Second Life & ATS

Originally posted by zeeon

1. One member is addicted so will not continue to engage SL.

That just looks funny

Originally posted by Calm Anomaly
Wow, take it easy. It was just a suggestion. One outside the box, unlike your platform - Marxist. Get your own idealogy. No, I won't join your Commie-Cult! Good day to you Sir.... I SAID GOOD DAY!

I'm taking it quite easy, thank you for your concern. My opinion was solicited by virtue of this thread being started and I stated my opinion. If opposing opinions aren't wanted it should be stated at the start of the thread.

BTW I'm running as a socialist party candidate and since you haven't seen my platform you have no basis to reach any conclusion. It sounds like your the one that is confined in a box that favors form over substance, not I. But it's not really surprising, our congress voted on the Patriot act without reading it, our President won't read anything longer than a single page and you haven't read my platform.

Originally posted by zeeon
First off I don't appreciate you accusing me of "Hijacking ATS Users".

Why don't you organize a similar election on SL? If this platform is such a great idea it seems to me that you would have no need to solicit ATS members. Just my opinion. I have no ax to grind on the subject, but if you continue demeaning and belittling my opinion I will be forced to continue replying to refute your malarkey.

ITS NOT A GAME.

ITS NOT LIFE EITHER.

Okay great ! NO BODY is suggesting you shouldn't - but why can't you even acknowledge the idea of being able to represent yourself in another way?

I have no problem with SL conceptually, however we have enough animated puppets in our real elections running image based campaigns and I have no desire to ape that behavior via SL. The bottom line is that if I wanted to participate in SL, then I would be participating on SL.

In SL your "voters" could see you real time, discuss things with you on a personal basis...

I would not be adverse to discussing and debating in a real time chat format. In fact real time debate would be my preference, just not using SL.

(df1,

I have no problem with one voicing their opinion, but to reply to someone's harmless thread with the loaded accusation of "hijacking" anything (especially in times like these) is a blatant attempt at a smear campaign which is totally uncalled for. I'm not saying every candidate would have to do this, but if the idea catches on, I'm sure all the smart ones will. This is would be a new way for them to interact with their constituents, which great politicians are always looking for. An excellent example of this is the latest internet trend thoughout the Demoratic party.

-And when someone asks the question, "what would Marx do" It's pretty obvious their not running on their own platform of ideas, but rather the ideas of someone else.)

...I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!



[edit on 2/20/07 by Calm Anomaly]

Originally posted by df1

Originally posted by zeeon
First off I don't appreciate you accusing me of "Hijacking ATS Users".

Why don't you organize a similar election on SL? If this platform is such a great idea it seems to me that you would have no need to solicit ATS members.

You Obviously didn't read (or did not comprehend) my first post. If I was in the business of recruitment (which I resent being accused of in the first place), I may very well do that. However, since I'm not "recruiting" at all, I'm not doing that.

Just my opinion. I have no ax to grind on the subject, but if you continue demeaning and belittling my opinion I will be forced to continue replying to refute your malarkey.

What I suggested, and am continuing to suggest - is to add a presence in SL that ATS users & administration can use to further enhance an already great community. You, Sir, are of the belittling type, by throwing around un-founded accusations. Opinions consist how one feels on a certain subject, and I respect that. Accuse me of doing something I'm not and I, Sir, will continue to refute your self spun "malarkey."

ITS NOT LIFE EITHER.

Again, I enjoy how you personally attack me. Is this also what you consider a personal "opinion"? Second Life is a name. Not only is Second Life for enjoyment, it also has other, more useful purposes that a game does not. Again, if you had bothered to comprehend my previous posts, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I have no problem with SL conceptually, however we have enough animated puppets in our real elections running image based campaigns and I have no desire to ape that behavior via SL. The bottom line is that if I wanted to participate in SL, then I would be participating on SL.

Thats great - then dont! But don't sit here and act like your speaking for everyone else. The entire elections idea was brought up by one member, and I supported it. You don't like it - don't support it. Thats fine.

SL & ATS have more in common then just one election you happen to be involved with. I'm not going to waste my breath in trying to explain the benefits or usefulness involved with creating an ATS presence in SL on you.

If anyone else wants to know or has questions - don't hestitate to ask on this thread. I will answer anyones questions / suggestions / feedback


[edit on 20-2-2007 by zeeon]

Originally posted by Calm Anomaly
An excellent example of this is the latest internet trend thoughout the Demoratic party.

I have no desire to use the Democratic or Republican parties as a models of representative government.

-And when someone asks the question, "what would Marx do" It's pretty obvious their not running on their own platform of ideas, but rather the ideas of someone else.

To say nothing of my picture of Marx displayed on a big red button right below that quote. Who in their right mind could have any doubt of my platform with all of that evidence?

[edit on 20-2-2007 by df1]

Your missing my point. The public wants to be engaged by the establishment in new and creative ways.

Does anyone know how to explain the concept of, "A new and creative way of doing things" to a Socialist?




[edit on 2/20/07 by Calm Anomaly]

Originally posted by Calm Anomaly
Your missing my point. The public wants to be engaged by the establishment in new and creative ways.

Apparently they don't want to be engaged using SL, otherwise this thread would be so busy that you wouldn't have time to respond to a mere socialist. None the less, here we are.

Pretty much everyone with a Internet capable computer with minimal memory & hardware regardless of OS can use ATS forums and blogs. The same can not be said for SL. The number people that are unable to optimally use it because of OS, hardware or memory issues makes it exclusionary to a lot of people. Being exclusionary is a bad quality, so in order to be a superior means of communications it needs to overcome this issue with some very substantial benefits. So how is SL a superior means of communications in comparison to the written word?

Originally posted by Calm Anomaly
Your missing my point. The public wants to be engaged by the establishment in new and creative ways.

Does anyone know how to explain the concept of, "A new and creative way of doing things" to a Socialist?

It's better than anything you've suggested. Oh wait, You don't haven't suggested anything. You don't have any ideas of your own, you just came here to shoot down everyone else's ideas without offering any new ones. I guess for you, all the really good ideas have all already been taken and put down on paper somewhere, so why bother thinking of any new ones. I do not have that luxury Sir. Unlike you, I do not have the luxury of having the system think for me. - This is ridiculous. I just remembered why I hate dealing with political-winger on both sides. It's like beating a dead horse...A brain dead horse.

If you could include a creative and innovative new way (that is your idea and your idea alone) in which you plan to reach your constituents in your response, it might help prove otherwise.

[edit on 2/21/07 by Calm Anomaly]

Originally posted by df1
Pretty much everyone with a Internet capable computer with minimal memory & hardware regardless of OS can use ATS forums and blogs. The same can not be said for SL. The number people that are unable to optimally use it because of OS, hardware or memory issues makes it exclusionary to a lot of people. Being exclusionary is a bad quality, so in order to be a superior means of communications it needs to overcome this issue with some very substantial benefits. So how is SL a superior means of communications in comparison to the written word?

Yep thats right I tried dl this program to see if it would work but my POS laptop won't handle it. It just hates it. This would put me right out of the race lol. Oh well I guess I will have to make more podcasts then (warms up wobbly southern accent voice)

Originally posted by Calm Anomaly
It's better than anything you've suggested.

This is the whole of what you have to say other than insulting me, you can not provide a single reason to use SL for anything. NOT ONE REASON. I can see why you are desperate to use a product that minimizes writing skills.

If you could include a creative and innovative new way (that is your idea and your idea alone) in which you plan to reach your constituents in your response, it might help prove otherwise.

I have nothing to prove. You can't come up with one reason old or new to use SL, the burden of proof is on you. However since you insist on my providing a positive new use for SL, you can delete the SL software from your computer and print out the manual for use as toilet paper. It's a bit rough and causes some chaffing, but it gets the job done.

You want to make this thread about me instead of SL, I'm done wasting my time here.

[edit on 21-2-2007 by df1]

Originally posted by df1
Pretty much everyone with a Internet capable computer with minimal memory & hardware regardless of OS can use ATS forums and blogs. The same can not be said for SL. The number people that are unable to optimally use it because of OS, hardware or memory issues makes it exclusionary to a lot of people. Being exclusionary is a bad quality, so in order to be a superior means of communications it needs to overcome this issue with some very substantial benefits. So how is SL a superior means of communications in comparison to the written word?

This is the first logical negative aspect of using SL I've heard from you. Congratulations!

Not everyone has a POS Laptop, or old computer. My computer works just fine, and I run a cheap 1.8 ghz with 382 Meg ram. I have an old GeForce FX 5200 vid card, along with a decent harddrive. I run SL (although not the best it can be).

Is SL a superior means of communication? I never said it was. What I did say is that would add another dynamic to ATS that *could* be beneficial to ATS users who can use SL. That is if we could get around this bickering over certain users who simply can't try something new (or, who did, didn't like it and are so vehenmetly against it they don't think anyone else should either.)

Well, for the record, I like SL. I enjoy SL. SL Has its uses and its enjoyable an enjoyable fun time. I enjoy creating objects and using the interface and interacting with other people in a new way - vice using written boards - which have been around since the advent of the internet.
Nothing is wrong with boards - but whats the problem in integrating something new along with the board?

I cannot see any good coming from living in a make believe online community. Anything you want to do in this online community, you should just go outside and do it in real life. Start a business...DO IT. Run for office.....DO IT. Get an education...DO IT. Drive an environmentally friendly vehicle...DO IT.

Originally posted by groingrinder
I cannot see any good coming from living in a make believe online community.
...you should just go outside and do it in real life

- thus says the person inside the matrix 'game'.
That would be a true irony for sure.

Peace

dAlen

Originally posted by groingrinder
I cannot see any good coming from living in a make believe online community. Anything you want to do in this online community, you should just go outside and do it in real life. Start a business...DO IT. Run for office.....DO IT. Get an education...DO IT. Drive an environmentally friendly vehicle...DO IT.

Couldn't agree more.

But I was just wondering:

- what made you (anyone reading this, obviously, if it applies) join SL in the first place?

- after joining, did you continue to visit it regularly - more often, less often...?


(It's really just small talk, bear with me... or ignore me. )

Let me put on my tinfoil hat...

...Not to mention the Government collects data from simulated environments.

Scary Surveillance and Simulated Enviroments

Besides...I just don't have the time, what with the real ATS and all.

thats the day I delete my ATS account.
Who needs a second life when you can practice to have OBE's almost every night?
besides, the graphics in the astral plane are far better than any cgi environment.

reply to post by zeeon


Someday this is going to be happening anyway. There´s no stopping it. Mass-collaboration in virtual worlds. But I dont see it happening yet. I´ll give it 5 more years untill second life becomes more standardized, easy to use and more widespread. Like others I wont be touching it anytime soon because ATS is already addictive enough for now though.

Somehow I can't see someone trying to commit that amount of time to both SL and ATS. Lets face it, if you are so involved in one or the other that you want to combine the two, it's likely to consume every waking hour to keep this surreal union afloat.

Furthermore, I have enough to do in the real world or at least my real world. I already commit too much time to ATS as it is which doesn't help propagate my own web business.

Finally, those lucky bastages that started SL are so filthy rich off of what I deem as cattle or sheeple or whatever and I refuse to be a willing participant in making other people rich. At least that I am aware of and that's why I do things like purposely avoiding apparel with the designers name emblazoned all over it. It's like providing free advertising for them. Heck, I even remove the dealer license plate frame jigger after buying a new car.

Anyway, back on subject, the SL/ATS combo is a bad idea IMO.

Originally posted by enjoies05
It was so addicting though. I played it for so long at a time. No way will I ever play it again.

I used to play WoW I'm sure others here have too.

Yes, MMO games are VERY fun and VERY addictive... but I've been thinkin about giving second life a try.

Thanks for reminding me about this game OP,
and even if we don't have an ATS island or anything, I still think ATS players hanging out together would be cool. I'll get back to this thread if/when I dload secondlife and see if anyone wants to meet up.

By the way, some of you are coming off as techno-phobic, pessimistic, all kinds of things

If the idea of inolving a message board with an online game is scary or ridiculous, I don't know what to tell you. Almost every major forum on the internet creates a 'clan' or 'guild' of players within online games. It's a very effective way of tightening the community.

But then again, most of these forums are full of younger users who are totally down with MMO games. I know ATS to be a much more adult-oriented no-nonsense kind of site.