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reply posted on 23-2-2007 @ 11:28 AM by Syrian Sister
timeless test

So what you're saying is that it is part of the process of law. Surely that is a good thing even if you don't like the outcome of that process?


LOL, a warcrime legitimised in writing, by an illegitimate puppet government.
It's still illegal under international law.

How can a crime being condoned by law be a good thing? How can 3 fighters be hung for doing what is their basic human right be a good thing? I should like the process even if i don't like the outcome?????? WHY? because i should love court cases where resistance fighters might be executed, wether or not they are or aren't?

Your saying, that, i should like that there is any law at all, even if it's devoid of any decency, justic or human rights? DO you think this sort of 'law' is something we haven't seen before? Sounds like the law of saddam's time, so what's changed? Now that your government applies it, we should like it and thankyou for this "civilisation".

How can you even try to spin this your way?


They're not PoWs, they were not operating in a manner covered by the Geneva Conventions and are still subject to the law


Oh right timeless, because you've got all the facts right, you have phsycic abilities. Since you have deemed them not to have POW status, then they don't have it. No need for an independent international verdict, no need for the world of any leader, we have got you to tell us the way it is.


Indeed, President Bush has repeatedly stated that Geneva applies in Iraq (although he has since claimed that foreign fighters captured in Iraq are not covered).


www.globalresearch.ca...

Got it?

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And i will repeat again, Prisoners of war have probably been executed in this fashion ILLEGALLY UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, since the begining.



reply posted on 23-2-2007 @ 12:22 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
timeless test

So what you're saying is that it is part of the process of law. Surely that is a good thing even if you don't like the outcome of that process?


LOL, a warcrime legitimised in writing, by an illegitimate puppet government.
It's still illegal under international law.

How can a crime being condoned by law be a good thing? How can 3 fighters be hung for doing what is their basic human right be a good thing? I should like the process even if i don't like the outcome?????? WHY? because i should love court cases where resistance fighters might be executed, wether or not they are or aren't?

Your saying, that, i should like that there is any law at all, even if it's devoid of any decency, justic or human rights? DO you think this sort of 'law' is something we haven't seen before? Sounds like the law of saddam's time, so what's changed? Now that your government applies it, we should like it and thankyou for this "civilisation".

How can you even try to spin this your way?


They're not PoWs, they were not operating in a manner covered by the Geneva Conventions and are still subject to the law


Oh right timeless, because you've got all the facts right, you have phsycic abilities. Since you have deemed them not to have POW status, then they don't have it. No need for an independent international verdict, no need for the world of any leader, we have got you to tell us the way it is.


Indeed, President Bush has repeatedly stated that Geneva applies in Iraq (although he has since claimed that foreign fighters captured in Iraq are not covered).


www.globalresearch.ca...

Got it?

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And i will repeat again, Prisoners of war have probably been executed in this fashion ILLEGALLY UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, since the begining.


SS- over 2/3 of the Iraqi population participated in the elections. How is the Iraqi government illegitimate? Is it illegitimate to those who aren't the majority party(who happened to oppress the majority of their countrymen, when they were the majority party.)


reply posted on 23-2-2007 @ 12:31 PM by timeless test
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
LOL, a warcrime legitimised in writing, by an illegitimate puppet government.
It's still illegal under international law.


What exactly are you saying is illegal under international law and, therefore, a warcrime? A law put in place by an elected Government has been applied against these women because they murdered a number of policemen. Carrying out that sentence is NOT a warcrime unless it is in breach of the Geneva conventions. The Government arguably has rather more legitimacy in terms of its democratic credentials than any other in the region and certainly more so than those administered by unelected dictators who hold power by accident of birth or brute force alone.

We discussed the conventions earlier in the thread. As far as I know, (and no I'm not psychic any more than you are), the conventions do not apply to these women because they were not regular soldiers, (wearing recognised uniforms, carrying their weapons openly etc.), but still acted as combatants, i.e. not as civiliians. So, like I said, the sentences are a process of law and that is at least one step better than summary justice.

It seems that the manner in which the legal process was applied left much to be desired but that is hardly news for much of the middle east even where the West has not attempted to impose itself on others.


Now that your government applies it, we should like it and thankyou for this "civilisation".


It's actually being applied by the Iraqi judiciary which is nominally separate from the Iraqi Government, (elected by Iraqis), which, in turn is separate from the US Government. Finally, although it may not always seem that way, the US Government is separate from the British Government and I am British. So, whoever is applying the law in Iraq these days it certainly isn't my Government.

Oh right timeless, because you've got all the facts right, you have phsycic abilities. Since you have deemed them not to have POW status, then they don't have it. No need for an independent international verdict, no need or the world of any leader, we have got you to tell us the way it is.


Hey, don't knock it, I give a terrific service, I'm very cheap and usually available on line.

I've already conceded that I don't know all the facts, I am making what I think are some some reasonably well founded assumptions. If I am wrong then the opportunity certainly exists to call those responsible before a war crimes tribunal in time. As it stands, even the journalist who wrote the story, (who, if you do a little bit of research, you will find is far from an impartial observer), makes no attempt to suggest that the women did not carry out the murders.

Prisoners of war have probably been executed in this fashion ILLEGALLY UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, since the begining.


Maybe not in this fashion but I can only agree that innocents have certainly died at the hands of all sides.

Syrian Sister, let me make my position clear. I oppose the death penalty for all crimes in all countries and the present situation in Iraq brings me no pride or pleasure other than my admiration for the courage and professionalism of the fighting forces of my country who are trying to do an apallingly difficult job which is not of their personal choosing. But, if guerilla style freedom fighters murder policemen, or indeed anyone else, then they must accept the consequences of their actions.

I would be far happier if they did not feel compelled to take such action but since they have then it is inevitable that, if caught, they will be punished according to the law.
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