Dangit!
I forgot a few important details under sections under:
9/11 Commission Report
9/11 Commission Report: "terrorist threats, was in the tens of thousands—probably hundreds of thousands."
blog.myspace.com...
Some Examples of Insanely Incredible/Diversionary Issues
Miss-1)
under, Pentagon:
Donald Rumsfeld stated "and the missile to damage this building":
www.the7thfire.com...
Miss-2)
under, Flight 93:
Donald Rumsfeld stated "shot down the plane over Pennsylvania":
video.google.com...
With those 2 cases (Pentagon, Flight 93) whatever really happened is irrelevant, the big story is that either those Rumsfeld claims are true, or
they're intentionally toying with us on this most serious matter to create diversion. For those who doubt this view, take GWB's actions as
supporting evidence:
Miss-X)
GWB on the day of 9/11:
He claimed that he watched the first plane impact:
www.whitehouse.gov...
And then elaborates on it even further:
www.whitehouse.gov...
On top of all of the confusing controversy already surrounding the school event:
www.cooperativeresearch.org.../11=bush
It comes down to this: Critics suggest we believe those 'official' statements are true, or apologists assert we're to believe that those statements
are just "cockup". I declare False Dichotomy:
en.wikipedia.org...
With the third solution being that these real-scenarios are merely ploys to create total confusion. In any case, in light of the other case points
presented here, the apologist viewpoint is itself "insanely incredible".
Sorry. I crashed right after doing the main writeup and the Osama/USMilitary-history thread I did for this presentation. Exhaustive.
[edit on 5-4-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]
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reply posted on 19-4-2007 @ 11:10 AM by whatukno
Ok I don't think this contest is going to end so I will post this...
1. We know that the twin towers were designed in its construction to withstand an impact from a Boeing 707. The aircraft that were used were a Boeing 767-200, and a Boeing 747-200ER both comparable in size, speed, weight, and fuel capacity. These aircraft did not have a full fuel load having only being fueled enough for the trips they were scheduled to take that day. Upon impact a majority of the available fuel load was used up in the initial fireball. The remaining jet fuel, while being capable of attaining the heat sufficient enough to weaken structural steel did not have the time, nor did it weaken enough of the structure to facilitate the complete collapse of the twin towers. Nor was the available fuel located in the office furniture, desks, chairs, drywall, able to keep the heat level hot enough to weaken the internal core of the building enough to allow the collapse of the twin towers in the classic pancake effect. Also heat does not cut metal as was seen in the aftermath of the collapse.
2. We know that amazingly the only buildings that were destroyed were the buildings at the WTC complex, buildings 1, 2 & 7. Surrounding buildings while severely damaged by the collapse of the twin towers are still standing, and still being used to this day. If explosives were indeed not used, and the collapses were the result of only the impact of the two aircraft, the damage would not have been as severe for one and if somehow the buildings were destroyed by impacts from the aircraft, the damage pattern would have been far different. However we have here a complete and total collapse of these three buildings. To site an example of a building collapse due to progressive structural failure we must look at The Ronan Point Tower Apartment Case where due to inadequate construction this building did have a progressive collapse but it was not a total global collapse.
3. Larry Silverstein leases the World Trade Center Complex for a period of 99 years, longer than his own life expectancy, longer than any reasonable term on a lease, unless the person was to expect to lease the property for the remainder of the usable period of time the property would be in existence. The property a fiscally loosing investment for the New York City Port Authority is not a wise investment for anyone to buy into. The WTC complex cost more to maintain than it generated in revenue, until the attacks, when it suddenly became a quite profitable property for Mr. Silverstein to have invested in. Especially after successfully arguing that the attacks were two separate incidents and thus doubling his return on the insurance on the property.
4. The New York Office of Emergency Management was prepared the day prior to the event for a catastrophe of the magnitude of 9/11. Serendipitously and amazingly ready with the crews needed handle the aftermath of this horrible and terrible disaster.
5. There was a 30 hour power down of the twin towers prior to the attack, during which a unidentified crew was allowed into the buildings for an extended period of time, unsupervised and unrecorded. Elevators in buildings can run independently with the main power off to a building with the aide of backup power as each building was equipped with. Huge diesel generators located in the buildings facilitate the operations of elevators in the event of a power outage. So the possibility that these crews could have brought up the large amounts of explosives needed to wire these buildings to blow.
[edit on 3-6-2007 by asala]
1. We know that the twin towers were designed in its construction to withstand an impact from a Boeing 707. The aircraft that were used were a Boeing 767-200, and a Boeing 747-200ER both comparable in size, speed, weight, and fuel capacity. These aircraft did not have a full fuel load having only being fueled enough for the trips they were scheduled to take that day. Upon impact a majority of the available fuel load was used up in the initial fireball. The remaining jet fuel, while being capable of attaining the heat sufficient enough to weaken structural steel did not have the time, nor did it weaken enough of the structure to facilitate the complete collapse of the twin towers. Nor was the available fuel located in the office furniture, desks, chairs, drywall, able to keep the heat level hot enough to weaken the internal core of the building enough to allow the collapse of the twin towers in the classic pancake effect. Also heat does not cut metal as was seen in the aftermath of the collapse.
2. We know that amazingly the only buildings that were destroyed were the buildings at the WTC complex, buildings 1, 2 & 7. Surrounding buildings while severely damaged by the collapse of the twin towers are still standing, and still being used to this day. If explosives were indeed not used, and the collapses were the result of only the impact of the two aircraft, the damage would not have been as severe for one and if somehow the buildings were destroyed by impacts from the aircraft, the damage pattern would have been far different. However we have here a complete and total collapse of these three buildings. To site an example of a building collapse due to progressive structural failure we must look at The Ronan Point Tower Apartment Case where due to inadequate construction this building did have a progressive collapse but it was not a total global collapse.
3. Larry Silverstein leases the World Trade Center Complex for a period of 99 years, longer than his own life expectancy, longer than any reasonable term on a lease, unless the person was to expect to lease the property for the remainder of the usable period of time the property would be in existence. The property a fiscally loosing investment for the New York City Port Authority is not a wise investment for anyone to buy into. The WTC complex cost more to maintain than it generated in revenue, until the attacks, when it suddenly became a quite profitable property for Mr. Silverstein to have invested in. Especially after successfully arguing that the attacks were two separate incidents and thus doubling his return on the insurance on the property.
4. The New York Office of Emergency Management was prepared the day prior to the event for a catastrophe of the magnitude of 9/11. Serendipitously and amazingly ready with the crews needed handle the aftermath of this horrible and terrible disaster.
5. There was a 30 hour power down of the twin towers prior to the attack, during which a unidentified crew was allowed into the buildings for an extended period of time, unsupervised and unrecorded. Elevators in buildings can run independently with the main power off to a building with the aide of backup power as each building was equipped with. Huge diesel generators located in the buildings facilitate the operations of elevators in the event of a power outage. So the possibility that these crews could have brought up the large amounts of explosives needed to wire these buildings to blow.
[edit on 3-6-2007 by asala]
reply posted on 28-5-2007 @ 03:27 PM by coughymachine
POINT FOUR
In 1956, Marion Hubbert King, a geophysicist with the Shell Oil Company, presented a paper to the American Petroleum Institute entitled ‘Nuclear Energy and the Fossil Fuels’. He used this paper to make two predictions about the date the US would reach its peak rate of oil production: a low estimate, with a peak in 1965; and a high estimate, with a peak in 1970. Hubbert’s peak theory has proven to be broadly accurate – US production peaked in 1971. He went on to put the date of world peak at around the year 2000.
A post-Peak Oil world presents a potentially grave threat to mature, industrialised nations such as the US, whose manufacturing, construction, and transportation industries all require energy derived from oil. As Colin J Campbell, writing in The Energy Bulletin, points out, US economic expansion has historically been fuelled by debt, with cheap oil-based energy as collateral. But…
But declining oil production is only part of the problem; security of access is the other, particularly for the US, which consumes 25% of global output. The Hubbert Curve posits that if Peak Oil occurred in 2006 (as many now believe it did) then, absent of any mitigating factors, the rate of production in 2026 will be roughly equal to that of 1986. However, the combined effects of a growing population coupled with the increasing oil dependency of newly industrialised nations will lead to an escalation in resource-oriented competition.
To put this into perspective, in 1986 the rate of world oil production was just over 60 mb/d (million barrels per day) and the world’s population was around 5 billion. If Peak Oil occurred in 2006, then by 2026 the theoretical rate of production would also be around 60 mb/d, however, according to the US Census Bureau, the world’s population in 2026 will have grown to around 8 billion.
More significantly, growth in both population and oil consumption rates has not been and will not be uniform. Between 1986 and 2006, for example, the combined populations of China and India grew by around 31% (source: US Census Bureau), whilst the rest of the world grew by just 19%. Regional variations in oil dependency were even more pronounced, with consumption in China and India growing six times fatser than the overall world rate (source: BP Statistical Review of World Energy June 2006).
Asia’s rapidly growing population and oil dependency thus presents a threat to the ability of the US to meet its energy needs. This threat will be exacerbated by a decline in the relative importance of its traditional sources and an increase in the relative importance of the Middle East.
Historically, despite acquiring around 10% of its oil imports from Saudi Arabia, the US has not relied heavily upon Middle East energy. Nonetheless, as Mamoun Fandy in his 1997 article for Foreign Policy in Focus explains, it has long viewed the region as vital to its strategic interests.
But dependence upon Canada, Mexico and Venezuela cannot be regarded as a long-term solution to its domestic production deficit. These countries have or are about to experience their own peak. By contrast, the Middle East isn’t expected to peak until around 2011. Furthermore, by 2020, with production rates declining more rapidly elsewhere, the Middle East is expected to produce more oil than all other regions combined.
In 2001, The National Energy Policy Development Group (known as the NEPD Group and chaired by newly appointed-Vice President, Dick Cheney) alluded to this ‘crossover event’ in its ‘National Energy Policy’ report.
At the time, Gulf oil producers accounted for just over 30% of total world production.
But the Middle East is not the only region considered vital to US interests. The break-up of the Soviet Union in the aftermath of the Afghan-Soviet war has also led to a battle for energy dominance in and around the Caspian Sea. This battle has been termed the ‘New Great Game’, with interested parties competing not only for oil but also for the development of lucrative new transit routes as alternatives to the region’s existing infrastructure. Long-standing US policy goals regarding the now-independent littoral Central Asian Republics were reiterated in a statement to the House of Representatives Committee on International Relations by Doug Bereuter, the Chairman of the subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific. They include…
[edit on 28-5-2007 by coughymachine]
In 1956, Marion Hubbert King, a geophysicist with the Shell Oil Company, presented a paper to the American Petroleum Institute entitled ‘Nuclear Energy and the Fossil Fuels’. He used this paper to make two predictions about the date the US would reach its peak rate of oil production: a low estimate, with a peak in 1965; and a high estimate, with a peak in 1970. Hubbert’s peak theory has proven to be broadly accurate – US production peaked in 1971. He went on to put the date of world peak at around the year 2000.
A post-Peak Oil world presents a potentially grave threat to mature, industrialised nations such as the US, whose manufacturing, construction, and transportation industries all require energy derived from oil. As Colin J Campbell, writing in The Energy Bulletin, points out, US economic expansion has historically been fuelled by debt, with cheap oil-based energy as collateral. But…
…[t]he decline of oil, the principal driver of economic growth, undermines the validity of that collateral which in turn erodes the valuation of most entities quoted on Stock Exchanges. The investment community however faces a dilemma. It desires to protect its own fortunes and those of its privileged clients while at the same time is reluctant to take action that might itself trigger the meltdown.
But declining oil production is only part of the problem; security of access is the other, particularly for the US, which consumes 25% of global output. The Hubbert Curve posits that if Peak Oil occurred in 2006 (as many now believe it did) then, absent of any mitigating factors, the rate of production in 2026 will be roughly equal to that of 1986. However, the combined effects of a growing population coupled with the increasing oil dependency of newly industrialised nations will lead to an escalation in resource-oriented competition.
To put this into perspective, in 1986 the rate of world oil production was just over 60 mb/d (million barrels per day) and the world’s population was around 5 billion. If Peak Oil occurred in 2006, then by 2026 the theoretical rate of production would also be around 60 mb/d, however, according to the US Census Bureau, the world’s population in 2026 will have grown to around 8 billion.
More significantly, growth in both population and oil consumption rates has not been and will not be uniform. Between 1986 and 2006, for example, the combined populations of China and India grew by around 31% (source: US Census Bureau), whilst the rest of the world grew by just 19%. Regional variations in oil dependency were even more pronounced, with consumption in China and India growing six times fatser than the overall world rate (source: BP Statistical Review of World Energy June 2006).
Asia’s rapidly growing population and oil dependency thus presents a threat to the ability of the US to meet its energy needs. This threat will be exacerbated by a decline in the relative importance of its traditional sources and an increase in the relative importance of the Middle East.
Historically, despite acquiring around 10% of its oil imports from Saudi Arabia, the US has not relied heavily upon Middle East energy. Nonetheless, as Mamoun Fandy in his 1997 article for Foreign Policy in Focus explains, it has long viewed the region as vital to its strategic interests.
Securing the flow of affordable oil is a cornerstone of U.S. Middle East policy. The U.S. strategy of dual containment of Iran and Iraq, designed to ensure that neiher [sic] Iraq nor Iran is capable of threatening neighboring Gulf countries, is inextricably linked to Washington’s oil policy. Currently, U.S. domestic oil production supplies about 50% of total U.S. consumption. Foreign sources provide the rest, primarily Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, and several African countries.
But dependence upon Canada, Mexico and Venezuela cannot be regarded as a long-term solution to its domestic production deficit. These countries have or are about to experience their own peak. By contrast, the Middle East isn’t expected to peak until around 2011. Furthermore, by 2020, with production rates declining more rapidly elsewhere, the Middle East is expected to produce more oil than all other regions combined.
In 2001, The National Energy Policy Development Group (known as the NEPD Group and chaired by newly appointed-Vice President, Dick Cheney) alluded to this ‘crossover event’ in its ‘National Energy Policy’ report.
By 2020, Gulf oil producers are expected to supply between 54% and 67% of the world’s oil. Thus the global economy will almost certainly continue to depend upon the supply of oil from Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) members, particularly in the Gulf.
At the time, Gulf oil producers accounted for just over 30% of total world production.
But the Middle East is not the only region considered vital to US interests. The break-up of the Soviet Union in the aftermath of the Afghan-Soviet war has also led to a battle for energy dominance in and around the Caspian Sea. This battle has been termed the ‘New Great Game’, with interested parties competing not only for oil but also for the development of lucrative new transit routes as alternatives to the region’s existing infrastructure. Long-standing US policy goals regarding the now-independent littoral Central Asian Republics were reiterated in a statement to the House of Representatives Committee on International Relations by Doug Bereuter, the Chairman of the subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific. They include…
…fostering the independence of the States and their ties to the West; breaking Russia’s monopoly over oil and gas transport routes; promoting Western energy security through diversified suppliers; encouraging the construction of east-west pipelines that do not transit Iran; and denying Iran dangerous leverage over the Central Asian economies.
[edit on 28-5-2007 by coughymachine]
reply posted on 28-5-2007 @ 03:31 PM by coughymachine
POINT FIVE
The final point consists of two elements that arise from the same fundamental philosophy – the determination of the US to eliminate the influence of the Soviets in Europe and, if possible, to precipitate the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Operation Gladio and The Strategy of Tension.
Operation Gladio was originally conceived by Allen Dulles, who went on to become the first civilian Director of the CIA. It was the Italian code name given to NATO’s clandestine stay-behind armies, which were left across Europe after the war to better train partisan groups to counter the threat of Communist expansion. Initially, these armies were coordinated solely by the Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC) until, upon the orders of NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR), a second command centre was formed in the shape of the Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC).
These stay-behind armies later became key backers in what was known in Italy as the Strategy of Tension. This right wing, anti-Communist programme was aimed at preventing the increasingly popular Italian Communist Party from participating in a governing coalition. It lasted for over a decade. Throughout the campaign, Gladio members employed both violent and non-violent methods to manipulate public opinion against the Party, often committing false flag attacks and then blaming them on Communist insurgents. These were conducted indiscriminately against both civilian and non-civilian targets, and included the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing, the 1972 Peteano car bombing, the attempted assassination of former Interior Minister Mariano Rumor and the 1980 Bologna massacre.
Gladio first came to light in August 1990, when then Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti gave testimony to a Senate subcommittee investigation into terrorism in Italy. Andreotti revealed that the secret army had been hidden within the Defence Ministry as a sub-section of the SISMI and its predecessor, the SOIS, Italy’s military secret service. This revelation infuriated the former Director of SIOS, Vito Miceli, who had “gone to prison because I did not want to reveal the existence of this super secret organization.” An organisation, which according to Vincenzo Vinciguerra, one of the 1972 Peteano car bombers, was required to “attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game [in order to force] the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.” Subsequent investigations have since revealed that Gladio-style armies also operated in Belgium (SDRA8), Denmark (Absalon), Germany (TD BJD), Greece (LOK), Luxembourg (Stay-Behind), the Netherlands (I&O), Norway (ROC), Portugal (Aginter), Switzerland (P26), Turkey (Counter-Guerrilla), Sweden (AGAG), and Austria (OWSGV).
Following these disclosures, the European Parliament issued a Joint resolution condemning Gladio.
Operation Cyclone.
In 1978, Nur Muhammad Taraki, the Secretary General of the Communist People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), became the first Communist leader of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.
Taraki’s government immediately began the process of reform. It laid out a Marxist agenda, which included land and education reforms, as well as more liberal attitudes towards women. These were seen as an affront to the traditional rural and feudal Afghan way of life; they were also seen as an attack on Islam. By mid-1978, mujahideen insurgents had already established a base in Pakistan and had turned to the West, in particular the United States, for support.
In September 1979, Taraki was killed and Deputy Prime Minister, Hafizullah Amin, took control. Soviet leaders soon began to question his loyalty to Moscow following reports that he was purging the opposition of Soviet sympathisers and that he was a CIA agent. Indeed, the Soviets strongly suspected that the CIA had, for some time, been active within Afghanistan. On 27th December 1979, they intervened militarily in support of the Communist revolution.
The Soviet’s suspicion was later confirmed by the then US National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in an interview with Le Nouvel Observateur in January 1998.
The CIA’s support of the Islamic mujahideen (Operation Cyclone) relied heavily on the intermediation of Pakistani secret service agency, the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI). Much of that support, whether in the form of recruits, finance or equipment, was distributed by the ISI to the mujahideen via Maktab al Khidamar (MAK), which was founded by Dr Abdullah Azzam and Osama bin Laden.
Between 1979 and 1992, the CIA is said to have helped train over 100,000 Islamic insurgents at a cost of up to $20 billion. In his book, ‘Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism’, John Cooley reveals that some insurgents were recruited in the US and sent to the CIA’s spy training camp in Camp Peary, where they received paramilitary training.
[edit on 28-5-2007 by coughymachine]
The final point consists of two elements that arise from the same fundamental philosophy – the determination of the US to eliminate the influence of the Soviets in Europe and, if possible, to precipitate the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Operation Gladio and The Strategy of Tension.
Operation Gladio was originally conceived by Allen Dulles, who went on to become the first civilian Director of the CIA. It was the Italian code name given to NATO’s clandestine stay-behind armies, which were left across Europe after the war to better train partisan groups to counter the threat of Communist expansion. Initially, these armies were coordinated solely by the Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC) until, upon the orders of NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR), a second command centre was formed in the shape of the Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC).
These stay-behind armies later became key backers in what was known in Italy as the Strategy of Tension. This right wing, anti-Communist programme was aimed at preventing the increasingly popular Italian Communist Party from participating in a governing coalition. It lasted for over a decade. Throughout the campaign, Gladio members employed both violent and non-violent methods to manipulate public opinion against the Party, often committing false flag attacks and then blaming them on Communist insurgents. These were conducted indiscriminately against both civilian and non-civilian targets, and included the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing, the 1972 Peteano car bombing, the attempted assassination of former Interior Minister Mariano Rumor and the 1980 Bologna massacre.
Gladio first came to light in August 1990, when then Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti gave testimony to a Senate subcommittee investigation into terrorism in Italy. Andreotti revealed that the secret army had been hidden within the Defence Ministry as a sub-section of the SISMI and its predecessor, the SOIS, Italy’s military secret service. This revelation infuriated the former Director of SIOS, Vito Miceli, who had “gone to prison because I did not want to reveal the existence of this super secret organization.” An organisation, which according to Vincenzo Vinciguerra, one of the 1972 Peteano car bombers, was required to “attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game [in order to force] the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.” Subsequent investigations have since revealed that Gladio-style armies also operated in Belgium (SDRA8), Denmark (Absalon), Germany (TD BJD), Greece (LOK), Luxembourg (Stay-Behind), the Netherlands (I&O), Norway (ROC), Portugal (Aginter), Switzerland (P26), Turkey (Counter-Guerrilla), Sweden (AGAG), and Austria (OWSGV).
Following these disclosures, the European Parliament issued a Joint resolution condemning Gladio.
Operation Cyclone.
In 1978, Nur Muhammad Taraki, the Secretary General of the Communist People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), became the first Communist leader of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.
Taraki’s government immediately began the process of reform. It laid out a Marxist agenda, which included land and education reforms, as well as more liberal attitudes towards women. These were seen as an affront to the traditional rural and feudal Afghan way of life; they were also seen as an attack on Islam. By mid-1978, mujahideen insurgents had already established a base in Pakistan and had turned to the West, in particular the United States, for support.
In September 1979, Taraki was killed and Deputy Prime Minister, Hafizullah Amin, took control. Soviet leaders soon began to question his loyalty to Moscow following reports that he was purging the opposition of Soviet sympathisers and that he was a CIA agent. Indeed, the Soviets strongly suspected that the CIA had, for some time, been active within Afghanistan. On 27th December 1979, they intervened militarily in support of the Communist revolution.
The Soviet’s suspicion was later confirmed by the then US National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in an interview with Le Nouvel Observateur in January 1998.
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the National Security Adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
The CIA’s support of the Islamic mujahideen (Operation Cyclone) relied heavily on the intermediation of Pakistani secret service agency, the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI). Much of that support, whether in the form of recruits, finance or equipment, was distributed by the ISI to the mujahideen via Maktab al Khidamar (MAK), which was founded by Dr Abdullah Azzam and Osama bin Laden.
Between 1979 and 1992, the CIA is said to have helped train over 100,000 Islamic insurgents at a cost of up to $20 billion. In his book, ‘Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism’, John Cooley reveals that some insurgents were recruited in the US and sent to the CIA’s spy training camp in Camp Peary, where they received paramilitary training.
[edit on 28-5-2007 by coughymachine]
reply posted on 25-6-2007 @ 04:38 PM by 11Bravo
Im sure this wont go over well and it will probably get me banned but I must speak my mind.
Was this some kind of joke?
Has anybody 'won' any points?
In my mind, simple as it is, this is what I see.
S.O. visits with NY Truth on or around January 11.
I found this odd because in my time here at ATS I have seen S.O. as one of the more aggressive 'debunkers' reguarding 9/11.
Soon there after S.O. set up The 911 pound gorilla in an attempt to 'brand' and 'market' 911 truth. ?
He says he is working with " the most active/relevant 9/11 Truth Group, with a large publisher, and the largest conspiracy discussion board (us) for a knock-out 1-2-3 punch" but barely two weeks later he says they have 'hit a bump' and the idea is "on hold".
Slightly more then a week later one of the NY Truthers is found dead
I have never heard the official explination of his death.
Less then one week after that and S.O. starts a new thread What are the top 5 9/11 conspiracies? Where he offers a 'reward' or 'prize' for the winner.
No winner was ever announced that I saw, and as the thread is still open I assume no winner was named.
I find it odd that at the beginning of the years ATS seemed poised to finally throw their weight behind the truth movement, then it all just fizzled out with out so much as a wimper.
From my view it seems the 250,000 point game was just a way for 'them', whoever they may be, to isolate and focus on DEBUNKING various aspects of 9/11. The various aspects that most of us listed as our top five reasons for thinking there is a coverup surrounding 9/11.
Has anyone else noticed an increase in mis/dis info this year, or is it just me?
Now, I may be a bit biased, as I dont believe in ghosts or UFOs or remote veiwing or cryptozoology, but in all honesty, do any of those things really matter?
On the other hand, if 9/11 was an inside job, which the evidence suggests, shouldnt that be on the top of everybodies list of conspiracies to uncover?
I mean, 3000 Americans died because of 9/11, and people are dying daily because of the actions America took after 9/11, and there is no end in sight to the death and destruction.
If there was even the slightest chance they are lying to us about what happened then By God WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
Who cares about 'brands' and 'marketing'?
This isnt shoes we are selling, its truth we are telling, and no logo is neaded IMO.
If this post does get me banned, its been nice chatting with you all.
Stay strong and peaceful, it really is the only way.
Was this some kind of joke?
Has anybody 'won' any points?
In my mind, simple as it is, this is what I see.
S.O. visits with NY Truth on or around January 11.
I found this odd because in my time here at ATS I have seen S.O. as one of the more aggressive 'debunkers' reguarding 9/11.
Soon there after S.O. set up The 911 pound gorilla in an attempt to 'brand' and 'market' 911 truth. ?
He says he is working with " the most active/relevant 9/11 Truth Group, with a large publisher, and the largest conspiracy discussion board (us) for a knock-out 1-2-3 punch" but barely two weeks later he says they have 'hit a bump' and the idea is "on hold".
Slightly more then a week later one of the NY Truthers is found dead
I have never heard the official explination of his death.
Less then one week after that and S.O. starts a new thread What are the top 5 9/11 conspiracies? Where he offers a 'reward' or 'prize' for the winner.
No winner was ever announced that I saw, and as the thread is still open I assume no winner was named.
I find it odd that at the beginning of the years ATS seemed poised to finally throw their weight behind the truth movement, then it all just fizzled out with out so much as a wimper.
From my view it seems the 250,000 point game was just a way for 'them', whoever they may be, to isolate and focus on DEBUNKING various aspects of 9/11. The various aspects that most of us listed as our top five reasons for thinking there is a coverup surrounding 9/11.
Has anyone else noticed an increase in mis/dis info this year, or is it just me?
Now, I may be a bit biased, as I dont believe in ghosts or UFOs or remote veiwing or cryptozoology, but in all honesty, do any of those things really matter?
On the other hand, if 9/11 was an inside job, which the evidence suggests, shouldnt that be on the top of everybodies list of conspiracies to uncover?
I mean, 3000 Americans died because of 9/11, and people are dying daily because of the actions America took after 9/11, and there is no end in sight to the death and destruction.
If there was even the slightest chance they are lying to us about what happened then By God WE NEED TO FIND OUT.
Who cares about 'brands' and 'marketing'?
This isnt shoes we are selling, its truth we are telling, and no logo is neaded IMO.
If this post does get me banned, its been nice chatting with you all.
Stay strong and peaceful, it really is the only way.
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