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Is Iran Really Arming Insurgents?

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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 05:39 PM
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Gen. Pace held a news conference on Feb 13th to try and shed some light on Iran's arming of insurgents in Iraq. Among his points, although bomb parts may be made in Iran, it is unclear that the Iranian Government is directly responsible for killing American soldiers.


www.cbsnews.com
The top U.S. military officer said Tuesday the discovery that roadside bombs in Iraq contained material made in Iran does not necessarily mean the Iranian government was involved in supplying insurgents.

"That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this," Pace said. "What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

On Monday, Pace said he had no firm knowledge that the Iranian government had sanctioned the arming of the insurgents.

"It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit," Pace told the Voice of America.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


So bombs made in Iran, placed by Iranians, do not necessarily mean Iran is to blame? This statement is almost as rediculous as, "if a tree falls in the woods and there is no one to hear it, how do we know it made a sound?"

Iran is providing the weapons and manpower to try and undermine America's effort in Iraq for better or for worse. Both countries are realizing that a war is not the best answer (thank god), and that hard nosed negotiations are the best way to get us out of this mess. The U.S. realized it had pushed too hard when it said essentially, Iranians are killing Americans in Iraq.

It's really intriguing to see the diplomatic dance of these too countries. There must be some serious back channel communications happening to keep the countries flip-flopping as too exactly what they're saying about each other in the press.

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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 09:38 PM
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It's hard to tell what reality is these days. Of course, reality is different for everyone. I've never seen any evidence of Iranians sending troops or weapons across the border. I've never seen any American troops in Iraq even for that matter, except through that thing called the t.v. But if they faked the moon landing how hard could it be to fake a desert and a bunch of dead arabs. I agree, that was uncalled for...

I see no reason why Iran would'nt be getting a . start on establising their supremecy in Iraq now. They want to see peace more than the Americans do, I'm sure.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 09:56 PM
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I checked in the archives and found this ATSNN report from July 2004 which claimed that Iran had recruited at least 10,000 for martydom ops against the US in Iraq -also Israel.


Iran has registered at least 10,000 young volunteers for "martyrdom operations," against US forces in Iraq and Israel, according to Mohammad Ali Samadi, a spokesman for the recruitment group, the "Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign"


the thread can be found here :

WAR: Iran Military Is Ready for Combat, Martyrdom

Some of the links appear to be dead now but you should be able to determine if Iran could be involved in getting weapons into Iraq, by reding the thread.

I wonder where the martyrs of Iran's army has been since 2004???



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 04:10 AM
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Ah how i wish it were true.

In reality though Iran is just trying to out do america in supporting the puppet traitor regime in iraq. It's all just about influence.

Dirty games.

The resistance has no friends except the iraqi people from which it is born.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 07:08 AM
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A cache of 100+ state-of-the-art Austrian Steyr-Mannlicher .50cal sniper rifles has just recently been discivered in Iraq that were part of a legal shipment to Iran last year



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 07:27 AM
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I am no appeaser.
I realize we didn't "go to war" with Iraq. The cease fire agreement was dependent on Saddams cooperation and we didn't need 14 more agreements to be ignored in my book. As soon as he took a shot at one of my planes patroling the no-fly zone, years ago, I would have been in Bagdad.

In my view, as soon as a country starts making war on you it is important to strike immediately and in a big way.

But this morning as I was thinking of this new story we've been hearing for years, I wondered how much control Ahmadinijhad really has over different factions within Iran? Could Groups of Iranians (but not neceassarily "Iranian Groups" be behind these grievances?

Can anyone force Soveriegn nations to acceept responsiblity for every crack-pot extremist group within it's borders?

Maybe only if that nation does nothing to control it?



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 08:23 AM
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How i wish your fabrications where true.

Really i do. And infact when you attack Iran, it really furthers my interest. Because it does to unite people against you, and maybe Iran will wake up from its wealler dealings in iraq with certain traitors and collaborators and start to live up to their anti americanism.

On the other hand maybe they will be more co-operative out of fear. Maybe this is a message to iran to stop trying to gain influence to within the puppet regime.

A good thing from where i am standing. But aside from what would benefit the resistance, being a truth seeker, and the truth by principle what i like to stand with.

I have to bring to your attention that your government is a liar, and it makes ludicurous claims whenever it is needed, this is just another WMD.



Pentagon Caught Red Handed in an attempt to Frame Iran: Iran Does Not Manufacture 81MM Mortar Shells

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Pentagon Caught Red Handed in an attempt to Frame Iran: Iran Does Not Manufacture 81MM Mortar Shells

by Kurt Nimmo

Global Research, February 13, 2007

Pentagon carelessness fabricating bogus “evidence” against Iran is really quite stupendous. As I wrote here yesterday, the 81mm mortar shell offered up to the complaisant corporate media as “evidence” Iran is supplying weaponry to the Shi’a of Iraq is an obvious ruse, as the date on the proffered shell does not follow the Muslim calendar and other markings are in English when it only makes sense they would appear in Persian script.

But it gets worse.


Rest of it is here

www.globalresearch.ca...
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posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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Sodom

iran is producing 81mm mortars

iranian made

but i think that they are labeled in farsi.

sodom



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 08:35 AM
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I know, Some iranian munition companies sell them internationally.

www.iramig.ir...

But anyone can get their hands on them. Including the US military.

They even have US troops on their website.

We really live in a twisted world you guys know that?

The more you dig the darker it gets.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Gatordone
Can anyone force Soveriegn nations to acceept responsiblity for every crack-pot extremist group within it's borders?


After thinking about it some more I've decided that if the soveriegn nation has publicly asserted a policy that the "crack-pot extremist group" supports and enacts, then what's the big dif? The group may as well have soveriegn support and as such, responsibilty for their actions should lie with the nation.

Iran is already at war with the US even if the US is not at war with Iran yet...



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Gatordone
I am no appeaser.
I realize we didn't "go to war" with Iraq. The cease fire agreement was dependent on Saddams cooperation and we didn't need 14 more agreements to be ignored in my book. As soon as he took a shot at one of my planes patroling the no-fly zone, years ago, I would have been in Bagdad.


well, im glad your so gun ho.
Hows about you back that up and . on over there cowboy... you show them evil iraqi's who boss...

im sure they'd be pleased to mail your severed . back to your parents.

You saying, Iraq deserved to be invaded, because they shot at your COUNTRIES planes while enforcing no go zones?
Yet, im sure you believe how evil and BAD iraqi's are, when they attack your troops.. cause after all, your doing a hell of a lot more 'to' iraq than just taking pot shots at them arent you.


I say, go to Iran, the quicker your countries fails, the quicker the world will be without your global empire type ambitions



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
You saying, Iraq deserved to be invaded, because they shot at your COUNTRIES planes while enforcing no go zones?


No, I'm saying the cease-fire was null and void the minute that happened. Not the minute 14 more UN resolutions were ignored...

Now about my severed ., your tone suggests you might appreciate that too? Easy there cowboy...



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The resistance has no friends except the iraqi people from which it is born.

I don't think this is necessarily true. The polling, as I recall, seems to show that the Iraqis want the resistance our as much as anyone. Why would they want the resistance when they, the civilians, are the ones constantly being blown up by them?



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

I say, go to Iran, the quicker your countries fails, the quicker the world will be without your global empire type ambitions


Oh please every country in the world has global ambitions some are just better prepared for them. The world as we know it would be alot more screwed up without the US.

Lets see the US government is the largest governemnt donator of food and money

The US people are the largest donator of food and money.

The US at times is the only donator.

The US has adavanced just about all of the recent technology that everyone takes advantage of.

THe list goes on and on. Get real.

And who said anything about failure other then people who aren't objective or people who don't know the first thing about themselves never mind long term strategy politics ect ect.

IF failing means losing a little over 3000 troops and a few hundred billion dollars while liberating 2 countries, yes liberating I know they are occupied like "germany and japan were", then the US will be able to "fail" their way to victory.

Besides who is going to stop the US? For all the noise the western media makes for every bombing in a market by those fierce insurgents what have the insurgents accomplished? nothing, besides kill thousands of innocent civilians, PURPOSEFULLY.

Did you know more people were murdered in one american city last month then US troops killed in iraq... makes you think, well at least those who can.

If Iran wants some I'm sure bush will call their hand.
American Airstrikes are unstoppable.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 10:13 AM
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I say, go to Iran, the quicker your countries fails, the quicker the world will be without your global empire type ambitions


So true.
But they won't be going. even they are not so stupid.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 04:02 PM
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There is absolutely no way that Iran is arming insurgents in Iraq. This is obviously another tactic by the US to dupe the American people into believing that Iran is to blame. Same as the WMD schpeel that was given before we invaded Iraq. Give it another 12 months at the most and we will be involved in another endless conflict.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 04:08 PM
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If there was a civil war in the US and you couldn't get any weapons in the US.
Where would you get them? Canada, Cuba and Mexico maybe? Black market goods would most likely come from those countries too no?

Of cource Iraqi's will most likely use weapons that are manifactured or have their origin in neighbouring countries. Its not like they got the resources or the time to fly over to the US to buy the weapons there.

What the Bush goverment is claiming is that the neighbouring countries are delivering weapons to insurgents and training them mandated at the goverment levels.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Don Wahn
There is absolutely no way that Iran is arming insurgents in Iraq. This is obviously another tactic by the US to dupe the American people into believing that Iran is to blame. Same as the WMD schpeel that was given before we invaded Iraq. Give it another 12 months at the most and we will be involved in another endless conflict.


If this is so "obvious" then why dont you provide your "obvious" proof to back up that claim. That WMD crap came from Russia, UK, and France. All of their intel services seemed to believe or want us to believe that. I dont think war with Iran will happen, we already have a solid strategic position in the ME, no need to take it any further.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 04:44 PM
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We have known for a while that some of the explosives used in IEDs were coming from Iran. That was reported on CNN even. So this story on the explosives comes out a few days ago, then yesterday they report that Al-Sadr has fled to Iran. Apparently he is not being actively targeted by the US, though we are obviously keeping tabs on him. Today I saw Bush on tv saying that he is sure that this "Quds" faction of the Iranian government is crossing into Iraq to attack US troops. Thank whatever god would oversee this insanity that Bush did not accuse Ahmendinijad directly. All of this has happened very quickly, coming out just this week.

Now consider: We've known about the explosives coming from Iran for some time
Al Sadr is not a target of US military, but his trip to Iran (a border that was open til just yesterday) is being reported as if to say "Iran is harboring terrorists"

The White House is accusing an element of the Iranian government of attacking US troops in Iraq.

Now, there are two ways I interpret this and niether one is provable one way or the other yet, so heated debate is not going to solve this, we have to wait it out.

First possibility: The information itself is suspect, because some of it is old, some of it is conflicting (Al Sadr's aid says he is still in Iraq), and the White House has lost much of its credibility. Add to this that the 20,000 troop surge is going forward, and there is a build up along the Iraq/Iran border going on now.... and it seems very ominous. That is about as far as you can go without making assumptions.

Second: Bush knows that Iraq has overstretched the military, and that a war with Iran would push the US over the edge with debt. We're already crippled with it. That is the impression that he gives when he speaks. Some of you may have noticed that as Iran continues on an anti-US track, Bush's strong rhetoric and bluffing has lessened considerably. He seemed pretty clear that he did not seek a war with Iran.

The truth may lay somewhere in between, and if you want my opinion, the government is full of too many dissenting opinions and conflicting interests to ever coordinate a grand conspiracy. This is just my opinion, but for what its worth I am a 6 year Army veteran, and 3 of those years I spent in USASOC.



posted on Feb, 15 2007 @ 04:41 AM
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According to whatreallyhappened.com that website is a fake.



This web page is being waved around to "prove" that Iran does make 81mm mortar rounds like the one the US Government is trying to use to justify an invasion of Iran.

Take a good look at the soldiers and weapons at the very top of the page. They look Iranian to you? And why does an Iranian company put together a web page where their own country is obscured from view on that world map?

Check the spelling on the tabs. "Miscellancous"? "Caliber" uses the American spelling, rather than "Calibre." And Tehran is spelled "Tahran" on the contact page. This web page was assembled in a rush.

Take a look at the page source in your browser. The images and directories on the server are all in ENGLISH.

The phone numbers on the contact page are all 7 digit numbers. But in July of 2005, Iran switched over to an 8-digit phone system.

And finally, the traceroute traces the IP not to a business, but to a university!



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