Proof that our 2007 is Mayan 2012 !!, page 3
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reply posted on 24-2-2007 @ 12:39 AM by defcon5
Originally posted by Marduk
actually seeing as no one asked me for any links what you just did is whats called either a "straw man argument" or sometimes a "personal attack"


Here let me bring a couple back for you so you can see them:

Originally posted by Defcon5
Well so far myself and others have provided you links, and all I have seen from you in return is a bunch of boasts with no supporting evidence to the contrary besides your opinion. You know what they say about opinions, right?

Hm... When will we even see the slightest hint of an external quote supporting these remarks you seem to be throwing out at other users with nothing to back them up?


As to the personal attack, calling you a name would be a personal attack, saying that your remarks are hypocritical when you refuse to provide the same proof you require, is stating a fact.

Originally posted by Marduk
I'm not stubborn
I'm just correct


You’ve yet to prove it…

Originally posted by Marduk
and as I'm a sumerologist I can provide any links you want from reputable websites
what would you like me to disprove first ?

www.religioustolerance.org...
www.michaelsheiser.com...
this claim of course doesn't include the other planet which they knew about which is the one they called Kisar. that they knew of this one wasn't very impressive either

this site lists all 78 known sumerian astral objects
www.astronomy.pomona.edu...
as opposed to the 10 billion that most modern astronomers estimate are visible

happy now ?


This, my friend, is called changing the subject, and you know it. You brought up Sumerians; this is about the Mayas and your boastful remark made to show me incorrect.

In case you lost the original boast you made in the whole big three pages of this thread so far, I’ll go find it for you:

Originally posted by Marduk

The event is the Earth entering the dark rift of the Milky Way, which they knew of as the cosmic birth canal.

prove it
with credible links
I'd be willing to bet money that you can't


So, I am waiting for you to quote a single credible site that states that the 2012 calendar end does not relate back to a celestial event of the merging of the plains of the tree of life. When the earth re-aligns with the cosmic birth canal, otherwise known as the dark rift of the Milky Way, from their South American Perspective. At which point they obviously believed that we will experience either an end and rebirth, a new age, or just an end.

If you cannot prove this as you stated, then just admit it.
I’ll even let the “pay you money” part slide.

Please don’t bring in a bunch of Sumerian crap, besides derailing the thread its painfully obvious to everyone you cannot make good on your boast so far, and thus are changing the topic.



reply posted on 24-2-2007 @ 08:42 AM by cpdaman
www.spiritwheel.com...

would u give me the latitude to say that the maya elders are a good representation of what the mayan's beleive

This is a fulfillment of our prophesies, that is why I am here. our elder astronomers are watching over time and when it will be fulfilled. It shall be fulfilled in Twelve Baktun and it began on August 17, 1987, the Harmonic Convergence. It was then that I began my walk all over the world. The Harmonic Convergence began the Twelve Baktun, Thirteen Bahaou and will end in 2012 or 2013 by your calendar. This will end the fourth period of the sun by our calendar. There will be huge problems. Catastrophes and cataclysms will befall us.




seems clear he thinks this is a not just any old period i.e nothing to see hear move along

In these past days there are many doomsday sayers. On August 11, 1987, the positions of planets in alignment brought more energy on the earth. There will be more earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. During 2012-2013 there will be a great comet and a red comet. We are all creatures of the earth, but in space there are others. Comets might fall elsewhere. These are not predictions of death.But a great illness will come from pollution. That is why we are gathering, to stop the pollution that will cause this great illness.



seems like the mayan elders are fed up with the modern day doom sayers with there mis-info calling for the end of the world, nope just alot of death alot of diseases and when it passes

"May it dawn, may the new day come, may people have peace and be happy."


clear enough



[edit on 24-2-2007 by cpdaman]


reply posted on 24-2-2007 @ 09:17 AM by cpdaman
"yes thats exactly what I'm saying
apparently you have not watched much Zorro
if you has you'd know who don alejandro actually was and how this website you linked to is made up crap
vivi8.free.fr... "


do u get paid to post nonsense

that man is don alejandro de la vega

but you knew that

the man i speak of is don alejandro oxlaj

c'mon keep trying to discrediit, derail, or dissent


reply posted on 24-2-2007 @ 09:30 AM by MischeviousElf
Marduk

you seem to be very very sure of your views or very very keen to change others.

Some of what you post is accurate and I truly am one for cutting all the crap out of most myths....

However WTF are you going on about in a lot of what you say? You are a Sumeroligist..... you believe there is no link at all between the Asiatic and Arabic empires 5000 (and previously but tenuous) bc the unconnected Aboriginal of Australia, and the inhabitants of America?

Werll then you obviously do not study enough of the language of these cultures, their pictograms and shared stories and religeous (of what ever slant) ceremonies.

There are HUNDREDS of enexplained exact matches of these between cultures prior to any contact between them. I dont need to evidense it for you learn look yourself, not by some pseudohistorian (as you appear to be!) just look at the pictures, ceremonies, words matching exactl;y, no interpretation in front of your eyes... explain that then please great sumeriologist. In addition 20012 will be a solar maximum year and we will be for the first time in millions of years in line with the galctic centre. So things will be happening then, the mayans did postulate a year for the end of their cycle however as you rightly said this was based on the birth of venus as a starting point, they do however postulate that at the end of the cycle a new on e begins stating that it is like birth and death the old order will be changed and a new one begun.

Now im not saying the world will end and all the other doom saying stuff, though I do believe as proven scientifically it certainly at least on an astronomical basis they were spot on.

elf.
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