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posted on Feb, 19 2007 @ 10:08 PM
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I'm coming clean on freemasonry.

I used to buy into the conspiracy of Freemasonry. However, after a lot of research, I now believe the "satanic conspiracy" is hogwash. I not only researched masonry inside my own family, which includes both grandfathers, and my great grandfather which were all 33's.
First, the "G" does not stand for god it stands for Geometry. The masons hold the knowledge of sacred geometry, which brings us to "33". 33 is an important number when measuring circles. Then there is the pentegram, it has been around long before the church of satan ever used it. It is seen in many crop circles.
Second, lucifer the eastern star, or Venus, is not Satan its a star in the sky nothing more. Do you think morning star breakfast crumbles are satanic? I can't except George Washington and the founders of our country being Satanist.
Third, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I am going to try and join the freemasons and find out for myself. I think most of this conspiracy comes from religious zealots. So if any masons know how I can join let me know.
Finally, I know I am about to get it for writing this so fire away.

Rich




posted on Feb, 19 2007 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by rich1974

The masons hold the knowledge of sacred geometry

Yes, though in the modern day the ability to cut the angle of stones to make a perfect 180 degree arch is a little leass awe inspiring. Back in the day though it was pretty neat.


Second, lucifer the eastern star, or Venus, is not Satan its a star in the sky nothing more. Do you think morning star breakfast crumbles are satanic?

Yes, and any way you look at it, masons don't worship Venus or a star or Lucifer. We worship God by what ever name he is called in our respective religions.


I can't except George Washington and the founders of our country being Satanist.

Ya, I don't think they gave us the right to bear arms, freedom of speech etc. just so they could have fun taking them away later.


So if any masons know how I can join let me know.


If possible check with any family member who are currently masons. If none are still living and you do not know any masons, check with the local lodge in your area. It should be easy to find, we haven't been hiding our lodges for 300 years or so. Just go to Google and enter your town plus masonic lodge.



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 12:58 AM
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the G actually stands for Gnostic aswell. Look into Bavarian Illuminati.

OP. you should realize that Masonry is just an old mans club where they eat fish every sunday night. It is interesting to note that powerful people in the world were or are masons in some cases though. That bildeburg meeting for instance. if you can find anyone who actually worked there they'll tell you the masonic jewellery was rampent. but thats off the record.

Superior court judges. Presidents are masons. but it's secret societies like Bohemian Grove which you should really be looking into. And even then thats just the beginning. Occult is more what your after. That which is hidden.

Everyone points their finger at Masonry but it's not Masonry persay. Masonry isn't even a real secret society. The real secret societies are the ones which none of us here knows anything about. And thats the way the powers that be want it. Just as long as everyone points their fingers at masonry the keepers of the light are happy.



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 01:49 AM
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Well thought response.

I am coming clean on myself.

It is all getting depressing. Let me make a long story short. I am now a stay at home dad fro 11 months now. I have seen a UFO so naturally I started watching UFO movies on google. I watched all the UFO movies then went on to watch these following subjects(most conspiratorial).

Bohemian Grove, 911, Religion, Freemasonary, Illumanati, Nazis, Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Secret Space, Denver Airport, Ancient Civilizations, skull&Bones, and every conspiracy you probably ever heard of.

I may be gullable but some of these theorist make a pretty damm good argument. I used to be christian but after some research there is no way I will ever go back to that again. Please don't respond to try and convince me otherwise, it is futile. After hours of study I can come to no other logical conclusion of all religion. This is coming from somone that was a huge fan of Chuck Missler.
I am getting side tracked anyway, we are told lies about human origins, religions, annd science. These lies are clear cut and any reasearch without a predetermined conclusion can easily produce evidence contrary to the standard curiculum. In my experience lately is where do you stop? I mean if these basic building blocks are lies, it certainly can be possible the world is run by reptillians? No!
Then there is the grove. Oh the grove! That Cremation of Care makes me sick to my stomach. In my opinion on it, is this. These sick world leader bastards cremate thier cares of sticking it in our rear ends everyday. I don't think anymore, there needs to be a satanic or reptillian conspiracy to prove these mother dodgers are evil.
I have been lost deep in conspiracy, it is leading to depression. I know there is a conspiracy to take over the world. It is called monopoly capitalism, AKA Fascism these bastards kill and starve and torture for wealth and power. They are human, they are evil, and I wouldn't pee on them if they were on fire. The whole lot of em.
I live in a different world. I have a kind and good heart. It is hard for me to see some humans doing such evil, so naturally it tends for me to want to believe they are not human, but the sad part is they are.
Im Rich, I am coming back to reality. I hope together we can sort through the half truths and dribbles of real truth to find the truth. It is not easy but life never is.

Take Care



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 06:30 AM
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I am a Mason, 32d degree. I am delighted to read this posting. There is so much misinformation and disinformation going on out there about Freemasonry, I could just PUKE!

Keep up the good work! We are just a bunch of old men, who sit around eating bologna sandwiches, and raising millions of dollars for crippled children and other charities. (average donations by masonic charities: $2.1 million dollars PERDAY)



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by cemab4y
I am a Mason, 32d degree. I am delighted to read this posting. There is so much misinformation and disinformation going on out there about Freemasonry, I could just PUKE!

Keep up the good work! We are just a bunch of old men, who sit around eating bologna sandwiches, and raising millions of dollars for crippled children and other charities. (average donations by masonic charities: $2.1 million dollars PERDAY)


sorry cemab4y but i don't buy into that. if you wanna hang about with your pals and fund-raise then join a charity organisation. there's obviously some reason why masons have to swear to secrecy, use special handshakes and re-enact scenes from way back in the days of King Solomon's Temple. There's some info there that from the days of old you feel normal folk aren't entitled to. Masons do raise lots of money for charity and do help society, no denying it. They're also not responsible for the woe's of the world, but I believe some are. My Grandfather was a 33rd degree mason. Some of my family members are still masons. I agree a lot of it is just socialising with the boys but there is more. It has a huge link to Kabbalah in the symbolism. Is that it? Is that the major secret? I guess being a girl i'd never find out......



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 02:04 PM
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I could show you truth or lies in anything...



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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Rich,well, like I tell everyone about Masonry, the information is out there. All of this talk about them being some kind of "secretive" group is ridiculous.The Mason's beliefs have been written about extensively. Yet, some still want to place dark, secretive, abstract ideas on the Mason's.

Rich, you, and many others are finally waking up. I thank God for that.



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Nammu
It has a huge link to Kabbalah in the symbolism. Is that it? Is that the major secret?


In my opinion, yes. At one time, it was illegal to discuss and study the Kabalah and Hermeticism (thus the secrecy).

Today, we still preserve the secrecy and ritual forms from tradition, but obviously, the secrecy aspect is nowhere near as important these days as it used to be, if it's even important at all.



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 06:26 PM
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Well I beg to differ about the secrecy. If it's not a big deal lets hear about it. And no Nygan this isn't about my checking account number or my email. This is about masonry. If I want to talk about my checking account number I will go to a bank forum not the secret societies forum. Question: Why does Freemasonry dedicate itself to John the Baptist and John the Evangelist but not have any mention of Jesus Christ in its 'charges' or rituals?

Answer: As an organization comprised of a plurality of religious faiths, it is not to be expected that any one religion should be represented except to deceive the naive and ignorant. The John's are allusions or references to alternative forms of "christianity" in which Jesus Christ is man only, not God-man, begotten not made from God. These alternatives are called "gnostic", heretical syncretistic sects that mix Hellenistic pagan religions with Neo- Platonism. Masonry is a cult based upon mediocrity and mendacity. It is elitist, racist and misogynist. Masons come firstly. The notion of masons advocating democratic freedoms and rights is pure nonsense. It is a deceptive lie. Their practical volume of the sacred law is the book for tyrants by Machiavelli called The Prince, or the egotistic selfishness of the philosopher Ayn Rand (a woman!), who advocated a might is right, laissez-faire capitalism with no regard for social welfare for the disadvantaged.

'The Freemason'

The Freemason, is at heart a cheat. Here we have the sleazy little fellow who thinks he can advance in life by trickery or 'craft' as they call it so aptly.

He is the dishonest toerag seeking unfair advantage over his fellow earth-travellers or brethren; he is a scoundrel of the first order who knows nothing of brotherhood and everything about how to cut corners.

Therefore you will observe these chaps to be shoddy and of below average wit. This is why we see so many criminals attracted to their fold, and because of their inherent dimness we see that they are so easily manipulated by their masters at the top.



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by rich1974
I'm coming clean on freemasonry.

I used to buy into the conspiracy of Freemasonry. However, after a lot of research, I now believe the "satanic conspiracy" is hogwash. I not only researched masonry inside my own family, which includes both grandfathers, and my great grandfather which were all 33's.
First, the "G" does not stand for god it stands for Geometry. The masons hold the knowledge of sacred geometry, which brings us to "33". 33 is an important number when measuring circles. Then there is the pentegram, it has been around long before the church of satan ever used it. It is seen in many crop circles.
Second, lucifer the eastern star, or Venus, is not Satan its a star in the sky nothing more. Do you think morning star breakfast crumbles are satanic? I can't except George Washington and the founders of our country being Satanist.
Third, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I am going to try and join the freemasons and find out for myself. I think most of this conspiracy comes from religious zealots. So if any masons know how I can join let me know.
Finally, I know I am about to get it for writing this so fire away.

Rich


Congratulations. You have become enlightened. The truth isnt as exciting as the conspiracy but it is still the truth.



posted on Feb, 20 2007 @ 07:34 PM
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Mitchelcopper, it seems that your posts/dogma/plagiarisms/ad hominem arguments aren't showing here anymore.

Why not check out www.ephesians5-11.org... and hang out with some like-minded religiously-hysterical types?



posted on Feb, 21 2007 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Nammu
It has a huge link to Kabbalah in the symbolism. Is that it? Is that the major secret?


In my opinion, yes. At one time, it was illegal to discuss and study the Kabalah and Hermeticism (thus the secrecy).

Today, we still preserve the secrecy and ritual forms from tradition, but obviously, the secrecy aspect is nowhere near as important these days as it used to be, if it's even important at all.


Thanx Masonic Light. That's the first proper and most honest answer i've ever had from any mason relating to the Kabbalah link.

I'm at the moment reading the Constitution of the Free-Masons and finding the history incredibley interesting. I never realised how far back the history goes. I thought it went back to Solomon and never realised it was actually older. The history of Scottish freemasonry is very interesting, being Scottish and all, and how it links to the Union of the Crowns and the spread of freemasonry. It's totally rife here and it's something we all grow up with but never really understand.

If mitchelcopper would take a second to read it he might be surprised it states that freemasons must be 'a moral and wise man' to avoid 'gluttony or drunkness' and ensure other brothers do the same, to be 'good men and true, or men of honour and honesty' when dealing with brothers or non-masons. Seems to me there's a good moral lesson there, but I guess like everything there is black and white and some people stick to the guidlines and others don't.



posted on Feb, 21 2007 @ 02:28 PM
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Roark I didn't get that from the website you posted. Instead prove me wrong about masonry. Or maybe I should go to masonicinfo.com and see how masons really lie. It's easy to understand how masons lie. If you are not a society with secrets prove it. You won't because you actually think those pitiful oaths mean something. It's amazing how mason help cripples but cripples and blind people are judged not good enough. Boy what a club. Masonry should be flushed down the toilet with all the other crap.



posted on Feb, 21 2007 @ 05:47 PM
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I saw a group of masons on the news just last week donating money they raised to a charity... that kind of shocked me.

I didn't know anything about them apart from the name, which seems to come with it's own stigma these days. Maybe they aren't so bad after all?



posted on Feb, 21 2007 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by rich1974
So if any masons know how I can join let me know.


The first test is sex with black sheep!!!
Followed by ritual killings and blood drinking. Enjoy the lake of fire!!!



posted on Feb, 21 2007 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by golddragnet

Originally posted by rich1974
So if any masons know how I can join let me know.


The first test is sex with black sheep!!!
Followed by ritual killings and blood drinking. Enjoy the lake of fire!!!

Wow, I can't believe that this day in age people can be so easily swayed by all the disinfo floating around out there. As someone has stated before in an earlier thread the secrets of Fremasonry haven't exactly been secrets since the invention of the printing press. I'll find some liks to old articles about it. The main thing that keeps this "Conspiracy" going is all the disinfo out there. You just have to disregard all the crap that's been put out by the Catholic Church and other religious fundamentalists. Freemasonry has nothing to do with satan worship, blood orgies, human sacrifices, and all that other crap that people say it does. Once again, the information is all out there you just have to look beyond www.freemasonrywatch.org and other assorted sites that are anti mason. They are not a cult nor are they a secret society. They merely are a benevolent brotherhood with some secrets. That's all. If they were so evil as people seem to think they are without doing research, why do they raise so much money for so many charities and generally want to help make the world a better place to live in the ways that they can. Do you think the Shriners are an evil organization? They raise money for lots of good causes, not to mention the Shriners Hospitals for children. They're not so bad now are they. But I'm sure you already knew that shriners are Masons. I'm just gtting tired of clouded facts and twisted truths being the basis for trying to label a benevolent group of people as evil. But then again if you believe that evil is all around you then you will tend to see evil everywhere you look. Try to look at the good things that a group does before being so quick to label something as evil. Comments like posted above add no depth to the conversation. If you genuinely hate masons or think everything to do with them is evil and all you're gonna do is post blatant lies like that then you would be better off not replying to this thread. There are plenty of other "Freemasonry is Evil" threads and sites that you can post those comments to. [/rant]



posted on Feb, 21 2007 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by fooffstarr
I saw a group of masons on the news just last week donating money they raised to a charity... that kind of shocked me.


Actually, that comment sort of shocked me. The general public often sees us as primarily a charitable society, without considering there is anything more to it (especially in regards to a Masonic organization called the Shriners, famous for the childrens hospitals and burn centers).



posted on Feb, 22 2007 @ 12:10 AM
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Actually, that comment sort of shocked me. The general public often sees us as primarily a charitable society, without considering there is anything more to it (especially in regards to a Masonic organization called the Shriners, famous for the childrens hospitals and burn centers).


Exactly,

This is the reason the freemasonry conspiracy doesn't hold water with me anymore. These men are godly charitable respectable people. They sacrificed for us to have freedom in the past getting hunted down by monarchs. So, yes there was a conspiracy in the past to take over goverments. A conspiracy to establish freedom from the crown, which people like David Icke fail to mention.



posted on Feb, 22 2007 @ 12:30 AM
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As long as there is secrecy in Freemasonry, there will always be distrust.

There is no getting around it. All the charity in the world won't solve it.

The freemasons should freely open all their ceremonies to the curious.

Secret brotherhoods have always been, are, and always will be, scary to those who don't belong.



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