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Hypothetical reaction to extraterrestrial presence from religious organizations

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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Boy, for someone who says he/she isn't "religious, you sure seem to rely heavily on the bible,eh? Makes me question your true agenda here. JW perhaps stand for, "Jehovah's Witness?"
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If you want to destroy your enemy, you have to know your enemy.

I hate religion, all of it in every form.

You just have to read Genesis and debunk it to know that the whole book is crap.




posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:13 PM
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If you want to destroy your enemy, you have to know your enemy.
I hate religion, all of it in every form.
You just have to read Genesis and debunk it to know that the whole book is crap.


Wonderful, because this world needs more extremists. So do you like tea? I use it when I meditate can you teach me what you use to find the path to inner peace. Will I achieve it if I hate religion? Teach me what I must hate so that I may find peace?



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:20 PM
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By the way if you hate religion so much why are you selling Christian books on ebay????


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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by mindrewind2002
By the way if you hate religion so much why are you selling Christian books on ebay????

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Sure... only they're not books, they're cassette tapes.

The tapes are from a dead relative. The relative was on my wife's side. Religion screwed this dead relative up so much that she used it to justify her abuse of other relatives. While she thought that she was most pious, she was actually serious inflicting harm on people who loved her. Most of my wife's side are heavily into a sub-branch of some version of Christianity. They're pathetic.

I was going to throw the tapes out, but I'd rather trade them for small change. If you read my eBay feedback further, you'll also see that I sold one of her old Bibles too. If some sucker wants to pay for fiction, then better for me to profit rather than toss it.

I can use the funds to buy some more UFO books instead.

I'm drinking tea as I type, what's your point?

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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:32 PM
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I agree, the bible has been written and rewritten over and over throughout all of history. You know how it is to tell a story to a friend, and they tell it to another friend and so on how it changes in a very short time.'Anyone with any common sense at all could not believe the bible is so true!
I think the entire human race needs to put aside religion, and open their minds to new truths...not the truths that have been preached for millenia.
Read anything from Abraham Hicks publications, and see how open minded you are.
Specifically "A New Beginning"



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:39 PM
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The tapes are from a dead relative. The relative was on my wife's side. Religion screwed this dead relative up so much that she used it to justify her abuse of other relatives. While she thought that she was most pious, she was actually serious inflicting harm on people who loved her. Most of my wife's side are heavily into a sub-branch of some version of Christianity. They're pathetic.


Yea, I know how you feel I have gone through this myself. Do you honestly see rules and regulations, and orginzed religion though when you read just the gospel of John just curios?



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:43 PM
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I'm drinking tea as I type, what's your point?


You can't be drinking tea too because I havn't seen it. If its not infront of me than there is no way for me to know that is true so I except this as fact.

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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:48 PM
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Actually Mulder762002 some work has already been done on the scenario you question.

The public is, even without considering religion and its institutions, already fairly confused what constitutes an alien and who and what are to be viewed as religious personalities.

(For 8 major reasons there is interest in our planet, please see my post located at www.abovetopsecret.com... which is third from the bottom on page 2. The post provides what some may consider to be science fiction, but I assure you, it is not.)

Many in the major religions will speculate that those saucers are piloted by angels and other personna of the spiritual world. That view needs correction as no one should confuse religion with science in this field although just knowing we are not alone will affect one's religion.

Angels and other spiritual beings do not require ships of any kind to travel since they all have the ability to travel to our sphere without the need for material ships. The universe, even nearby, is populated with other types of humans, and it is they who come to our planet for the reasons I cite on another thread.

Now, let us examine the institutions of religion on the day it becomes certain we have brothers born in highly advanced socieites and who are interested in our welfare.

For your information, I was raised Lutheran in the United States. I do have the Protestant point of view of tolerance. But I also know that the cosmologies of any earth religion are not sufficient to explain the revelation that would come out of those ships. Many would take solice in the tenents of their earthly religion, but many would also would be forced to face the day with new data to make sense of.

Preliminary indications are that evolutionary religion (the type the major world religions are) would collapse in years after such a major revelation and that people would be searching for a better explanation of the universe and its reasons to be. I would also say there are other reasons that will affect the stability of the world religions that have nothing to do with UFO's and their contents.

But one also must understand that any such revelation of material beings that reside off our planet will also be accompnaied by major spiritual revelations to the planet. This may be done in coordination and timing of off-planet species appearances, or there simply may be parallels between the two programs that have been synchronistically associated.

It is probable that spiritual revelation is necessary to stabilize our world cultures in the face of such pressure to learn so much at once. Those who take great interest in our planet feel that one or both programs need to be immediately placed into action, and so we all wait to see what policy is finally implemented.



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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by mindrewind2002
Yea, I know how you feel I have gone through this myself. Do you honestly see rules and regulations, and orginzed religion though when you read just the gospel of John just curios?


It's sad watching family members and friends get sucked into losing their free will and falling into sect-churches. I don't wish it upon anyone to see someone you care about go through the brainwashing. It reminds me of The Simpson's episiode "The Leader is good, The Leader is great..."

I've read Genesis and Revelation. I figure if the start and the finish are crap, then so is everything else in between. I gave up trying when I was part way through Exodus. The stuff is laughable. Yet a billion people on the planet subscribe to it as being the true Word of God. Bunk.

To me, the whole structure of the Bible is control, control, submit, believe, subvert yourself, be controlled, don't question, God is right, be controlled, etc... didn't the Church persecute people who believed in a round Earth?

If you were a Dark Ages power broker, who WOULDN'T want to mass-print that book and spread it to the common serfs as something divine??? Add a little fancy dress and ritual to your Elders to make for a great stage-show and there's your church foundings. Link the Church with the State and you control millions of people just by believing written fairy-tales.

I agree with Peace, Good Will, etc. I'm not a violent person. I object to blind dogmatic subjection that religion demands of its followers. It's all about control and power.

The Bible isn't written to support other races in the Universe, as it was framed to control MEN. The Bible crashes with respect to how aliens 'fit' and why they 'fit'.

Hopefully, other alien races have evolved beyond government, control, religion, etc and have found a way to prosper as a species in a benevolent manner.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by mindrewind2002


I'm drinking tea as I type, what's your point?


You can't be drinking tea too because I havn't seen it. If its not infront of me than there is no way for me to know that is true so I except this as fact.

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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. I was drinking tea. Your inability to see that does not mean that I wasn't.

I've finished it now. Black tea, no sugar, with a single Lipton's tea bag in a logo mug with an alien head on it.

If you wish to deny my first-hand eyewitness testimony that I was drinking tea, then you're not availing yourself of all the facts before you make the false conclusion that I was not drinking tea.

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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 07:06 PM
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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. I was drinking tea. Your inability to see that does not mean that I wasn't.

I've finished it now. Black tea, no sugar, with a single Lipton's tea bag in a logo mug with an alien head on it.

If you wish to deny my first-hand eyewitness testimony that I was drinking tea, then you're not availing yourself of all the facts before you make the false conclusion that I was not drinking tea

Good point my statement was foolish (purposely), now apply your rebutle to your earlier statements about Genisis and its lack of explanation for creatures outside this world and universe. Sometimes its fun to chase your own tail isn't it? You don't allways need religion to manipulate and control a person sometimes you just need to use what they give you.


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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 08:01 PM
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The fundies will freak out but then again everything freaks them out.
I expect some of them will get violent and others will kill themselves but many if not most of them will, in time accept it and move on.

I do expect it to radicaly change the nature of religion as we know it.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 08:23 PM
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What if the ET's crafted religion as a way to control man kind for the time being, I don't see every basic belief system in the history of man arising out of nothing based on soley the desire of a few to be able to control the masses or maybe it did? If you except the latter than you may take the perspective that ET's don't desire to control us and are more evovled but why is this? Such a wise creature like this I know I would want to learn from and follow, huh that sounds kinda of reminisent of the gospels I guess you build the house with the tools and resources you have for the time being. It doesn't mean you can't upgrade in the future. Or hey maybe you just get pissed off one day and decide to tear the house down because the roof leaks and the sidings all rotted out: and than you find yourself standing in the cold pouring rain insisting on rejecting all forms of shelter untill a big new mansion just apears out of nowhere. I guess to each his own.

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posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 09:03 PM
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I feel that if...and that is if they let the cat out of the bag. That the faith base would be in a series of down spin. Alot of seperation would surface and there would be a mass break down of membership. Now don't go all over board and say "I'm not going to lose my faith.." I didn't say that and I'm not speaking for all. I would just prepare myself for some serious back lash. I think there are alot of people who are kept in check by the good/evil balance.And a portion of those who have some evil would not feel restrained from the end game of heaven or hell and go off the deep end and pull a postal shooting tour or a mall shooting spree. I really think that this would be one of the if not the biggest reason for the government to fail to disclose. Our whole social science structure would have to be revised. On one hand I understand the reason for not coming forward from a government standpoint because you honestly never know how humans are going to feel. And if the government is doing a slow disclosure project then in some ways how do you blame them. Look what happened in Katrina....? And that was just a hurricane. We as humans have volatile reactions to stupid things I mean if E.B.E.'s watch us they are sure to see how childish we as a society can be and are thinking "why do we want to be a part of that society on a universal or global scale with these idiots". I don't know..I can tell you this it would be one helluva beer fest if and when it does happen.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:29 PM
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God created Man in "OUR" image i believe it reads, i have often been curious as to whom OUR is and depending how you want to intrepret it the Bible is full of ufo's, abductions, even artifisial insemination????? (marys conception) ill try to find the passage but im sure the appostale Paul was at one spot and in a blink of an eye he was at another(teleport maybe) the vision of Ezekial is a mind bender even for some christians and maybe some of the stuff described in revalation could be craft of some kind, also the Rapture 144.000 people snatched up in a blink of an eye (again teleport) there's heaps depending on how you want to read it, fingers of God,Burning bushes ETC its all good a few good web sites which one can google on ufo's and the bible. In heaven there are many mansions (planets maybe)



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:55 PM
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If irrefutable proof that non-human intelligence (besides angels, etc.) exists, or did exist, it would separate those who SAY that they really love God and all his creations from those who REALLY DO love God and all of his creations. This revelation would just make God all the more wonderful and awesome in my mind. We'd no longer be alone.

I wonder how North American natives felt when the vistitors from Europe arrived? Were they glad to see that there were "others", or did they feel threatened because they were no longer the center of the universe, which made life appear more complicated all of a sudden? I've never seen the psychological/socialogical aspects of that "first contact" described in the history books.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 11:45 PM
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From a christian perspective if the devil was to decieve the whole planet including hardcore christians by the millions.A good way would be as a super extraterastial and land on the white house Lawn or the Kremlin or Both, fix all the world problems perform miricals fix up the atmosphere stop war sickness everything and then over a period of time maybe years decades maybe force all the stuff that is in revalation on us ,, well i think i would be ready for somthing like that but millions and millions wouldnt and would be duped big time ,,, but as i said that is from a christian perspective i mean the Bible warns people and tells them to look for the signes etc the last thing most fundermentalists would expect is for a beautiful majestic being or beings to land on earth tell us we are ready for the next level of our existance fix up the whole mess and believe me it will be one good deception revelation says the bad one will come first.
And when Jesus comes i would not be atall suprised if it was in a craft of somekind



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 12:09 AM
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I've read somewhere that our neighbours (aliens) have religion on their own. I belive our religions will be replaced by whatever religions They have. After all, the existing known religions have all been debunked by Thomas Paine (age of reason part I and II) already so as far as I'm concerned there Are no true religions here on Earth.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 12:16 AM
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To OP,

I would show your roomate the sumerian scrolls and show him some old testament stuff like this.

psalms 82:1
God stands in the congregation of the mighty:He judges among the gods(plural)

Genesis 1:26
Then god said, "let us make man in our image, according to our likeness
Who exactlty is our image, if only one god should this not read his image.

Genesis 3:22
"behold, the man has become like one of us
I ask again, who is us?

Genesis 11:7
"come, let us go down and confuse their language
Again us?

Genesis 18:2
so he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him:and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground

genesis19:2
Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servants house
again lords

Think about this, gods came in ate dinner and had conversation. I wish I was there.

genesis 18:19
For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."
Abraham choses one.

We see what we want to see. We block out truth right in front of our eyes.



posted on Feb, 14 2007 @ 12:34 AM
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I think there are several possibilities could happen.
One of them being as Doc Velocity described, that they were the Angels and Spirits as described in the Bible, in which case many people and religions would probably deny it and count them off as being evil.

2. They could have their own totally different religious beliefs. In which case would probably cause a lot of confusion and further accusations of their being evil by church and religious leaders worldwide

3. They could have no religious beliefs and tell us they were genetically designed by other beings in which case representatives from every religion would probably be after them to try and convert the Godless heathens.

4. They could tell us that the entirety of earth was seeded and created by them as an experiment bringing more confusion and outrage in religious circles.


We have so many wars now over religion. Would we be ready to meet beings from elsewhere? Would we want people like Bush, Putin, Blair, Sheik Al-Sadir, Olmert, Ahminijiad, Kim Jong Ill, Pat Robertson, Sheik Nasrallah, or Assad to represent us as a people??!!!




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