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Blind Eye To CIA Op's Condemned

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posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 10:02 AM
The EU Parliament has condemned some of the EU member states position on CIA Operation's within the EU. It appears that against better judgment some EU members chose to ignore the illegal practices taking place within their borders.

The report, which deplores the passivity of some Member States in the face of illegal CIA operations, as well as the lack of co-operation from the EU Council of Ministers, was approved by a majority of 382 against 256 with 74 abstentions.

The report notes that the renditions investigated by the committee “in the majority of cases involved incommunicado detention and torture” during interrogations, as was confirmed by the victims - or their lawyers - who gave testimony to the the Parliament's committee on CIA activities in Europe. According to the testimony of former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, the exchange of intelligence obtained under torture by third countries' secret services to the British services was a practice known and tolerated by the UK government

The report also recommends that all European countries should have "specific national laws to regulate and monitor the activities of third countries' secret services on their national territories"; moreover, it advises, over-flight clearances for military and/or police aircraft should be granted "only if accompanied by guarantees that human rights will be respected". In the meantime, a "ban or system of inspections" should be introduced "for all CIA-operated aircraft known or suspected to have been involved in extraordinary rendition".

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

It's about time the EU Parliament showed some backbone with it's role in Europe, I for one am disgusted that the practices the CIA conducted in EU member states were ignored. If Russia or China were to send secret services into the EU to kidnap EU citizens and possibly torture them and give them no right to a fair trial there would be a huge outcry and it would be classed as a severe Diplomatic incident. Just look at the recent outcry to the alleged murder of a former KGB operative on UK soil by the Kremlin.

The EU needs to start asserting it's independence, for too long has the USA relied on Europe's submissive nature. The USA and EU relationship seems more and more a "one way" relationship.

The relationship between the EU and the USA is becoming weaker and weaker with each passing year, EU citizens are becoming less and less favourable of the USA. EU citizens have a history of the most destructive wars in history and they are tired of it and the Bush admistrations apparent blood lust makes most Europeans sick, the last leader in the world who was intent on spreading his country's values on others by means of force was Adolf Hitler. I believe that the relationship with the USA is a destructive one for the EU!

Related News Links:
BBC report, streaming video
Official EU report in .doc format

[edit on 14/2/07 by Jimmy1880]

posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 07:57 PM
Thanks for bringing the topic, Jimmy. All possible focus should be on, and it should be discussed widely. I can only agree with your conclusion.

Also that cross Atlantic relations are changing. Spirits on each side is drifting further and further apart. And the U.S. is taken advantages. Bullying, if you ask me.

Unfortunately it's an issue disliked by most Americans, incl those fellow members here on ATS. Issues like this is deemed bush-bashing, but they're fully legitimated in my opinion.

When I was younger --and it's so long ago that the cold war was deep frozen-- I used to have nightmares of missiles haulling down over my known neighbourhood. It was horrible.

I don't have nightmares anymore, but I do have visions, and one is of the US and EU fighting a war against eachother. God forbid it.

But as things are developing, the attitudes, the mentality of Euroes and Americans (some) becoming further and further apart, the risque is certain to be present in the coming decade.

I don't hope it is so, that our common values are splitting, each going their own way.

It is kind of a paradox, like the Israelies are going nazi in insisting on judaism, the Americans are going stalinist in their insisting on capitalism (I don't buy the "democracy" bogus).

I don't know any other way than to confront and discuss those issues, hieghten the awareness, because I never believed the people of America wanted things like they've become ...or will go.

Anyway I did a thread on this report, when it was preliminary released in November.

posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 08:43 PM
Thankyou for the reply Khunmoon,

It is my generation that was the last to remember the cold war in childhood, I was 8 when the Berlin wall came down but I still remember the drills we did at school with the air raid siren screeching.

I am now posted in Germany with the British army, our Garrisons in Germany of course a living monument to the cold war where Germany was going to be a battlefield should the USSR ever have invaded.

The viewpoints of people in Europe and the viewpoints of people in America have changed immensly since the end of communism. Although the British government sends people like myself into Iraq doesn't mean I want it and the British public are also strongly against the war, there is no worse feeling than that feeling of being servants to another country. If people stateside do not know, following bush into the Iraq war cost Tony Blair any chance of ever being realected infact it is likely his party will loose the next election.

Myself and my comrades all took the same oath as we joined and that was to protect Queen and Country, i did not swear to give my life if need be for America's reliable source of oil. The price of life some of my friends have given.

In Germany I have made friends with the locals and the anti-american (Government) feeling is even more evident. Germany has seen two world wars and was "officially" occupied by foreign forces untill 1995. (We are only there now under agreement) The German people have the view that war should only happen if 100% neccessary.

I also envisage a time when the EU has relations with the USA that are similar to USA's realations to Russia and China. I think this because the EU is peeling further away from the USA and it is current American doctrine of "Your with us or your against us" that shows the USA's stance on foreign country's that don't comply.

It could all be quite grey for the USA in the not so different future, but maybe isolating herself from the rest of the world might be a blessing in disguise as it will give her time to reflect and re-establish a constructive postion as a world super power.

Be safe

posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 09:36 PM
Thanks for sharing, Jimmy.

I was 14 when the Berlin wall came up, and my political awareness starts about there. I've lived through the cold war and it has definately shaped me. Being from a Scandinavian country boardering Germany I know all about it. I think it was in 1957 I went down through Germany for the first time. It was nothing but rubbles and ruins then.

Given the position of my country, most people abstracted from the peril of its geo-strategic placement, indulging in television on consumption becoming the life style in the sixties. Sorry, not me, I couldn't abstract being too much aware. Many were the times I asked myself, why i wasn't born ignorant most people are. No, I can't say my childhood was happy.

Hopes, endless hopes of a better world I was brought up on... and we all believed them. But as time have shown there was no change of heart, or it wasn't enough to prevail.

So to speak I'm a child of WW2, and as such I'm bound to be a fan of America. If not for them I would have lived my life in a totalitarian regime. So yes, Im grateful for America, and I still am. That's why it hurts so much more what's going on today.

I don't have to tell you the feelings I have about my country still being part of the gang of the willing. It shames me, as it does the majority of people in Denmark.

Our own neo-con butthead is a real yes-man, just out of the head of George double trouble. Funny enough, when he came into power in 2001 he declared Tony Blair as his rolemodel.

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