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My Abduction\Time Travel Experience

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posted on Feb, 22 2007 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by BallOfPopulation
Southpaw does this in every thread Timedrifter. He thinks Job was an abductee and that the aliens are just trying to divert our attention from Jesus so we'll stray blah blah bible thumping stuff. Yes, I HAVE read the book of Job and did not see anything more than good/evil fairytales. Sounds just like the Iliad, the Odyssey, the King Arthur stories, and Beowulf. Ancient fantasy.


YES! I could NOT have stated this better myself. NOW... NOT "bible thumping" stuff. THAT is ridiculous and I have NOT attempted nor asked ANYONE in here to "take christ". So, in reality, are you not just convenientlly grouping ME with those with whom you've actually interacted and disagreed? Bro, your opinion matters...

STAND YOUR GROUND ON THAT POINT... but don't make yourself ugly by doing it in a manner that has to make ANYONE else look "bad" in order to shine a light upon yourself... there can be NO good in that... No matter WHAT you believe... Stick to the SCIENCE. PROVE I am wrong. Apply YOUR OWN RULES TO YOU TOO. Disprove the Bible could possibly have ANY scientific implication... THAT is what you must do... NOT jump into some socio studystyle grouping that is somehow elevated to a stature that is allowed to pass judgement over EVERYONE'S beliefs... See what I mean, bro?

SHOW ME ... DON'T TELL ME. Otherwise... don't we ALL look the fool?

We have GOT to SEPARATE THE PEOPLE FROM THE PROBLEM or else we justs ain't gonna get there...

See... Whether I believe in God or not... whether YOU beleive in God or not... is IRRELEVENT to the FOUR YEAR OLD LITTE GIRL in Kansas that just got RAPED tonite by a MIB. Or the lady named Diane Fisher that sometimes calls into Coast to Coast late at night that everybody thinks is CRAZY! Or one of my Marines who has been getting his A** KCKED by ET for the past two weeks now... And that's nothing "special"... before that it was a guy that is former DEA... one of my guys that ends up with puncture wounds in his arms in the morning... bruising all over... wakes up smelling like he played an entire hockey game...

For those people... MY faith and YOURS really don't mean SQUAT do they?

And ya know somethin else? For the guy who came in here to get answers... YOUR faith doesn't mean SQUAT and neither does MINE... because right now he thinks there's some government conspiracy about the whole thing... That covert US doctors are messing with him...

THAT is a SCREENSAVER. YOU say there's NO PROOF.

HERE...

281.893.1666. THAT is the number to an investigator whom I believe MAY... not certain here... but MAY know just a wee bit more than YOU about this subject.

Call him. Talk to him. Ask your BEST questions.

Are you of Irish, Celtic, or Native American descent? If you ARE... I bet you find out your also an abductee before you get off the phone with him...

YIKES!





He thinks aliens are evil and are tring to slowely destroy us via genetic abnormalities, even though there is no proof for that and much more proof that human-made environmental toxins are the culprit, and no logic, because ET's could easily get rid of us in a flash if the wanted to.


Don't you mean there's no proof right in front of your face, right now? Is that not a more accurate statement that is more fortified in REALITY? I mean... YOU have seen ALL evidence, and are simply THAT certain that you are right?

Man... confidence like THAT alone is scary isn't it? Likewise, is it NOT the same thing of which you accuse me? Just wanna make certain we're seeing ALL the angles here, folks....

AND... are you NOT assuming that the environmental toxins are merely a consequence of "business as usual" on Earth? And NO that does NOT necessarily mean ET takes toxins and dumps them... STOP THINKING IN BLACK AND WHITE... bro... save yourself some PAIN... there's a million shades of GRAY...




I think he subscribes to the Sim's theory of ET's, where they are all out to get us. Except he inserts his own theory about the bible and the demonic nature of ET's, which is obviously what he wants to think. It would be best to ignore his ranting unless he actually asks some real questions.


WOW. NICE JOB. IS THIS WHAT THEY MEAN BY GOVENMENT MULE?

*evilgrin*

Again. Show me YOUR credentials. And as my consultant, I will put forward those of Derrel Sims. And then as the armchair warriors all come out to analyze... let us see just WHO might have a better rounded knowledge of "alien abduction".

Look, bro... I'm not gonna snap and look "looney"... I'm not "fishbait" like some that cruise around the internet. The information, the study, the knowledge, that's been made available to me is something I feel important enough to start sharing with humanity.

The negativity you just conveyed... whether YOU realize it or not is the reason you will see those "shadow thingys" in your house... IF you have seen them...

To those who HAVE seen them... confirm the "research" for me.... they nose around the house... the look as though they are running their hands over everything ... picking things up... putting them down... ABSORBING something...

Could it be negativity? HMMMMM.... WHAT is that "energy" called...

See... we couldn't even FLY 100 years ago... and NOW somebody that is bold enough to THRASH a 40 year veteren investigator's repuation, theories, and hypotheses without throwing his OWN resume up there FIRST is shredding a thread where a LEGITIMATE ABDUCTEE is LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.

You're not helping him. We're not getting him closer to truth... no... we are embroiling him in more conflict... in more confusion...

YOU don't have the answer... do you? If NOT, then how could YOU possibly KNOW whether WE DO OR NOT?

Seriously... THAT is a legitimate question, and I'd like it answered. I'm here to get answers... convey what we've learned... and offer moral support along the way... not fight with people about whether or not God exists... THAT is YOUR battle... not mine.

Respectfully

SP

[edit on 17-2-2007 by BallOfPopulation]




posted on Feb, 22 2007 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by Southpaw11

YES! I could NOT have stated this better myself. NOW... NOT "bible thumping" stuff. THAT is ridiculous and I have NOT attempted nor asked ANYONE in here to "take christ". So, in reality, are you not just convenientlly grouping ME with those with whom you've actually interacted and disagreed? Bro, your opinion matters...


Your opinion matters, it is not a FACT, nor a basis for truth. And you have stated several times that you think aliens are demonic and that people should 'read the bible like a scientist'.

Question: have you read ANY other religious or historical text? Do you think THEY are correct as well, or only the bible?



STAND YOUR GROUND ON THAT POINT... but don't make yourself ugly by doing it in a manner that has to make ANYONE else look "bad" in order to shine a light upon yourself... there can be NO good in that... No matter WHAT you believe... Stick to the SCIENCE. PROVE I am wrong. Apply YOUR OWN RULES TO YOU TOO. Disprove the Bible could possibly have ANY scientific implication... THAT is what you must do.
SHOW ME ... DON'T TELL ME. Otherwise... don't we ALL look the fool?


I will say the same back to you. Prove YOU are right, prove the bible ISN'T fiction. All you give is your opinion, and then state it as a fact, and then ask enigmatic questions. GET TO THE POINT. Stop talking in repetitive long winded circles, the only one here who needs to prove themselves is YOU, because you are the one claiming to be right.


See... Whether I believe in God or not... whether YOU beleive in God or not... is IRRELEVENT to the FOUR YEAR OLD LITTE GIRL in Kansas that just got RAPED tonite by a MIB. Or the lady named Diane Fisher that sometimes calls into Coast to Coast late at night that everybody thinks is CRAZY! Or one of my Marines who has been getting his A** KCKED by ET for the past two weeks now... And that's nothing "special"... before that it was a guy that is former DEA... one of my guys that ends up with puncture wounds in his arms in the morning... bruising all over... wakes up smelling like he played an entire hockey game...


Stop talking, start proving. Prove ANY of this is true. Prove you aren't making it up, prove that these people aren't making it up.



THAT is a SCREENSAVER. YOU say there's NO PROOF.

HERE...

281.893.1666. THAT is the number to an investigator whom I believe MAY... not certain here... but MAY know just a wee bit more than YOU about this subject.

Call him. Talk to him. Ask your BEST questions.


Prove it. Prove this investigator is legit, say who they are, prove that this investigator isn't YOU. You put forth the claims, you need to put forth the PROOF. Get on it. Are YOU Derrel Sims, are you WORKING for him? Hmm.. suspicious.



Are you of Irish, Celtic, or Native American descent? If you ARE... I bet you find out your also an abductee before you get off the phone with him...


MANY people in America have Irish bloodlines and Indian bloodlines, many of these same people have not been abducted. You act as if EVEN IF YOU SAY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABDUCTED AND HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF BEING ABDUCTED, THAT YOU WERE ABDUCTED ANYWAY BECAUSE ITS A SCREENSAVER ZOMG OHNOES! Please, no matter what then, with that logic, EVERYONES BEEN ABDUCTED!



Don't you mean there's no proof right in front of your face, right now? Is that not a more accurate statement that is more fortified in REALITY? I mean... YOU have seen ALL evidence, and are simply THAT certain that you are right?


Isn't that EXACTLY what you claim yourself? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm saying you haven't proven that YOU ARE, and you are the one claiming to be right.



AND... are you NOT assuming that the environmental toxins are merely a consequence of "business as usual" on Earth? And NO that does NOT necessarily mean ET takes toxins and dumps them... STOP THINKING IN BLACK AND WHITE... bro... save yourself some PAIN... there's a million shades of GRAY...


I would say that it us YOU that are thinking in black and white. Aren't you the one with the notion that all aliens must be evil? Is that not completely black? Look at yourself for a second, brother. Stop yapping, start proving.




Again. Show me YOUR credentials. And as my consultant, I will put forward those of Derrel Sims. And then as the armchair warriors all come out to analyze... let us see just WHO might have a better rounded knowledge of "alien abduction".


So.... he's the ONLY specialist who could POSSIBLY be right, despite all of the other people involved in this field? THERE IS MORE TO THIS THAN ABDUCTIONS, FIGURE IT OUT. You only hurt YOURSELF when you become so narrow minded.



YOU don't have the answer... do you? If NOT, then how could YOU possibly KNOW whether WE DO OR NOT?


How many times am I going to have to say it. YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING TO HAVE THE ANSWERS, and I'm saying you have not proven it. Am I saying EVERYTHING you say is wrong? NO. But you refuse to look anywhere but where you will find what you want to hear, YOU assume you know, not I.


Seriously... THAT is a legitimate question, and I'd like it answered. I'm here to get answers... convey what we've learned... and offer moral support along the way... not fight with people about whether or not God exists... THAT is YOUR battle... not mine.


When the HELL was I talking about whether GOD exists here sir? That is your doing, YOU brought religion into this. Once again, you don't see anything that YOU are doing to hold back truth, only everyone elses faults. Everyone wants truth, but DO NOT ASSUME YOU KNOW IT FROM SCRAPS OF EVIDENCE, how about researching Steven Greer? How about James Gilliland? Will you ONLY listen to what you want to hear? Things may not be so BLACK and WHITE.

Think about it. Certainly some aliens could be hostile, certainly some could be very angelic. But you only see one side of spectrum. Open YOUR eyes.

SP, YOU need to prove your RIGHT. I don't need to prove your wrong.

And if you're going to use 'the bible' as any sort of proof for your theory, PROVE THE BIBLE IS NOT FICTION OR PARTIALLY FICTION. Can you do this? You have not so far. Then prove your interpretations are plausible, and not that YOU are interpreting what you WANT to be true from what you're reading.

-respectfully
BoP



posted on Feb, 22 2007 @ 09:21 AM
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BoP

THAT was an OUTSTANDING response. And this is either going to enrage you even MORE ... OR... it's going to give you piece of mind.

THAT PASSION is what I am AFTER in here. THAT perseverence. THAT persistance.

YES! I MAY BE JUST AS WRONG AS YOU!!! OR YOU may be just as wrong as ME...

OR...

Get this one...

WHAT IF... we are BOTH right? What IF every single whacko story that you hear in this joint IS true??? BUT... not the way you think it is... ???


YOUR POINTS ARE VALID.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO BROUGHT RELIGION INTO THIS.


This exchange is one that looks "heated". NOW that we have PASSION contained in a box...

THIS is where THEY want US to go AWRY. We have a choice. We can "agree to disagree" as MANY have stated here...

OR...

We can WORK TOGETHER.

NO OPTION IS EXCLUDED. NO THEORY IS "STUPID". THAT is the approach that MUST be implemented. I cannot show YOU and everyone else something you MUST find on your own.

I guess what I'm saying brother, is that I'm hoping we can ALL get outside the box. I am NOT Derrel Sims! LOL... man... THAT would be somethin'.

You do realize Sims is also a Biblical Scholar right? I mean SERIOUS business, not "armchair" crap. His circles include those knowledgeable in the "ancient knowledge". They are to THIS what a PODIATRIST is to the FOOT. They may NOT have ALL the answers... but it is certtainly safe to conclude they have a more educated comprehension than you or I, no?

BoP... YOU are a passionate human being... I really feel You when I read what you write... YOU have a HIGH VIBRATION. Recognition of FREEWILL is something we do daily yet do not believe it. And you just did it again...

I'm going to go back and respond to your reply as soon as I get some time... It DESERVES MERIT. YOU have CRACKED THE SHELL.

I realize the "strange comments" the "speaking in tongues"... YIKES. I want to apologize for that but I can't... it's not "calcullated" it's part of my explanation... and I KNOW how NUTS that sounds TOO, b/c I was saying the same thing about:

DERREL SIMS
JOHN MACK
STANTON FRIEDMAN
ALEC HYNAK
LINDA MOULTON HOWE
DAVID SEREDA
KEN KLEIN
STEVEN GREER
PATRICK HERRON
ZECHARIA SITCHIN
JIM MARRS
ALEX JONES
JIM SPARKS
DAVID JACOBS
SETH SHOSTAK
BUZZ ALDRIN
EDGAR MITCHELL
JASON MARTELL
BROOKS AGNEW
JEROME CORSI
GEORGE KNAPP
GLENN KIMBALL
JOHN HOGUE
TIMOTHY GOOD

THESE are only SOME of the researchers/investigators to which we referred to get our "opinion" on this whole thing. Look, man... someday, I hope to SHOW you the "REAL DEAL". Right now I've got DEA, USMC, USN, Civilian guys galore that ARE abductees.

You ask for proof. I'm going to let you HOLD ME TO THAT. But I also need YOU to undertand that these are PEOPLE. NOT "proof". Do you really understand that? I'm sorry if that sounds RUDE, but I MUST ascertain this fact.

I am NOT going to put people into the caldron that is created here for people like FrozenThought, Hiii_98, IA, etc... These ARE real experiences.

We are looking for a BLACK AND WHITE answer... THAT is what I was trying to convey to you bro... I guess I could have stated that a little better for ya!

In fact... It might be NEAT to have the folks that HAVE been referred to Derrel Sims from THIS site come in and talk about their experiences sometime... Of course, ALL those people are only in the beginning stages of communicating with him right now. He's a TEXAN and I was born in The NORTH... a YANKEE through and through... so NO, I'm not Derrel Sims... LOL!

Likewise, THESE people are part of an ongoing investigation. They have LIVES, CAREERS, FAMILIES.. etc. AT STAKE. Which do you think is going to be MORE important to THEM? Appeasing YOUR thirst for TRUTH... or protecting THEIR families?

Some of these "proofs" have CHILDREN that are being abducted. So, let me ask you, should the lives of those children be blasted all over the internet so that YOU can see PROOF of MIB semen? Of ALIEN RAPE? Or should we protect the INNOCENCE of that CHILD?

This is VERY Real. It's NOT easy to get a grasp on what is REALLY going on for ANY OF US.... we're ALL looking at a computer screen.... NOT the eyes of another human being... where you can FIND TRUTH.

Get this... does ANYONE here REALLY believe that if someone like Michael Lee Hill can't come HERE and get SUPPORT... then WHY would the rest come and even ASK? We're chasing abductees away, without even KNOWING IT.

You DO realize that these people are already SCARED as it is, right?

LOL.. I'll get to your post ASAP.

Again, VERY well done... I appreciate the challenge... I wish I could just upload my head to yours like the little stinkmonkeys, but hey... we're not quite there yet, I guess... LOL!

PS- NOT "demonic". Again, your definitions are skewed. The demons have their own happy little home until the end... The gray is a biomechanical enitity that is the "ranch hand".

And YES I DO say that like I KNOW it because I DO. LOL! And THAT sounds CRAZY to everyone but the person SAYING it.

Tell me... WHEN will we step back and analyze JUST THAT FACT ALONE? WHEN will ATS stop crying out for the "prety lights" so they can all say they are airplanes and feel SAFE again? We NEED to start FOCUSING on what happened AFTER the pretty lights.

Again... FORTY YEARS experience compared to YOUR how many years of HARDCORE research? Compared to MY how many years of research? NOT even CLOSE to that guy.

Don't you realize that psychologically... ATS is "protecting the skies for humanity"? You don't see that though, do you?

THAT is what I am HERE. I want to help.

By the way...

WHAT, exactly, IS the "smoking gun"? Did you guys figure that out yet? Because it seems to hold this magical mystical status on ATS... the ...."SMOKING ... GUN......"

BABIES, Folks... little girls... pretty little girls... little playful boys... kids NOT unlike YOUR OWN.... THAT is who we are talking about... not a box of crap found in an alleyway on CSI.

Just a thought... I'll get to that reply as soon as I can... again... GREAT WORK!

SPout


[edit on 22/202/07 by Southpaw11]



posted on Feb, 22 2007 @ 10:25 AM
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That was a bit rude to give directions without making them very clear. If you havn't found Job....here is easy access.

job

I havn't read that for a while, so I will give it another go.

That bit about resonance....my gut feeling, which is quite accurate and has been proven time and again, is that the Egyptian Light bulb was a healing device that used resonance. I feel that this and what Dr Rife was working on are one in the same.

light bulb?

What do you think. Most people can't see it, because they don't think.....that it is possible.

In fact all the things shown on the ICA stones are considered not possible according to the scholars.

ica



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posted on Feb, 22 2007 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by funky monk
I dont know if you have looked at society lately but anyone and I mean anyone who sits there are says they believe in ETs or timetravel or anit-grav tec or what ever is looked down upon. Ive met people who looked down upon me after saying I believed in ETs. Plus not everyone knows about this boards and doesnt have a place to get out what they know.
Oh and sorry for not reading the thread, people like that make me kinda angry.
hey no problem, I agree, I have said something along those lines in my audio sessions, I think alot of people are programmed by society and what it tries to dictate. I think that is gonna change real soon though!


Originally posted by win 52
That was a bit rude to give directions without making them very clear. If you havn't found Job....here is easy access.

job

I havn't read that for a while, so I will give it another go.

That bit about resonance....my gut feeling, which is quite accurate and has been proven time and again, is that the Egyptian Light bulb was a healing device that used resonance. I feel that this and what Dr Rife was working on are one in the same.

light bulb?

What do you think. Most people can't see it, because they don't think.....that it is possible.

In fact all the things shown on the ICA stones are considered not possible according to the scholars.

ica
I agree, I think the egyptian bulbs did more than just create light, to me the hyrogliphics show quite clearly what was going on, the trouble is people take "the expert" word for it, who interpreted it as the final answer. thats why people need to question everything I guess. but I agree and egypt is very much part of my story, I think I was there too.



posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 02:28 AM
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You have a very cool story happening. I love hearing stories like that.



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by timedrifter
you merit no justification for me to supply proof and again, are you worth proving it to?


Well, if you don't think so, obviously not, eh?




Originally posted by timedrifter
has anyone proved any bible to you? please.


No. No one has proved "1984", "Naked Lunch", "Crime and Punishment" or "Big Sur" either, come to think of it, no one has tried to prove any work of fiction to me! Right! Where's that conspiracy forum!?

Actually, to be honest, of course people have tried to prove the Bible to me, although Britain is becoming more and more secular we are still taught about The Bible and the Trinity at primary school but I am proud to say I was able to see The Bible for what it really is, a bunch of semi interesting fictional stories.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 10:56 AM
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funky, thank you for your post!! I know timedrifter has read it, but has been involved in a lot of stuff lately to respond sooner.

I wanted to update and say that he and I are working on a timeline of significant events that have occurred over his lifetime of which there are many (and he's only 33!). These events have involved witnesses, but he has just recently began remembering and notating all of these experiences.

This timeline will lend a lot of credibility to his story, and we hope to post a simplified version of it here, as well as in a post I created myself entitled, "If you could ask a time traveler a question...?" (LINK)

So keep an eye out for the timeline, which we hope to have posted here soon (a matter of days...). This timeline will also be placed at his personal website and will grow as we add to it...

The story continues to unfold...

Thank you very much for posting!!

Peace!



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by triplesod

Originally posted by timedrifter
you merit no justification for me to supply proof and again, are you worth proving it to?


Well, if you don't think so, obviously not, eh?




Originally posted by timedrifter
has anyone proved any bible to you? please.


No. No one has proved "1984", "Naked Lunch", "Crime and Punishment" or "Big Sur" either, come to think of it, no one has tried to prove any work of fiction to me! Right! Where's that conspiracy forum!?

Actually, to be honest, of course people have tried to prove the Bible to me, although Britain is becoming more and more secular we are still taught about The Bible and the Trinity at primary school but I am proud to say I was able to see The Bible for what it really is, a bunch of semi interesting fictional stories.


LOL! And you wouldn't be alone in that regard. I used to believe that as well. And the next line people expect to hear is "then I found God..."... but actually... LOL!

THAT is when I met THE ALIENHUNTER! LOL! Yep. That's when I got legitimate explanations for events from my youth, my adulthood... explanations about things I NEVER would have even THOUGHT were related... That's when I found out just who "Mr. Gray" really is... what we REALLY know, in the civilian world, anyway, about them and their capabilities... That's when I learned that the reason I have been convinced. ALL MY LIFE that Bigfoot really was in my bedroom... is b/c he was. period.

Have you thought, as well, about what you might feel like if you found out you were WRONG? Seriously. All kidding aside. Have you? Just curious.

WHAT IF...

We don't KNOW the truth?
We got CHEATED out of CRITICAL DATA?
Quantum Physics PROVES God exists?
The Sumerian texts DO matter?
Job WAS an abductee?
The gray is really trying to get you to ISOLATE yourself?
The Human Genome Project is RIGHT about Junk DNA being of Extraterrestrial Origin?
FrozenThought REALL IS an abductee?
Christ really DID send the asteroid that is going to strike the Earth in 2036?
What if IMMACULATE CONCEPTION just meant "fetal implant"?
What if the Star of Bethlehem was ALSO one of the lights that's just an airplane in FrozenThought's thread?
YOU WERE WRONG?!?!?!?!?

yikes. Kinda scary, eh? LOL!

Say it... LOL...

What if I was wrong? THAT DOES NOT FEEL GOOD!



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by funky monk
You have a very cool story happening. I love hearing stories like that.
hey thanks funky monk, are you part of project camelot.org?

triplesod,
you can volunteer to time travel in the link onthedeck supplied if you want proof.

southpaw,
I've gone cross-eyed! your post confuse me a little bit there, but rock on!

onthedeck,
thanks for your awsome work my friend!!




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