SLC Utah Shooter was Muslim? Does it matter?

Originally posted by orangetom1999
I dont particularly like the site but I am curious as to if the information in the charts of that site(religionofpeace.com) is incorrect?? Do you know??
I am also curious as to what qualifies this site as a racist website?? Do you know this too?? I havent seen them speak out against a race of people so I am curious about this too. I see them speaking out against a religion which does not appear to be as it advertises itself.

I have no clue as to the validity of that site but any site that picks and chooses from a specific creed,race,color should be considered racist.

I am also aware that since the Olympic Killings back in 1972 of what many of these terrorist types are capable. You see I believe that much of this has been covered up by our news media here ..politicians too.
Like a handful I am aware that this has been going on here on American Soil since before 9/11. That infamous day has only brought out in the American consciousness what could actually happen. The events at the World Trade Center in 1993 seem to have been covered up in the media to appear to be not as serious as it needed to be taken.

All of it stems from Israel/Palestine conflict.

I am also aware that like the Chinese...the Muslims both inside and outside of America are spending large sums of moneys to gain political influence....even in our public schools. If you can get into our public schools this means you already own our politicians. It does not take genius levels to figure this out. These groups are capable of outbidding us for the attention and votes of our politicains ..right now. That is obvious but covered up by both our politicains and news media ...no genius required here. Now ...are any of these statements racists or just common sense???

Maybe this is a good thing. Some arab groups are using their heads and findng that maybe its better to fight fire with fire(Money) instead of bullets and bombs. AIPAC/The Media/Pro-Israeli groups have been very powerful in keeping much of what really goes on in the Middle East pretty biased and in Israels favor. Up until recently many Americans and euros are being shocked at what they are seeing.

Is what is posted on that site..religionofpeace.com...common sense or racist?? I do not see you debating the validity of the data in the tables or claims...just calling them racist. Very strange omission.

Why would I doubt the vailidity of something I have seen and know about from the news. Do I need 1 website that keeps track of a particular group? Why not put Christians who kill people? Jews who kill people?
Is godhatesfags.com a religious site? They believe so. What about stormfront.com?

I began to become very concerned back when someone ran over several people on the Duke University Campus. This was covered up very quickly by the media and politicians. I am also aware that the DC Sniper was Muslim. Quickly covered up in the media. Is this being racist??? Or speaking the truth??

Do you not think that Duke Campus incident might have been due to all the blanket statements about muslims going on everywhere you look? Maybe this kid was being persecuted and just didn't care anymore?
just look at what happened in Pennsylvania at that Quaker college campus. Nine guys beat 3 palestinian kids and sent them to the hospital. Now what will happen if one of those kids come back and say screw it, I come to America to get away from being oppressed from one people to be oppressed by another. Any one of them could snap. Maybe the right person catches their ear and convinces them to do something they normally wouldn't.

All in all I think just as we made it easier for Al-queda and other groups to recruit people with our mistake in Iraq, we are going to do the same thing here by creating enemity where it might not have been. I think certain people want this to happen though to be honest with you. I think certain groups truly think of this as a crusade and want this showdown to happen and they need the excuse. Countries like Israel also welcome these things to happen. They want nothing more then to rid that country of their little problem. As Netanyau said following 9/11 "This is great for Israel". If America & Europe hate Islam it makes it easier for them. Going back to your idea about Arabs being more politically active , well this presents a big challenge to the very same people. Would AIPAC like competition? Do the die hard Christians in this country want Islam/Arabs involved in American government? Would either of those 2 groups wish for any sway in the way America deals with the Palestine/Israeli issue? I think they are comfortable in the way it is now.

Regards
Pie

His religion only matters if his actions were a consequence of those beliefs. If it turns out he was killing Infidels 'just like the ayatollah said', then it matters. If his motives are purely separate from his religion then of course it's consequent.

I have no clue as to the validity of that site but any site that picks and chooses from a specific creed,race,color should be considered racist.

Where from did this come. I saw and read a site which questioned the peaceful intentions of a religon. You seem to see race, colour, creed and consider this racist.

When I see this I think to myself...Public Education ..meaning television education. ie..the standard political line today. Racism..the default to play through unchallanged. I dont buy into this PieMaN ...sorry.

All of it stems from Israel/Palestine conflict.

No not all of it stems from the Israel/Palestine conflict. Many of the more radical of these folks seem to have an intrenched dogma which hints at a tremendous insecurity complex showing up in aggression.
And they are not all Palestinean. Many of the Radical Leaders in this have obvious fingerprints of leaders of the past..who need straw man enemys to hate and get thier peoples rallied behind them. You can tell because they are not more emotionally mature than much of what we turn out of our High Schools and college campuses. Obviously and easily put on the string by thier leaders..same here. Even the politics of these religions needs a straw man. I have heard this same technique used by the union organizers at rallys. No difference..appealing to an emotionally imature audience. Fear and insecurity tactics. "He played on our Fears!!!"

Why would I doubt the vailidity of something I have seen and know about from the news. Do I need 1 website that keeps track of a particular group? Why not put Christians who kill people? Jews who kill people?
Is godhatesfags.com a religious site? They believe so. What about stormfront.com?

The site is about Islam..and islam covers more than one race...it is not about those other sites you quote. I dont agree with them if they are as you claim..but this site is about Islam...and islam is not one race of people. Some of us can get past our public education programming in Racism. This is my point here.

All in all I think just as we made it easier for Al-queda and other groups to recruit people with our mistake in Iraq, we are going to do the same thing here by creating enemity where it might not have been.

I must have the concept all wrong..the timetables too. Al-queda was not recruiting before 9/11??? Before Iraq??
As to Israel..I dont consider them our friends. Nor the British. An ally is not necessarily a friend. I am not pro Israel. Nor am I pro Islam.

As to the Palestenian/Israel issue ..those people need to solve the problem...without us. No matter who comes out ahead..if no one comes out ahead. These Islamic religionists will still be teaching and preaching the same olde straw man lines...and screaming "victimization. It will change nothing. I dont think you will ever hear this from the news media or our public education system like this. It will change nothing.

Thanks,
Orangetom