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Win 250,000 Points: What Are The Top-5 9/11 Conspiracies?

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posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Who are the officials behind the "official story"? That would be the government, would it not?

To some extent, yes.

But I would define the "official" story as the version that is the most widely accepted by the public (first and foremost), the media, and then the government in its reports.

To shed doubt on the official story is to suggest that the government is not telling the truth regarding the events of 9/11, presumably to cover-up government complicity in the attacks.

Or, in line with your earlier comments, shedding doubts on the official story is to suggest that the government doesn't even know the truth and is simply attempting not to look clueless. (The problem being, of course, that when you give Joe Citizen the option of believing the government is "impotent and ignorant" or "omniscient and dishonest", he will almost always choose the latter.)

The fact is that some things happened on that day that really don't make sense (Do you disagree with that?). Maybe it was a perfect epic statistical comedy of errors...but the official story, the story that will make the history books, won't say that.

And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, this contest is simply a fledgling effort to be sure that the history books get it right.

Apologies to SO for kind of derailing things.

Doc, we can continue this conversation here if you want...

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:00 PM
Well, if so, and if it doesn't disqualify me to put in another entry, here is a shorter, more concise entry, covering a broader area of skepticism on the official story of 9/11, rahter than just rambling about the WTC towers.

You know there are a lot of facts that don’t add up when looking at the official story of 9/11. Most intriguing, and in contrast to the “official story,” are the following five issues:

First, there are too many facts discovered in the aftermath of the WTC towers which contradict what we are told and expected to believe. From the way they collapsed demolition explosive style, to the melted metal that couldn’t be caused by jet fuel fires, and then in all of that wreckage and melted metal, the passports of the hijackers were amazingly recovered in tact.

Next there is flight 93. It crashed and that is the only true fact, but why? It appears that it was shot out of the sky causing it to crash. The debris pattern is questionable to the official story, as the debris is scattered in a very, very broad area inconsistent with a plane that simply crashes. Flight 93 was hemorrhaging debris as if it was falling apart from a huge trauma before it crashed. This is more indicative of a plane sustaining war damage while flying.

The Pentagon. They confiscated film from an outside source and refused to release such film footage for an unreasonably long time, and when they did, it cast more doubt than it proved anything of the official story that a hijacked plane had crashed into it. The initial damage and fire look more as if it had been caused by an explosion or a missile strike.

Then there are the war games. On 9/11, multiple war games and terrorist scenario exercises, including suicidal hijackers taking control of American planes and flying them into buildings such as the WTC towers, were being performed right in New York. This kept those who would be and should be responding the actual threat unable to tell if the actual events happening were part of such war game and terrorist exercises or not, and successfully kept them standing down and delayed any action.

Finally, it has been learned that there was Intel given to the President in April of 2001 that revealed Al Qaeda planned to attack the US in the Summer of 2001. Also, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have links with the American Government organizations, and may have been led by Gary Best, a US black ops specialist.

Knowing there is not just one or two, but five major holes in the official stories of each and every event of 9/11, with much research and details to back up those holes, definitely lends one to question the official story indeed.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:09 PM
Admittedly, I can be incessantly loquacious, even when trying not to be, even while being as average and simple as possible (not a far streth for me at all) but I will even try one last entry with my broader topics of my last entry, but trying to keep them more concise.

So, SO, my next post will be my last entry, and my best attempt at cutting to the chase about the facts of the events of 9/11 shedding doubt on the official story.


[edit on 16-2-2007 by 2l82sk8]

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:11 PM

Originally posted by James_21

3) How were the planes allowed to fly for so long without being intercepted.

I was in the military when this happend and they told us they had 6 aircraft they were tracking. I contacted a buddy of mine who fly charity craft for victims who cant afford to fly within economic means to recieve special treatment and he said "They were the only aircraft allowed up that day after all planes were told to land or not fly at all. That the jets were on the ground but not fully armed. They (pilots) were told to go up and use any means necessary to bring down any hijacked plane."

I believe in Indian Town Gap PA reservest base had something to do with SAMs to bring down the PITT aircraft outwest.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:14 PM

Originally posted by 2l82sk8
Is there still a contest going on?


I've seen some good information, and we have many who are close.

As an added bonus.... if someone can come up with 5 major points that are simple, direct, and easy to understand that point to conspiratorial concerns leading up to 9/11, I'd be inclined to award two prizes of 250,000 points.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:28 PM
You know there are a lot of facts that don’t add up when looking at the official story of 9/11. Most intriguing, and in contrast to the “official story,” are the following five issues:

1. The WTC towers collapsed demolition explosive style, instead of a typical burning or structurally damaged building indicating explosives and planning were involved. In all the rubble, and ash, and melted metal, inconsistant with the plane-caused fire, the hijackers passports were still able to be easily found.

2. Flight 93 crashed and the debris field implies it was shot out of the sky as it was hemorrhaging debris over a wide area as if it was falling apart from a huge trauma before it crashed. This is more indicative of a plane sustaining war damage, being shot down, while flying.

3. The Pentagon confiscated and delayed releasing tapes for an unreasonably long time, and when they did, it cast more doubt than it proved anything of the official story that a hijacked plane had crashed into it, as it still appeared as though it had been more of a missile strike.

4. There were war games and terrorist exercises happening in New York on 9/11 including scenarios of suicidal hijackers flying into buildings such as the WTC towers. This kept those who would be, and should be, responding the actual threat unable to tell if the actual events happening were part of such war game exercises.

5. There was Intel given to the President in April of 2001 that revealed Al Qaeda planned to attack the US in the Summer of 2001. Then there were updates. It was all apparently ignored, or didn’t warrant any attention.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:35 PM

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

I've seen some good information, and we have many who are close.

As an added bonus.... if someone can come up with 5 major points that are simple, direct, and easy to understand that point to conspiratorial concerns leading up to 9/11, I'd be inclined to award two prizes of 250,000 points.

Yipee...we are still rolling!

But now you add the challenge of 5 points of conspirital concerns LEADING UP TO 9/11...

You just had to get me going again SO, didn't you? I'll be back...

2l8 I one of those that are close? Am I getting there? Any closer yet? Huh, Huh, Huh?

OK, off to work on your new challenge...but probably wont be back till know IRL obligations...geez! It's easy to love ATS, it's just hard to live with it!

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:41 PM
I sincerely believe that there are only 4 incontrovertable, and publically digestible, proofs that of any form of conspiracy. However, in the interest of adhering to the rules of the game, I will present a fifth, which I believe is weak at best, but substantial.

Airlines Stock Insider Trading, Prior to 9/11
There is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific, and therefore possibly criminal, foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. This is the most tangible record of foreknowledge of the event by a group of individuals. Money is a powerful motivator, and to put it in simple terms, some people knew about the attack and insured their fiscal well being by making sure their stocks weren’t wiped out.

Flight 93
The Flight 93 crash site bears little resemblance to any other aviation accident site. Debris was scattered over a wide area, with some even ending up in Indian Lake, which is miles away. Early local news reports speculated that it had been shot down or that it might have broken up before impact. The most likely scenario, after having 2 planes devastate Manhattan, would be that the order be given to intercept and remove the threat posed by Flight 93.

Lack of pentagon footage
With numerous confiscated videotapes and cameras, it would be painfully easy for the US Government to dismiss skeptics claims that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. What little they have released has only fueled the conspiracy crowd and done little to assuage the rampant speculation of a cover up. If the confiscated tapes showed an AA 757 crashing into the Pentagon, logic would dictate that they be released.

Governmental Preparedness
Both FEMA and NORAD were prepared for the event under the guise of wargames and planning and preparedness operations. It is not a leap of faith to believe that, should elements of the US Government know of an impending attack, that they would leave themselves open to exploitation of the chaos by a third, and unexpected, party. These agencies would also be positioned to contain the events and perform damage control after the event.

Inability to Capture, and Indifference to Capturing, Bin Laden
If Osama bin Laden were indeed the sole individual who orchestrated the attack on 9/11 this President has a demonstrable history of pursuing individuals until captured of killed. He would spare no asset and pursue OBL to the ends of the earth. However, if there were good reasons to make sure he stays alive, such as tangible ties to members of American industry or government who may have had prior knowledge of 9/11, than it would be in the President's best interest to keep OBL contained, but alive, to insure that no incriminating evidence were released to the world media via a some form of "dead man's switch".

Now, i will present BRIEF reasons why the general public will not buy into many popular conspiracy theories:

* WTCs collapsing can be reasonably debunked. We’ve even seen the thread here.

* Talk of squibs, molten metal, and black helicopters immediately gets you pegged as a kook by Joe Average America.

* OBL as a CIA agent will seem too far fetched to gain acceptance with the majority of the American public.

* Claims of hijackers being still alive have not been reasonably proven to be accepted.

* Passports surviving the crash can be dismissed as ejecta from the impact.

* GWB staying in that class can be reasonably explained as a panic response.

* Damage to the Pentagon can be debunked, we had a great thread here on ATS about it.

* It is hard for the public to assume that a 30 year old cold war plan like Operation Northwoods could be seen as proof that 911 was government backed.

* Lack of comprehensive crash site investigation can be easily dismissed as incompenence or zeal to find survivors and clear the site.

* Forewarnings and official documents from and by various government agencies mentioning the possibility of attack can be explained away as being lost in the bureaucracy and red tape.

* Any governmental lack of interest in comprehensive investigation can be countered by a reasonable claim that bureaucrats were covering their butts. There was no small amount of incompetence from at least a half a dozen agencies leading up to the attack. It stands to reason that anyone in those agencies would be passing the buck and ducking and covering.

* Claiming that the US needed 911 as a reason to go to war is not really logical. The justification for attacking Iraq was already there, Iraqi forces were firing on our planes for years, and Saddam was behind an assassination attempts on George Bush Sr.. The only justification it would give is for an invasion of Afghanistan which, if Iraq were the ultimate goal, was a hindrance to gaining support for the invasion of Iraq.

Too many times conspiracy theory advocates have diarrhea of the mouth and when asked, immediately spew out every crackpot theory that they've heard. I believe that 911 Pound Gorilla needs to stick with the basic and tangible proofs if it is to gain any ground in the public eye.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by Reality Hurts]

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 01:43 PM
(Not in any particular order, or order of what I think is the more important issue)

1. There is an abundance of evidence of prior knowledge of the attacks.

2. WTC 7 was not hit by any airliners that day. Some speculate that this building was "pulled", especially given the damning phone call. Why did this building suddenly cave in?

3. GWB (or more pointedly the powers behind him) most likely wanted to finish Bush Sr.'s dirty work. In Iraq and Afghanistan.

4. The Pentagon. Much speculation has been raised about why the alleged hijacker of that flight would do a 260 maneuver to apparently hit a specific target on that building; the renovated (reinforced) portion.

5. There appears to be more than one Osama Bin Laden, if you examine the videos as released to the public. Specifically OBL is known to be left handed, and does not wear gold jewelry. However on one video in particular, he is not only obviously right handed, but wearing a gold ring as well.

It's not much, but it's short and to the point.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 02:59 PM
Important people told not to fly

FEMA in place in NY on 9/10/01

SOP of intercepting airliners

Able Danger

Insider trading

And one that happened later on-

George saw the first plane hit on 9/11?



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[edit on 16-2-2007 by 2PacSade]

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 03:31 PM
SkepticOverlord, in response to your challenge of 5 conspiratorial concerns leading up to 9/11:

jealousy is a very strong emotion and can lead to violence (the Cain and Abel Syndrome). Many nations and groups had a multitude of reasons to be jealous of the USA (and thus form conspiraorial overthrows) in the years between the end of the Cold War and 9/11; five of them are:

1) Economy: the USA was by far the dominant nation in economics (the CIA World Factbook is a good source of GDP per capita). Jealousy over money is a frequently proven fact.

2) Racism: some people in the world just do not like other people's skin, hair, or eye color. Jealousy over coloring is a frequently proven fact.

3) Religion: some religious people can be quite earthly and might be jealous of people of another religion that to them, have had a better shake in life. Jealousy over religion is frequently a proven fact.

4) Military: the USA has had the world's most powerful military in the world for quite some time. Jealousy over military strength is frequently a proven fact.

5) Life Exepectancy: Americans have a very high life expectancy and have had many positive influences on world life expectancy. Perception that others are living longer than citizens of your own country can cause jealous rage that leads to violence. Jealously of life expectancy is frequently a proven fact.

I know you did not ask for a possible solution, but I will suggest one: we need a more balanced world in every facet of life.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Essedarius
The fact is that some things happened on that day that really don't make sense (Do you disagree with that?). Maybe it was a perfect epic statistical comedy of errors...but the official story, the story that will make the history books, won't say that.

Not meaning to labor this off-topic tangent, I agree that there were some odd goings-on that day. Well, odd is an understatement. But, yes, I can believe that the entire attack and response effort was but a comedy of errors, which fits my theory of governmental incompetence and impotence perfectly. All the rest — the exceedingly simplistic discussions of building integrity and demolition methods, the unsubstantiated claims of a missile strike on the Pentagon, etc — is the product of overactive imagination and unqualified pseudo-scientific babble.

Now we return you to the regularly-scheduled conspiracy round-up, which is already in progress.

— Doc Velocity

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 05:21 PM

Originally posted by andy1033

Originally posted by ForceMaster
How about the Pentagon? The footage of the Pentagon after the plane "crashed" into it shows that there was a fire inside, but no outside damage! The so called parts they found of the "plane" was of a different plane and one much smaller. The parts were old. The thought that someone would think that a plane so big would fit through a window and then disintigrate takes a huge amount of self convincing! No engine, no wings, nothing. I looked at the footage and I cannot believe they pulled it off. A huge plane simply not there, no bodies, and no outer damage to the building...WOW

i understand where your going, but most people should leave the pentagon thing alone. you will never get proof that whatever hit it. if you want to tell a skeptic you need to get things out that are beyond them saying that is rubbish and them saying thats just a conspiracy theory.

what about the fact that the lone gunman show showed a plane going into the world trade center before 911, and the intelligence services say they never even dreamed that something like that could happen. well all you had to do is watch that show before 911, and the impression would of been in your mind.

i understand that there should have been plane parts in the pentagon, if the facts we are given are true. but we do not know what happened there, and just guessing will get us nowhere, but i do know where you are coming from, but leave the pentagon thing alone.

[edit on 2/12/2007 by andy1033]

I'm sorry but I must disagree my friend. I do understand why you are stating this. It will be very difficult to get any real evidence. However, the evidence that is presented via documentary's and such does give some good fodder to throw at the skeptics.

I'm sure most who are interested in this conspiricy have seen this documentary but I feel that I should point it out anyway. Just google "In Plane Sight" and watch the hour long documentary. Or, for this point, just the first 20 minutes or so. The evidence that points to something 'other' than a plane hitting the Pentegon is very strong. In the forefront of the evidence is the burning, or lack thereof, that took place. When the walls collapsed there were offices that became exposed. These offices are right there at the scene of impact. If a jet, full of fuel, struck the Pentegon then the ensuing fire would have at least left smoke damage marks within these offices. There is even a wooden stool with a book sitting on it right on the edge of the collapse that is untouched.

Anyway, you can't simply state that one piece to this puzzle is not worth pursuing. Every piece is.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 05:59 PM
I think in order to convince others that the particular conspiracy theory and explanation we believe in is true, we must first show that the official story is not plausible. I'm not going to include links or photos, as these are supposed to occur in a conversation in an elevator. So my five, in reverse order of their ability to convince are:

#5 - Visible Explosions During the Collapse of the Twin Towers
As the towers collapse, several explosions can be seen many floors beneath where the collapse is occurring. No explanation for these explosions has been given. Look for yourself, and while watching the video, try to focus on the building beneath where the collapse is occurring.

#4 - Failure of the 9/11 Comission to do a Thorough Investigation
Just one example of many, when addressing who financed the 9/11 hijackers, the 9/11 Commision report states "We do not know who financed the 9/11 hijackers, and ultimately, it is of little consequence". In reality, it is of enormous consequence who financed these attacks, and I think every American can agree that it's an unacceptable statement for the official investigation into the attacks of 9/11 to make.

#3 - Fake Osama Bin Ladin Confession
In the alleged confession video of Osama Bin Ladin, where he claims responsibility for the attacks on 9/11, we see an obese man who does not remotely resemble the image of Bin Ladin we've frequently been shown, wearing a gold ring (wearing gold is forbidden by Islamic law), and writing with his right hand on video when Osama Bin Ladin is left handed.

#2 - Impossible Flight Pattern
An organization called Pilots for 9/11 Truth has analyzed the black box information released by the government, and found an impossibility in what was found, particularly in the attack on the Pentagon. The pilots estimate the turns would have put well over 4 G's worth of pressure on everyone in the plane, which is an impossibility as all commercial airliners are programmed to not allow this sort of force. Anything over 2 G's could potentially harm passengers, in particular the elderly, and so they are programmed to not allow these sorts of maneuvers. Simply put, the plane would not physically allow the alleged hijacker to crash the plane into the pentagon in the way the flight box recorded.

#1 - The Collapse of Building Seven.
Most people are unaware that three buildings collapsed on 9/11, not just the twin towers. If you watch the video, this giant building, which was not hit by an airplane of any kind, collapsed at nearly the speed of gravity. This is impossible from a fire. There would be resistance to the fall from floor to floor, and the collapse would be gradual. Instead we see a smooth fall not unlike controlled demolitions. Watch the video, it's the most convincing and unarguable thing you will ever see. Sure, people will try to scramble and explain it away, but seeing with your own eyes is believing.

posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 06:54 PM
The most compelling reasons for the 9/11 conspiracies.
1. The 9/11 tragedy was to convent for bush weight after he was elected for president.
2. President bush did not lessen to warnings for 9/11.
3. Why were we going to Iraq instead of Iran because of bush getting them mix up or saw an opportunity?
4. How come 9/11 happens in New York? Instead of Washington DC. Was it because someone paid them to do New York? Or was it because they have other motives in reports.
5.or maybe because this terrorists were mentally unstable and thought the tween towers were giving them the finger.

[edit on 2/16/2007 by hughes28105]

posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 01:44 PM

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

As an added bonus.... if someone can come up with 5 major points that are simple, direct, and easy to understand that point to conspiratorial concerns leading up to 9/11, I'd be inclined to award two prizes of 250,000 points.

5 Major Points of Conspiratorial Concer Pre-9/11

1) Motive: PNAC and a "New Pearl Harbor"

Project for a New American Century (PNAC) states their goal is "Rebuilding American Defenses" and that to do so will take a long time, absent some catastrophic "new Pearl Harbor." PNAC Members include Jeb Bush, Scooter Libby, Richard Perle, Dan Quayle, Richard Armitage, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz.

9/11 Became this generation's "New Pearl Harbor" and many members of PNAC, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz were hihig-powered, high-ranking members of the Bush administration that could were in the position to pull-off and cover-up a 9/11 conspiracy. But did they have the means to do so?

Here's a link to the PNAC Report from 2000 called "Rebuilding America's Defenses"

See Page 63

2) Means: Project Northwoods

March 13, 1962, Joint Chiefs of Staff propose "Project Northwoods."

This project describes black operations to be carried out by Department of Defense and CIA to fake hijackings and destructings of commercial airliners, complete with real or fake victims, in order to gain public support for going to war with Cuba.

Project Northwoods show that the U.S. government in 1963 believed it was possible to carry out a massive conspiracy involving commercial airline companies, the CIA, and the military.

3. A New Enemy: al-Qaeda and bin Laden

The U.S. created al-Qaeda and financed bin Laden in the early 1980's to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Subsequent to the fall of the Soviet Unioin, the U.S. began shifting country to focus on a new enemy -bin Laden and terrorism.

This CNN story summarizes U.S. official position regarding bin Laden:

4. Jamie Gorelick, the "wall," and 9/11 Commission

Jamie Gorelick, the #2 person in Clinton's Justice Department, was instrumental in writing into law what has been come to be known simply as "the wall."

This is the legal policy that was intiated by Gorelick and the U.S. Justice Dept. in the mid-1990's that prevented intelligence organizations, e.g., the CIA, from sharing information with law enforcement agencies, e.g., the FBI. Gorelick ignored pleas from the U.S. Attorney in New York to allow intelligence agencies to share information with the FBI.

Here's a news story that will give the backgroud from the Washington Times:

Then, after 9/11, incredibly Gorelick was appointed to be a member of the 9/11 Commission which was responsible for investigating the failures that led to 9/11. It was reported that Gorelick herself wrote much of the 9/11 Commission Report. Incredibly, Gorelick did not mention "the wall" in the 9/11 Commission Report.

5. Pre-Knowledge: Able Danger

Members of a military intelligence operation called "Able Danger" claim to have identified Mohammed Atta prior to 9/11, and tried to give the FBI information about Atta and his al-Qaeda cell three times, but were prevented from turning over the information by Defense Dept. attorneys. Arlen Specter called for Senate Hearings on the matter, but Donald Rumsfeld issued a directive forbidding any members of Able Danger to testify in front of the Senate.

Members of Able Danger also claimed that they tried to inform the 9/11 Commission about their pre-9/11 findings, but that the 9/11 Commission both rejected even listening to what they had to say, and then later lied about the fact that the members of Able Danger even approached the 9/11 Commission.

It's interesting that Jamie Gorelick was one of the members on the 9/11 Commission that didn't want to hear anything from Able Danger, since it was her "wall" that was the pretext used by the Dept. of Defense for not giving the pre-9/11 intelligence to the FBI.

I.e., Able Danger may have uncovered the 9/11 plot well in advance, but the Dept. of Defense, run by former PNAC founing member Donald Rumsfeld, prevented both action on their information, and investigation into why their information was not acted upon.

posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 08:17 PM
Part one - Final copy

This is a battle which has been going on for thousands of years. 9/11 was just the most recent episode of the battle between dark and light.

A Black And White Checkered Floor

9/11 brings them one step closer to thier vision of a one world government. I see things as comming to a conclusion very soon. You will all need to make a very real choice as to what side you are on.

Personally I believe that we (humanity) are at a crossroads. They (the elite) are going ahead with thier plans. I believe that they would prefer not to enslave the worlds population, if they could avoid it, but they will do so if that is thier only option. The worlds natural resources are being stretched as the worlds population has exploded and as China and India are capitalized upon. Oil is civilization, and we are at peak oil, as 2 Billion Chinese and Indian consumers come online. We have maybe 50 to 100 years of oil left.

Innovate or die.

Freedom or enslavement - Choose.

Choose now.

As I stated before, the world trade centers were designed to be destroyed at the proper time, with the purpose of sending a message to future generations.

1) In 1913 the world bankers were able to convince congress to bring the federal reserve into existance. By taking control of the money supply of the United States they were able to dictate the foriegn policy that they desired.

Side note: they also brought the IRS into existance which is a private collection agency for the federal reserve. They also keep credit records on every american consumer (we are no longer reffered to as citizens, but rather as consumers) through private credit agencies.

Int'l bankers attempting to destroy America - NWO - 9/11 - Federal Reserve - Smoking gun

2) Marion Hubbert, predicted peak oil in 1956, just a few years 'BEFORE' the world trade centers were concieved of, designed and built.

"Peak Oil" as a proper noun, or Hubbert's peak applied more generally, refers to a singular event in history: the peak of the entire planet's oil production. After Peak Oil, according to the Hubbert Peak Theory, the rate of oil production on Earth will enter a terminal decline. Based on his theory, in a paper he presented to the American Petroleum Institute in 1956, Hubbert correctly predicted that production of oil from conventional sources would peak in the continental United States around 1965-1970 (actual peak was 1970). Hubbert further predicted a worldwide peak at "about half a century" from publication.


Rockefeller Brainchild

The World Trade Center was conceived in the early 1960s by ... Chase Manhattan Bank chairman David Rockefeller, founder of the development association, and his brother, New York governor Nelson Rockefeller, pushed hard for the project, insisting it would benefit the entire city.

David Rockefeller, Sr. is the youngest grandson of the billionaire oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller, founder of Standard Oil.

In 1971 they switched the US from the gold standard to the oil standard. That means that the US dollar is backed by oil and not gold. Iraq is the US strategic oil reserve, if we invade Iran we will double our strategic oil reserve and control the flow of oil to China.

If you study the coinage of the United States, you will find that gold and silver, content in the coins, has been gradually replaced by other metals.

They have been gradually weaning us off of gold and silver.

[edit on 17-2-2007 by In nothing we trust]

posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 08:18 PM
Part 2


Originally posted by twitchy
Get Smart! Epispde 52

I suspect that many of us, including myself, won't be old enough to remember the television show "Get Smart!" starring Don Adams as Maxwell Smart or Agent 86. It was a James Bond spoof of sorts, a clever blend of action and comedy and quite successful for it's time. I've seen re-runs of the show through the years, and quite enjoyed it. The name of the show is fairly ironic however as the Good Guys were called Control, the bad guys were Kaos... that in itself is pretty profound given the espionage premise of the show.
On Febuary 18, 1967, NBC aired episode 52 entitled "Smart Fit The Battle Of Jericho". Frank Lloyd Joshua operated a KAOS front posing as a construction company called the Joshua Construction Company which seemed to have a history of their High Rise buildings exploding. Max Smart infiltrates the construction company and discovers that KAOS is using explosives in the actual construction of the buildings themselves.

Construction of the World Trade Center began in 1966. This episode aired just 197 days after the WTC ground breaking.

Around the time this episode aired, the producers of the show (Leonard B. Stern, Jess Oppenheimer, Jay Sandrich, Burt Nodella, Arnie Rosen, James Komak)
have said they were directly contacted by the CIA who were very interested in where they were getting their ideas from.

post id: 2450663

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by twitchy

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
-David Rockefeller

It is interesting to note that David Rockefeller was the force behind the design and construction of the world trade center.

Rockefeller Brainchild

The World Trade Center was conceived in the early 1960s by the Downtown-Lower Manhattan Development Association to revitalize the seedy radio row dominated by electronic stores. Chase Manhattan Bank chairman David Rockefeller, founder of the development association, and his brother, New York governor Nelson Rockefeller, pushed hard for the project, insisting it would benefit the entire city.

Here's another interesting tid bit about the show in general...

Just for fun, here's one passage from Spy Television regarding Get Smart and the CIA:
" . . later revelations about the show’s connections to the real espionage community were as humorous as the intentional comedy. In August 1966, the U.S. Army Counter-Intelligence Corps invited Get Smart cast members to entertain at its 19th Annual Convention Banquet. According to Donna McCrohan, network publicists asked that photos be cleared for public release, and real spies posed with Adams and Feldon for gag shots (89-91). But the earlier clearance was revoked, and the photos could never be used. Agents demanded the negatives of the film and a letter stating the negatives had been given over. The letter was written with a carbon, but the carbon had been reversed. One operative confiscated the carbon paper and burned it in an ashtray. Equally unusual was a revelation by a former CIA operative that his agency was concerned that Get Smart’s writers occasionally came too close to reality, especially the Cone of Silence which they in fact had created. The agency considered sending the producers a list of areas to avoid, but elected not to as they feared such a list would result in a parody of their effort."2
Very likely. After all, a prime directive of Buck Henry, Mel Brooks, and the other creators of Get Smart was to satirize a profession they felt was idiotic. Some true-life encounters could have indeed easily been inspirations for Get Smart scripts. For example, both governmental and industry representatives came to film sets when they were either hopeful that some gadgets might be useful in the field or when they feared, as with Get Smart, Hollywood might have stumbled onto gizmos actually in use.

Creepy enough, now check this out... part of their plot, Kaos was constructing government office buildings in Washington, D.C., and waiting until the office buildings were fully occupied to detonate the explosives with all the workers inside. They were purposely underbidding all the other contractors because Kaos was subsidizing the company so that they could get the government contracts, even at a loss. A German Baron who owned an explosives company that supplied the Germans in WWI and WWIII was supplying the explosives. Joshua told Smart that all Kaos had to do was shoot a bullet at the bricks to initiate a chain reaction detonation of the explosives to bring down the whole building (a miniature version of 9/11). At the end of the episode, the Chief and Max are at the site and the Chief asks, "Where did you put the nitroglycerin?" Smart replies, "Oh, don't worry, Chief, I put it in a safe place. I put it in the cement." The workers were just mixing the cement then. I could swear that the first time I saw the episode, the show then closed with a big explosion. But the second time I saw it several months later, the show ended less dramatically, with Smart and the Chief realizing that the building would still blow up when occupied.

In the concrete... The concrete that mysteriously pulverizes itself during the collapse and has been the subject of so much debate...
It is very difficult to get much information about those involved with the creation of the "Get Smart" TV series. It turns out it was produced by a company called Talent Associates, which was formed in 1948 by David Susskind. Previous to this, he was a talent scout for MCA. According to Dr. John Coleman (1996) MCA has always been an arm of British intelligence, MI6, and the Committee of 300.

Episode 52 was written by Arne Sultan, interestingly, all his episodes showed the puzzle pieces for the commercial breaks. Despite being a major player in the entertainment business, his personal life is pretty obscured.

I don't know how accurate this statement is but jeezus...
Further research uncovers that Yamasaki was a favorite architect of the Bin Laden family patrons, i.e. the Saudi royal family.

On this link, about halfway down the page, this guy has done some calculations that make alot of sense to me...
Now I will list some questions that have gone unanswered in my mind from the beginning. You undoubtedly have some of your own, but these are some I had that only the explosive concrete theory can answer thus far. I will attempt to explain them later in the paper.

Why did the second building that was hit end up being the first one to fall?

Why so little debris? As already proven, it should have been a lot higher than "a few stories."

Why no chunks of concrete found? Eyewitnesses and photos document that no significant-sized pieces of concrete were remaining.

Why so much dust? A normal building collapse, even with controlled explosives, does not generate such tremendous quantities of dust. Experienced witnesses said there was "incredible" amounts of dust (see description below).

Why were remains of survivors so vaporized? This should not have happened if the building simply collapsed from a fire.

What is the cause of the "WTC cough?" Doctors still have no clue as to what caused it. Dr. Prezant says, "It's a persistent cough,...a sore throat, and interestingly enough, accompanying GI irritation." (Zucker, 2001)


I know it sounds crazy, but then again does it sound so crazy? What sounds crazy to me is THAT MUCH concrete turning itself into micron sized dust because of fire. Ah well, regardless, episode 52 was one hell of cooincidence if nothing else given the premise of the show.

Thought I would throw this in for interest...
According to the bible (Joshua 5:13-6:27) it was the first battle of the Israelites during their conquest of Canaan....
Safely escaping the city the two returned to Joshua and reported that the "whole land was melting with fear".

Note also that Fit is also an old past tense for fought, in other words the title of this episode is possibly more aptly "Smart Fought The Battle Of Jericho".

Once they had built their towers (primed the pump so to speak), they needed a psychological trigger. So they associated 911 with an emergency in peoples minds.


Originally posted by In nothing we trust

911 telephone number traced back to 1968

What was the purpose of programming the population with the 911 phone number?

The Profits of Doom

1) Associate

911 with emergency

Revelation 18:9-10

9"When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her.
10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
" 'Woe! Woe, O great city,
O Babylon, city of power!
In one hour your doom has come!' &version3=0&version4=0&version5=0&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0

Omega shown here is the last letter of the Greek alphabet possibly symbolizing the end.

2) Associate

The Fall

Buildings in the shape of a paper airplane hitting the ground

3) Associate

The twins

Two Towers = The Twins = Gemini ruled by Mercury = Hermes= God of Trade & Commerce = Lucifer

Ezekiel 28:16

Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones. on3=0&version4=0&version5=0&Submit.x=54&Submit.y=13

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posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 08:18 PM
Part 3

Supporting reference material.

Don't forget, they control the US treasury and the banking system. They allow this all to be brought to light, because they know that if it can't stand up to the light then thier work is in vain. They leave clues behind, because they want you to believe. Remember they would prefer not to enslave you, but they will if they need to. Self preservation if a basic human emotion and they will preserve themselves at your expense if you allow it.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
Who's eye is in the pyramid on the $1.00 bill

I believe that it belongs to the greek goddess Discordia. The goddess of selfishness, chaos and greed. Coincidently there is also an apple associated with Discordia, just like the Eve character from the bible.

On the dollar bill we find the Great Seal which depicts a left eye over an unfinished pyramid with 13 steps. No one knows exactly what it means and many theories exist. Freemasons claim it as a Masonic symbol, others say it represents an occult symbol, others yet say it describes a Satanic mark (the Evil Eye), etc.


In Greek mythology, Eris (translated into Latin as Discordia) was the goddess of discord or the personification of strife. At the wedding of Achilles' parents, Peleus and the nymph Thetis, Eris threw out her golden apple of discord with the message that it was to be awarded the most beautiful. Three goddesses contended for it. Paris, a son of King Priam of Troy was selected to pick the most beautiful among Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite. Based on his choice, Aphrodite received the apple of discord.

Her Greek opposite is Harmonia, whose Latin counterpart is Concordia.

Interesting side note: Eris isn't that far from the spelling of Iris.

Iris - The pigmented, round, contractile membrane of the eye, suspended between the cornea and lens and perforated by the pupil. It regulates the amount of light entering the eye.


And just who would Disacodia choose to be her mate?

Why Mars the god of war of course. Together they could rule over the little people.

Entrance to the US capital building.

What is the agenda of Discordia, the goddess of chaos and discord and the god of war, Mars?

Greed and selfisness of course.

How do they maintain thier power?

By getting the little people to fight each other. They know that if the little people ever catch a clue, they will join together to overthrow them.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
The flightpath of flight 77

To the right of the yellow arrow is the heliport

Now project the line of the attack out past the pentagon. Take a piece of paper and hold it on the flight path of flight 77 and follow it out. Line up on the heliport and the cloverleaf interchange on the highway (Far bottom right). That little square at the bottom of the pentagon is the heliport.

You can doublecheck the alignment on this google map,-77.032957&spn=0.039152,0.133209&iwloc=A

What do we find? Well that looks like the capital building.

And what do we find at the entrance to the capital building?

Mars - A statute tribute to the God Mars, the Roman God of War and agriculture

The seeds of war

Terrorists hidden in a cave indeed

Please notice the 19.5 degree angle between the impact at the pentagon and the capital building.

Next please see how 19.5 is incorporated into the world trade centers construction.

The world trade center building

The 208-foot wide facade is, in effect, a prefabricated steel lattice, with columns on 39-inch centers acting as wind bracing to resist all overturning forces; the central core takes only the gravity loads of the building. A very light, economical structure results by keeping the wind bracing in the most efficient place, the outside surface of the building, thus not transferring the forces through the floor membrane to the core, as in most curtain-wall structures. Office spaces will have no interior columns. In the upper floors there is as much as 40,000 square feet of office space per floor. The floor construction is of prefabricated trussed steel, only 33 inches in depth, that spans the full 60 feet to the core, and also acts as a diaphragm to stiffen the outside wall against lateral buckling forces from wind-load pressures."
“... a prefabricated steel lattice, with columns on 39-inch centers …”
As everyone who has followed our research should instantly recognize by now, 39 is none other than --

Twice 19.5!

Two towers … twice 19.5 … creating a 39-inch separation of the steel.
“ … The floor construction is of prefabricated trussed steel, only 33 inches in depth, that spans the full 60 feet to the core .…”

And, again, those of you have followed our research will instantly recognize that --
“33” is not only the highest attainable Degree in Masonry in the Scottish Rite … it is also (and more fundamentally) the sin of 19.5 degrees.

“60” of course is the critical angle in both equilateral triangles and the tetrahedra of which they are comprised -- the latter incorporating those same critical circumscribed 19.5-degree angles …

More bizarre symbology from the 9/11 pentagon attack

Disinformation at the pentagon - flight 77 final turn and angle of impact

Angle of flight 77 as it hits the pentagon is 52 degrees

Great pyramid angle is 51.5 degrees

Coincidence or conspiracy?


Let's Talk Angles at the Pentagon

Hebrews 9:10
They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings?external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

Hebrews 9:11

The Blood of Christ

When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.

We're all gonna go through the eye of the needle, you can't take your wealth with you, when you die.

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posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 09:30 PM
Number 1 ) The dancing Israelies!! - Apparently there were at least two groups of Mossad agents strategically placed around NYC and NJ with video cameras set up before the attacks began. When the planes crashed, these men were seen dancing with joy and screaming exclamations in hebrew. Around 8:48 AM, 5 men from apparently two separate vans were arrested trying to plants bombs on the GWB. 40 days later they were quitely released.

Number 2 ) Patriot Act and was drawn up before 9-11. Who could write a comprehensive 342-page bill that bypasses the Constitution so quickly? Patriot act was rammed through congress when we were most vulnerable and without congress being able to read it. Voting was held open until it passed.

Number 3 ) Anthrax Attacks - Used anthrax made at Ft. Dietrich. White House began taking cipro on 9/11... Hmm. Anthrax was sent to politicians opposed to patriot act. No one has even been arrested.

Number 4 ) 84 videos of the pentagon strike have been confiscated. Originally only four frames were released not showing a plane. Now two more videos have been released five years later, again, not showing a plane. Why wait so long to release them? Why not release them all? The best video to either confirm or bust the official pentagon story is from a VDOT freeway cam that clearly shows the side of the pentagon hit. It would clearly show the impact. This video has not been released.

Number 5 ) Bushes, bin Ladens and the ISI - George Bush Sr. and bin Laden Sr. were business partners. The bin Laden family financed George Bush Jr.'s early failed businesses. George Bush Sr. and the bin Laden family are on the board of the Carlyle Group, a large defense contractor. The respected French daily Le Figaro owned by the Carlyle Group which employs George Bush Sr., reported that Osama bin Laden underwent treatment 72 days prior to 9/11 at the American Hospital in Dubai, he met a senior CIA official.

According to the University of Ottawa Professor Michel Chossudovsky in his essay Cover-up or Complicity of the Bush Administration?; in the week prior to 9/11 all of Bush's cabinet met with Mahmud Ahmad, the Pakistani ISI head of security, the man who is fingered in bankrolling bin Laden by wiring $100,000 to the lead hijacker Muhamed Atta just prior to 9/11. During the week before 9/11, Ahmad met with nearly all of the top people in Bush's administration. The instant the first plane hit on 9/11 hit Mahmud Ahmad was having breakfast with Representative Porter Goss, R-Sanibel, Senator Bob Graham D-Florida and other members of the House Intelligence Committee. Ahmad's punishment for his role was being given early retirement according to the Times of India 2001-10-09.

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