posted by Royal76
subz: The only people being beheaded, etc are by our friendly neighborhood radical Muslims. (A) The only wupping the United States of America has ever
taken was by themselves [alluding to the Civil War?].
(B) Korea - Lack of vision by a President who pulled MacArthur. (C) Vietnam - Started by the French and screwed up by a President who refused to
actually fight the war. . (D) the rest have been skirmishes that were not wars. If at any time we had actually wanted all out war, we would have won.
[Edited by Don W]
(A) I wish we Americans would not use “Muslims, Islam” and other religious terms so disparagingly. It helps feed the ignorant notion of a war of
cultures, a war of civilizations, a war of religions as advocated by B43.
(B) A long time ago we said we lost more men in the Civil War than in all other wars combined. Here’s my count: War of 1775-1783, 15,000. War of
1812-1814, 10,000. War of 1846-1848, 5,000. The War of the Rebellion, a/k/a Civil War, 650,000. The Great Plains War on the Indians, about 2,000.
Spanish American War, 1898-1899, 5,000. War of the Philippine Insurrection, 1900-1905, 2,000. [We distinctly lost that war which was waged against
Muslims on Mindanao wanting independence from Catholic Manila. It goes on today.] First World War, 1917-1918, 135,000. War on the Red Russians,
1920-1922, about 2,000. [We were allied with the UK and Japan here. It also failed.] More than 25 armed incursions by our “enforcers” the USMC,
into many Central American republics, China and Haiti, the last which we occupied from 1918 to 1933, and about which we still “boast” is the
poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere. About 2,000 men KIA. Second World War, 450,000. Korean War, 45,000. Our part in Vietnam’s “10,000
Days War of Liberation,” 59,000. Granada, Panama, Somalia, and other unknown involvements around the world, about 250. Gulf War 1, about 120 men.
Mostly by “friendly fire.” Afghan, about 300. So far. The Second Punitive Expedition to Iraq, 3,140 KIA and counting. I can safely predict the
last American fighting man will leave Iraq by late spring, 2008. I wonder who will get the “distinction” of being the last man killed in Iraq?
Should we erect a monument to him? Perhaps in Crawford, Texas? Pay his survivors the now standard $1 million? What do you think?
The number is 628,000 at the end of War 2. But, adding the Korean total brings the total to 673,000, thus exceeding the total of Civil War dead. Note:
only 240,000 men were KIA, the remainder were WIA, sick or diseased and died in hospital or died in prison camps.
(C) In November, 1950, 5 star Gen. MacArthur wanted to nuke the Chi-Coms. Mao had just won the civil war over Chiang Kai Chek in late 1949, and Mac
saw this as an opportunity to reverse Mao’s win and put China in its proper place. The Russkies had just detonated their first atom bomb in 1949 and
so, would not have enough bombs to really pose a counter threat to the US. Truman, who in 1945 had ordered the atom bombing of Japan as his first
great decision after becoming president did not want to do it again. He fired Mac for disobeying orders relating to the Yalu River.
(D) Ho Chi Minh was offered independence for Vietnam after War 2, by the OSS, if he would wage guerilla war against the occupying Japanese who had
gained control of French Indo China from the Vichy Government. Ho did just that and kept 3-4 divisions of Japanese soldiers out of the war. As Tito
had done in Yugoslavia against Germany. After the liberation of France in 1945, the Socialist government under Pierre Mendes France consented to the
arrangement. Shortly thereafter, that government fell and war hero Charles deGaulle’s anti-socialist Christian (say Catholic) Democratic Party
gained control and reneged on the deal. After making the classic military blunder - not securing the high ground - the French Foreign Legion - mostly
ex-War 2 Germans - was bested at Dien Bien Phu. Americans were beguiled by the Dulles Brothers - John Foster as Secretary of State and Allen W. as
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency - who persuaded Gen. Eisenhower - then president - that the Domino Theory required we - the US - defend
the French interest in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. 59,000 KIA later, we decided the Domino Theory was not so bad after all.
(E) Denial is not a river in Egypt.
[edit on 2/20/2007 by donwhite]