is a fact, even though some might try to refute it, that our oceans have in storage 98.5% of all CO2 which exists on Earth, the other 1.5% is present in landmasses, and the anthropogenic CO2 comes from that 1.5%, which we are only taping a small fraction of.

Let me show you another fact which the "mankind is at fault crowd" would love to make dissapear as they tried with past warming events..such as Mann tried to do with his "Hockey Stick Graph".


RELEASE OF CARBON DIOXIDE FROM THE EQUATORIAL PACIFIC OCEAN INTENSIFIED DURING THE 1990S

A recent study conducted by oceanographers Taro Takahashi and Stewart Sutherland from Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory (LDEO) and Richard Feely and Cathy Cosca from the NOAA Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory (PMEL) indicates the partial pressure of CO2 (pCO2) measured in surface waters dramatically changed after the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) phase shift in the Pacific Ocean that occurred around 1990.

The atmosphere and the oceans carry on an exchange of carbon dioxide (CO2), a major greenhouse gas. This is particularly significant in the equatorial Pacific Ocean because it is one of the most important yet highly variable natural source areas for the emission of CO2 to the atmosphere.

“The results of our study show that the intensity of CO2 release from the western equatorial Pacific has increased during the past decade. By 2001, this reduced the global ocean uptake – about 2 billion tons of carbon a year – by about 2.5 percent, ” said Takahashi who directed the study that provides a clearer picture of the importance of PDO events on the Earth’s carbon cycle. “This is on top of the CO2 emission and absorption fluctuations seen between El Niño and La Niña years, which occur on shorter timescales.”

www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov...


..........The results from Petit et al. (as well as earlier ones based on shorter climate records) show that carbon dioxide closely follows the course of climate, as tracked in the deuterium content of the water that made the ice. (The temperature curve is based on deuterium measurements: the colder the snow, the less deuterium in the vapor that made it.) The large range in the fluctuations of carbon dioxide (and methane) is noteworthy, as well as the very rapid rise of these gases during warming when the climate moves from a glacial state to an interglacial state, a process called �deglaciation. The rapid rise of carbon dioxide and of methane during the periods of deglaciation is of special interest in the present context, because we may find hints as to future developments on a warming Earth.

earthguide.ucsd.edu...



Data from past climatic changes have shown the fact that CO2 levels always lag temperature. After temperatures have increased, then CO2 levels have increased. When temperatures in our oceans increase, this releases more CO2 in the atmosphere of Earth, and do remember that our oceans have 98.5% of all CO2 found on Earth.

[edit on 25-2-2007 by Muaddib]




posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by kleverone

And while you sit in class the oceans continue to rise, ice sheets continue to melt, fish species continue to die, the temputure continues to rise, and food sources, i.e. wheat and grain may begin to suffer as well. Now the changing of the earths atmospheric concentration is starting to affect Humanity in ways never documented.


In ways never documented?...

Apparently you have never even bothered to research past Climate Change on Earth... In the last 4,000 years we have had 4 climatic changes on Earth, warming and cooling events, and if you go back 15,000 years you will find at least two dozens changes that the Earth experienced, from warming to cooling trends, including rapid, or abrupt Climate Change....and in several of those warming trend temperatures were warmer than today.


large climate changes in Europe/Near East during the last 15,000 calendar years (note that these dates are in 'real' years not radiocarbon years).

14,500 y.a. - rapid warming and moistening of climates. Rapid deglaciation begins.

13,500 y.a. - climates about as warm and moist as today's


13,000 y.a. 'Older Dryas' cold phase (lasting about 200 years) before a partial return to warmer conditions.

12,800 y.a. (+/- 200 years)- rapid stepwise onset of the intensely cold Younger Dryas. Much drier than present over much of Europe and the Middle East, though wetter-than-present conditions at first prevailed in NW Europe.

11,500 y.a. (+/- 200 years) - Younger Dryas ends suddenly over a few decades, back to relative warmth and moist climates (Holocene, or Isotope Stage 1).

11,500 - 10,500 y.a. - climates possibly still slightly cooler than present-day.

9,000 y.a. - 8,200 y.a. - climates warmer and often moister than today's

about 8,200 y.a. - sudden cool phase lasting about 200 years, about half-way as severe as the Younger Dryas. Wetter-than-present conditions in NW Europe, but drier than present in eastern Turkey.

8,000-4,500 y.a. - climates generally slightly warmer and moister than today's.

(but; at 5,900 y.a. - a possible sudden and short-lived cold phase corresponding to the 'elm decline').

Since about 4,500 y.a. - climates fairly similar to the present

2,600 y.a. - relatively wet/cold event (of unknown duration) in many areas

(but; 1,400 y.a. [536-538 A.D.] wet cold event of reduced tree growth and famine across western Europe and possibly elsewhere).

(Followed by 'Little Ice Age' about 700-200 ya)


www.esd.ornl.gov...

In the above they forgot the Medieval warm event, which started around 800 A.D. and ended in the 1300s.

In fact recent research from Europe and elsewhere has found that temperatures were warmer during the Medieval warm even than today...


The five scientists determined that the mean temperature of the Medieval Warm Period in northwest Spain was 1.5°C warmer than it was over the 30 years leading up to the time of their study, and that the mean temperature of the Roman Warm Period was 2°C warmer. Even more impressive was their finding that several decadal-scale intervals during the Roman Warm Period were more than 2.5°C warmer than the 1968-98 period, while an interval in excess of 80 years during the Medieval Warm Period was more than 3°C warmer.

ff.org...


A team of scientist from Austria and Germany located three stalagmites in the Spannagel Cave located around 2,500 m above sea level at the end of the Tux Valley in Tyrol (Austria) close to the Hintertux glacier. The temperature of the cave stays near freezing and the relative humidity in the cave is always at or near 100%. The stalagmites grew at a rate between 17 and 75 millionths of a meter per year and are nearly 10,000 years old.
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The stalagmite is screaming to us that many periods in the past 9,000 years were warmer than present-day conditions!

www.worldclimatereport.com...

And you think that sea level rises and dramatic Climate Change is anything new?


Nearly 1,700 years ago, devastating tempests associated with sea-level rise destroyed villages of the Calusa Indians on the southwest Florida coast, near present-day Fort Myers, forcing the native fishermen to move inland to relative safety, said UF anthropologist Karen Walker.

Walker's clues to storms, sea-level rise and migration include village remains buried by storm-surge sediment, and other village deposits found at higher elevations than where they should be. In addition, the modest shells and fishbones left behind by the Indians, she said, show ecological correlations between rising sea levels and global warming periods documented in the historical record of ancient Europe.

"As we enter into a modern warming period, which seems to be the case, Florida is likely to experience flooded shorelines and an increase of intense storms," Walker said. "I think that it's not a coincidence that there were major storms recorded at some of the archaeological sites that I study and that those storms happened during the warm Roman Optimum period. I have the storms closely dated to the fourth century AD."

Global warming is not new, said Walker, explaining that a variety of evidence points to a global episode of warming, dubbed the Roman Optimum, which occurred roughly from 200 B.C. and about A.D. 400, and a later episode, the Medieval Optimum, which took place from about A.D. 800 to A.D. 1200. A cooling episode named the Vandal Minimum occurred roughly between the two warmings.

"By studying many archaeological deposits from many locations, I see a picture showing that sea-level fluctuations in Florida correlate to these climate fluctuations known from European history," she said.

www.napa.ufl.edu...

You do know that for example, at one time the valley of the Nile river was green and prosperous...but climatic changes made it what it is today...without the help of cars, AC, or factories....


Originally the Nile Valley and surrounding countryside was green and productive but due to climatic changes the rainfall stopped. Now due to the annual floods, a strip of fertile green land land runs along the river edge whilst the remaining countryside which the flood water is unable to reach, is dry desertland.

www.egyptianholiday.net...

It must have been those cars and factories the Egyptians had that brought them Climate Change...

The same probably can be said of the native Americans who experienced the effects of abrupt climate change 1,700 years ago....

Damn, those 1,700+ year old nasty cars and factories....

Anyways, there are natural factors which are a lot more powerful than mankind, yet some people apparently want to think we are the "masters of the universe"....


October 28th, 2004

The Sun is More Active Now than Over the Last 8000 Years

An international team of scientists has reconstructed the Sun's activity over the last 11 millennia and forecasts decreased activity within a few decades

The activity of the Sun over the last 11,400 years, i.e., back to the end of the last ice age on Earth, has now for the first time been reconstructed quantitatively by an international group of researchers led by Sami K. Solanki from the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research (Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany). The scientists have analyzed the radioactive isotopes in trees that lived thousands of years ago. As the scientists from Germany, Finland, and Switzerland report in the current issue of the science journal "Nature" from October 28, one needs to go back over 8,000 years in order to find a time when the Sun was, on average, as active as in the last 60 years. Based on a statistical study of earlier periods of increased solar activity, the researchers predict that the current level of high solar activity will probably continue only for a few more decades.

mpg.de/english

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posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib



Data from past climatic changes have shown the fact that CO2 levels always lag temperature. After temperatures have increased, then CO2 levels have increased. When temperatures in our oceans increase, this releases more CO2 in the atmosphere of Earth, and do remember that our oceans have 98.5% of all CO2 found on Earth.

[edit on 25-2-2007 by Muaddib]


Although i do understand what your saying, look at your graph. neverf in the past 400,000 years has the carbon dioxide ppm gone above 300ppm its currently at i believe 376 ppm and expected to grow even higher. If this is all perfectly natural cycling why have levels this high never been recorded before? (serious question)



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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Although i do understand what your saying, look at your graph. neverf in the past 400,000 years has the carbon dioxide ppm gone above 300ppm its currently at i believe 376 ppm and expected to grow even higher. If this is all perfectly natural cycling why have levels this high never been recorded before? (serious question)


Let me show you something.



The above graph represents the ratio of CO2 that has been present in Earth's atmosphere for the past 600 million years.

Do you know what happened to that CO2? Most of it is in our oceans, most of it is trapped in the upper layers of the ocean floors, but a large amount of it is in the oceans which regulate the fluctuations of CO2 levels on Earth.

In fact our oceans hold 98.5% of all CO2 that exists on Earth, the other 1.5% can be found in landmasses, and mankind has mostly tapped a small fraction of the landmass CO2 levels in the form of biocarbons.

CO2. for the most part is not eliminated, it has been absorbed by the oceans, and in a smaller scale by the landmasses, and when there are increases in magmatic and seismic activities in the Earth, not only on land but on the oceans as well, part of the CO2 which has been stored is released into the atmosphere.

Now, the following graph, which is too large for me to upload to ATS, shows what happens when there is an increase in magmatic activity.



Note that CO2 is also released by magma flows, but not only that, when our oceans are heated up part of the CO2 that is stored there is also released into the atmosphere.

Now, from the same link where the above graph can be found you can read the following.


Press release September 22, 2005

Czech
Signs of magmatic activity in Central Europe observed for the first time
Scientists find a new explanation for earthquake swarms in the Vogtland region


Beneath the Cheb Basin on the German-Czech border there is an increase in the movement of magma towards the earth’s surface. This is the conclusion drawn by scientists from the UFZ Centre for Environmental Research (Umweltforschungszentrum Leipzig-Halle) and Germany’s national research centre for geosciences, the GeoForschungsZentrum Potsdam (GFZ). The verdict was reached after scientists undertook studies of rising gases in the mofettes and mineral springs in the area. Measurements taken over a period of 12 years showed that the ratio of two helium isotopes in these gases was changing. “The measurements produced the highest values in Europe north of the Alps – such as are usually only associated with active volcanic areas”, explained Dr Karin Bräuer of the UFZ.
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“In the Bublák mofette near the border with Saxony we have measured an isotope ratio which is as much as 6.2 times that found in helium in the air”, says Karin Bräuer. “This is the highest ever recorded in Central Europe. Values like this are otherwise only associated with active volcanoes, such as Mount Etna.” The comparative measurements from the Laacher See in the East Eifel showed no changes. To the researchers this means that something is happening underground in the area around the Cheb Basin. This is now the region with the highest proportions of mantle helium in Central Europe.
The last volcanic eruptions around what is now the border area between Saxony, Bohemia and Bavaria probably took place around 300,000 years ago.

www.ufz.de...


The Fiery Face of the Arctic Deep


Results from a German-American Arctic expedition to the Gakkel Ridge have implications for the understanding of the generation of new seafloor

The Gakkel ridge is a gigantic volcanic mountain chain stretching beneath the Arctic Ocean. With its deep valleys 5,500 meter beneath the sea surface and its 5,000 meter high summits, Gakkel ridge is far mightier than the Alps. This is the site of seafloor spreading that is actively separating Europe from North America, and was the goal of the international expedition AMORE (Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition) with two research icebreakers, the "USCGC Healy" from USA and the German "PFS Polarstern". Aboard were scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and other international institutions. The scientists had expected that the Gakkel ridge would exhibit "anemic" magmatism. Instead, surprisingly strong magmatic activity in the West and the East of the ridge and one of the strongest hydrothermal activities ever seen at mid-ocean ridges were found. These results require a fundamental rethinking of the mechanisms of seafloor generation at midocean ridges (Nature, January 16 and June 26).

Current theories of oceanic crustal production predict that volcanic activity deminishes as the spreading rate of the tectonic plates decreases and only little or no hydrothermal activity. Instead, the scientists found high levels of volcanic activity. "We expected the volcanic activity to gradually decrease from West to East as the magmatic systems shut down. Instead, approximately in the middle of the survey area, the magmatism shut down completely, then dramatically increased," says Dr. Jonathan Snow, the leader of the research group from the Max Planck Institute. This group was responsible for the petrological and geochemical investigations.

mpg.de/english

Other articles dealing with increase seismic/magmatic activity in the oceans.


Hydrothermal "Megaplume" Found in Indian Ocean
Brian Handwerk
for National Geographic News

December 12, 2005
An enormous hydrothermal "megaplume" found in the Indian Ocean serves as a dramatic reminder that underwater volcanoes likely play an important role in shaping Earth's ocean systems, scientists report.

The plume, which stretches some 43.5 miles (70 kilometers) long, appears to be active on a previously unseen scale.

"In a nutshell, this thing is at least 10 times—or possibly 20 times—bigger than anything of its kind that's been seen before," said Bramley Murton of the British National Oceanography Centre.

Scientists reported the finding last week at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco. Researchers also announced newly discovered deep-sea hydrothermal fields in the Arctic Ocean and the south Atlantic.

The appearance of hydrothermal vents around the world suggests that they are a far more common part of the ocean system than once believed and could be a major influence on circulation patterns and ocean chemistry.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

And that is not the only ones found. They have been found all over the Globe.


Scientists Discover Undersea Volcano Off Antarctica
Science Daily — ARLINGTON, Va. -- Scientists working in the stormy and inhospitable waters off the Antarctic Peninsula have found what they believe is an active and previously unknown volcano on the sea bottom.
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He noted that there has been "no previous scientific record of active volcanoes in the region" where the new peak was discovered and that it is north of an existing boundary where volcanic activity is known to occur in the region.

The volcano, which has yet to be named, also is unusual, Domack said, in that it exists on the continental shelf, in the vicinity of a deep trough carved out by glaciers passing across the seafloor.

www.sciencedaily.com...

www.sciencedaily.com...

I won't post every link because i have done so before and it would take a lot of time excerpting and giving all the links again. But i will give this last link with excerpts.


Warmer oceans may be killing West Coast marine life

By Carina Stanton

Seattle Times staff reporter

Scientists suspect that rising ocean temperatures and dwindling plankton populations are behind a growing number of seabird deaths, reports of fewer salmon and other anomalies along the West Coast.
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"Something big is going on out there," said Julia Parrish, an associate professor in the School of Aquatic Fisheries and Sciences at the University of Washington. "I'm left with no obvious smoking gun, but birds are a good signal because they feed high up on the food chain."

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

The above are not the only natural events which are happening now and which have not happened for hundreds of thousands of years. For example, the Earth's magnetic field has weakened 10% more than it has during the last 780,000 years.

There are spots in the Earth's magnetic field which are even weaker, up to 30% weaker than in the last 780,000 years.

The weakening of the Earth's magnetic field has happened during the last 150 years, it started around 1845.

The conclusion is that there are natural events which are happening as we speak and have not happened some for over 8,000 years, such as the Sun's increasing activity, and others have not happened for hundreds of thousands of years.

All of these natural factors have been happening at the same time that temperatures are increasing, and we have been experiencing a Climate Change as these events have been unfolding.

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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear



neverf in the past 400,000 years has the carbon dioxide ppm gone above 300ppm its currently at i believe 376 ppm and expected to grow even higher. If this is all perfectly natural cycling why have levels this high never been recorded before? (serious question)


BTW, actually if you look at the graph, about 300,000 years ago CO2 levels were higher than today.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 01:16 AM
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If we see CO2 increasing in the atmosphere, and humans emitting enough CO2 to account for that very rise, then you have to go throw out mathematical principles to avoid a connection.

Most people don't know the difference between carbon isotopes, their current ratios and think man-made carbon dioxide is the same and naturally made carbon dioxide. They also don't know isotope spikes in the ice cores are not temperature indicators but precipitation indicators.

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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 01:33 AM
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Yep, mankind releases a low percentage of the trace gases found on land, our landmasses and atmosphere have 1.5% of all CO2 found on Earth, and mankind gets blamed for Climate Change, or as it is also called Global Warming, meanwhile our oceans hold 98.5% of CO2 found on Earth, there are increased magmatic and seismic activities and our oceans become warmer hence releasing more CO2 than mankind can ever release, go figure.


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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 02:26 AM
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If mankind wants to remove blame, he removes his destructive footprint from ecosystem. Until humanity does this to the best of his/her ability, then humanity can not rule out its' blame. Simple as that....



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
If mankind wants to remove blame, he removes his destructive footprint from ecosystem. Until humanity does this to the best of his/her ability, then humanity can not rule out its' blame. Simple as that....




good. take Brazil for example, they are converting sugar cane into methanol on a large scale, more often than not on formerly (rain)forested terrain.

which begs the question: is emphasising CO2's role a wise decision when there are many more pressing issues like irresponsible land use, soil depletion, overfishing, bottom trawling, 'good' 'ole pollution? Meanhwile, CO2 and GW are competing for funds and attention. i'd wager we'll be better of with intact ecosystems instead of trying to influence / not influence climate in a way we deem necessary.

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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by Long Lance

which begs the question: is emphasising CO2's role a wise decision when there are many more pressing issues like irresponsible land use, soil depletion, overfishing, bottom trawling, 'good' 'ole pollution?


I think they should emphasize the whole rather than a single part too and know that it's not an instant taco bell world and can take generations to make a big difference in efficiency and green tech.

That being said, the the typical methodology is to run with what is currently hot and global warming is it, because most people tend to focus on a just few things at a time.


This free book is comprehensive.








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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Regenmacher
If mankind wants to remove blame, he removes his destructive footprint from ecosystem. Until humanity does this to the best of his/her ability, then humanity can not rule out its' blame. Simple as that....



Not really, if mankind as a whole realizes that "Climate Change" is part of a natural cycle of Earth, and these cyclic changes have happened several times in the past without the help of mankind, then mankind can better prepare for the changes that will come, instead of spending billions "hoping" Climate Change will be slowed down or stopped.

As I have explained a dozen times already, I am not advocating the release of more chemicals into our oceans/rivers/lands or some such nonsense some claim I am advocating....

We do need to be responsible towards the environment, not because "it will stop Climate Change", but because we do need to protect the environment as much as possible.

I am not advocating either the naive notion to expect changes overnight, or that if we stop all emissions it will slow down or stop Climate Change, because it won't.

Changes should be done slowly, more so when the lives of millions of people, not only the economy of the world, depends on making the right decision and that decision is not to "expect some nations to cut down their greenhouse gas emissions, while allowing other nations to increase their emissions more", this will only give more money to the policymakers, and bring the balance of power in favor of countries such as China.

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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
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Not really, if mankind as a whole realizes that "Climate Change" is part of a natural cycle of Earth, and these cyclic changes have happened several times in the past without the help of mankind, then mankind can better prepare for the changes that will come, instead of spending billions "hoping" Climate Change will be slowed down or stopped..


Yes really, and our current climate is unnatural for humanity. Higher efficiency and reducing risk is always more profitable, where as spending billions on schemes that burden society with more taxes and disregarding man's role in the weather is inefficient. The planet as a whole needs to cut down on emissions and energy usage, rather than making more war for what remains and in the process burning up even more resources.

The US Department of Defense (DoD) is the largest oil consuming government body in the US and in the world

Using other nations as an excuse to act irresponsibly is preposterous and insane logic. China is fueled by demand, if the West demands green tech they will seek to fulfill it or they will economically collapse.



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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 07:07 PM
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Yes Muaddib the large portion of this, is most likely normal climate fluxuation that has been happening undisturbed and with relative predictability, constantly keeping itself in check, so climate never got completely out of control, hot or cold. Yes i know there were ice ages and hot periods, all of which the planet and its life recorvered. But now we aare adding a new factor to this delicate balancing act, and although relatively small compared to other factors, those 10 billion tons of greenhouse gasses still add a large enough factor, and one this earth has not been designed to deal with naturally, because for the past 4.2 billion years we have not been a factor.

P.S your graph has some flaw. because it puts the level 300,00 years ago at 300ppm which it might have been, but puts current at less than 300ppm whichis wrong since they are currently at around 376 ppm

C02 ppm

It says 380ppm, but im fairly certain that its in the high 370's and that thats a rounded number.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
But now we aare adding a new factor to this delicate balancing act, and although relatively small compared to other factors, those 10 billion tons of greenhouse gases still add a large enough factor, and one this earth has not been designed to deal with naturally, because for the past 4.2 billion years we have not been a factor.


AND that is what the majority of scientists involved in global warming studies are saying; not as muaddib tries to portray it, that they are saying we are the sole cause, rather that we are a significant contributing factor.

It kinda makes you wonder why he is so passionate about this subject... it certainly can't be his commitment to the truth since he is a master twister of others words.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by grover
Nuclear has never been clean. Anything that is that toxic for 10,000 years and more is simply dirty and dangerous and nothing less.


You do know that there have been huge advancements in Nuclear power right? These modern nuclear plants aren't the inefficient waste producing exploding plants of the past. Although, there are quite a few people out there that want you to believe that.

Google some scholarly articles about it sometime. You just may change your mind about Nuclear power.

As far as global warming goes... I'm sorry guys... It's my fault! For the past thirty years I have been I have steadily been passing an extreme amount of gas!



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 09:15 PM
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just about the subject!

US are not the only one living on the plane!.

we are all quilty!

not one more than the others!

remember play ground!

not mny would say I am quilty!

we must join forces!


as far I am concerned the equilibrium of a lot of things are at stake!

and us humanwe call ourself!

I rather say animal or cell in lesser view more in a view of small as we are!
small as we started so many years ago!
just a cell!

the lot will get us! not the US fault or the urss!

just our own greed and the seven sins!



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 09:18 PM
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been a nrw comer in those forum!

I still would love to have a one to one conversation with muaddib!

how many post must be done!

I was born in 1963!
august!

he may understand!

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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by deedub6
been a nrw comer in those forum!

I still would love to have a one to one conversation with muaddib!



just disagree with him... that will attract his attention.



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posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 09:45 PM
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Before this goes any further off-topic, I suggest all who wish to post here read the following:
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posted on Apr, 14 2007 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by tha stillz



Earth wobbling can cause more of the global warming than it has been given credit for it think....




www.abovetopsecret.com...

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