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Originally posted by OBE1
Originally posted by Peyres
I fail to see how people in Tehran will perish if the West knocks out nuclear facilities that aren't even in Tehran.
Hello Peyres...If you are referring to my segway to the video, 'Those we want to kill', I agree that I should have been more careful with my wording. Perhaps 'Those we would kill' would have been more appropriate. My apologies.
I'm not claiming that there will be an attack, and I sincerely hope there isn't. However if an attack did occur, then defense suppression would be a primary element. I'm not privy to the locations of fixed Iranian missile defence systems, but I am aware that the Russians began shipping the new Tor-M1 mobile systems to Tehran this past November. How many will be deployed close to population centers? I can't say with any certainty...but I am confident that we'll attempt to take them out...where ever they are...collateral damage or not.
An attack that would effectively set Iran's nuclear intentions back five years, would involve hundreds and hundreds of sorties across an estimated five to eight days...it's not just about the core nuclear facilities which are spread across the country, but radar facilities, munitions depots, command & control centers, and approximately 10 air bases. R&D and production facilities for Iran’s medium-range ballistic missile programme would also be priority targets, as well as the locations where the actual mobile missiles are deployed...and this is really a partial list of critical assets.
Targets specifically located in and around Tehran proper would include; the Tehran Research Reactor, the radioisotope production facility, a range of nuclear-related laboratories and the Kalaye Electric Company. I believe I already mentioned university laboratories and their related technology centres in a previous post.
Still, not everyone in Iran resides in the capitol...and I haven't even mentioned the possibility of radioactive material being lofted into the air...and the resulting contamination.
I would be surprised if wide scale collateral damage isn't inevitable. I remember Lebanon this past summer...and I still haven't forgotten Shock & Awe.
[edit on 19-2-2007 by OBE1]
Originally posted by malganis
You make a good point LudaChris, that a superpower has responsibilities but isn't always going to be able to please everyone.
Ok a lot of people think that China will be a new superpower within this century or even this half of the century. Do you think that they will be involved in world issues as much as USA is? e.g. leading invasions in search of WMDs/terrorists, giving as much foreign aid, etc.
Originally posted by Peyres
Yes I agree, unfortunately Iran is bound to use its civilian population centres as a Shield. It has been done in Iraq, done in Kosovo etc, and to be honest it is sickening, and it is another indication of how under-hand the current Iranian reigeme is. It will match their efforts in Iraq. Demonise the West by using sacrificial civilians to do
You look at Western cities in comparison, there are next to no millitary targets. London is getting rid of all but 2 bases. Northwood HQ (which is where the Iraq war is run) and RAF Northolt (they cart the queen and government officials across the globe). Whilst they could be considered high value targets by both terrorists or an attacking force, they are located in the less densley populated suburbs.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy on Tuesday said it had no information to substantiate a market rumor that Iran had fired at a U.S. naval vessel in the Gulf.
"Navy has nothing to substantiate that report right now," a Navy official said. "At this juncture, there is no validity to it."
"We have no information at this time that indicates any incident taking place," said White House National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe.
The U.S. Navy on Tuesday began its largest demonstration of force in the Persian Gulf since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, led by a pair of aircraft carriers and backed by warplanes flying simulated attack maneuvers off the coast of Iran.
The maneuvers bring together two strike groups of U.S. warships and more than 100 U.S. warplanes to conduct simulated air warfare in the crowded Gulf shipping lanes.
Originally posted by Neon Haze
All ready a post on this
Are we hours away from war with Iran??
Originally posted by mikesingh
Thanks to you too, Neon!!
This is a continuation of my thread dated 17 feb 2007, "Has The Final Countdown Begun"?
Your thread is dated 24th March, more than a month later!! Anyway, in my thread, I've laid stress on the military aspects of the 'impending' showdown.
But as I mentioned earlier, D-Day will be anytime AFTER the so called 'surge' in troops to Iraq has been completed. And that's already under way!
Top up your tanks guys. Oil will shoot up to $100 a barrel sooner than you think! So keep those extra barrels in your garage, full to the brim. You're going to need them!
Originally posted by mikesingh
Isn’t it surprising that only the U.S. and Israel, and a few minor allies have the ‘authority’ to possess nuclear warheads? The biggest stockpiles are in the U.S. and Israel, with neither allowing the International Atomic Inspection group, to inspect their major sites either in the U.S. or at any military sites in Europe or in the Far East or the Middle East and Israel in Dimona. Of course, the U.S. does not dare push China on this issue because China has its stockpile as well as Russia—but we never hear of these countries being a “threat”. Why?
America’s transgressions in the world will utterly destroy their reputation as a world moral leader, as a country to be believed to foster democracy and freedom.
They will be a laughing stock, not only to foreign powers, but also to their own people who have the good sense to see the absurdity of their posture vs their rhetoric of “freedom and democracy.” Can one forget Agent Orange and the cancers it caused in the Vietnamese or the deforestation of Viet Nam and the vast destruction of its rice fields—all in the name of “democracy and freedom”—for who?
This madness of the present administration will paint America darkly for decades and perhaps centuries to come if ordinary Americans themselves don’t stop this…
Originally posted by el_madmaster
Aside from Iran halting sales, who knows what Iran's ally, Venezuela would do? What if they both switched to the Euro for trading?
Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez is directing a growing share of the country's oil profits into euros as the dollar and crude prices fall.
The dollar, down 9.5 percent against the euro this year, may face more pressure in 2007 because Venezuela and oil producers from the United Arab Emirates to Indonesia plan to funnel more money into the single European currency.
Originally posted by carolina1737
Of course the US is going to attack Iran! Of course that is why oil prices are going down, because if they attack Iran oil will go up to 175 or more!! The people controlling oil really don't want to completely stop the American consumer with an even bigger price spike when the attack drives oil up a certain percentage. They are artificially deflating the price of oil to send it right back up where it used to be. (