I'd keep your thoughts on the individual conscience to yourself, the next time you're in Riyadh; and I'd watch the word "inspirationale" wher Islamic orthodoxy is concerned - the inspirational aspect is that the hadith purport to be Muhammad's teachings, they have nothing much to do with whoever complied them.
But, good points here about the diversity (perversity at times) of creeds and cults annd sects that huddle under any banner in the religious arena.
I would recommend some of the reading however and there is a good conspiracy angle to be explored with submission.org.
Again, points about Islam rather than about personal credo's would appear to be the way forward.

Originally posted by OrionSirius

Ultra..i would like to refer you to some good Islamic history links since you seem to know nothing about it and are speaking out of hate ..thats all i hear comming from you

It's normal OS. I don't like them ! But you don't know why I don't like them. I can explain you why, but like I know that you don't mind, I'll no do it.

So, think that they are smarts, gentles, goods etc...etc...if you want. You don't know what's really a muslim. When you are por-muslim like you are, you are just a treator against your own culture and civilisation.

You didn't study the differents points of view on Islam.You know only the so-called peace religion, and not his other side, his REAL side !!! Peoples like you are solding us to the muslims.

Excuse me UP? I do take that as insult for you have insulted not only my people but my beliefs, and what i stand for. I would tell you to take that back than i think what the use is of that. I will just have to leave you to yourself and your own beliefs since you do not listen to others opinions as truths.

Estragon, my friend you have much to read about in other parts of the world. The number one thing tho, more than reading is going through the experience of visiting a third world country..being in the midst of poverty and looking it in the eye, and than you begin to understand why these people do the things they do.

Whatever you read, its always..ALWAYS going to biast in the point of view of the author even tho he claims it not to be, it shows through somehow.

You did raise some good points and your the knowlege you have of Islam most certainly says you have researched on it, and i hope you continue to do so. Keep me posted of new findings and so shall I.
God Bless<>
OrionSirius

Originally posted by OrionSirius
Excuse me UP? I do take that as insult for you have insulted not only my people but my beliefs, and what i stand for. I would tell you to take that back than i think what the use is of that. I will just have to leave you to yourself and your own beliefs since you do not listen to others opinions as truths.

Ho ? You are muslim OS ? Ok, I understand now. I didn't try to insult you and I don't understand why you are feeling insulted.

Me, I feel insulted when I see all these muslims, here, in Europe !!! Muslim world & Christian world are in war since the 10th century. Allways, the muslims have attacked us. Before, they were using wars, now they have 2 new weapons : Terrorism and ethnical invasion.

I'm NOT that kind of poor little leftists sweetie who think that muslims are cools and nices. I see them like they are. OUR WORST AND DEADLY ENNEMY !!! Even the communists are less dangerous than them !!!

Occident have a brightfull civilisation, and if the things doesn't change, in 20 or 30 years, I will have to write : Occident HAD a brightfull civilisation !!!

Okay and you are wondering how you insulted me and probably any Muslim that does come to this website and sees your obscene and hideous remarks.

It only worries me to see people like you have no guilt when you write stuff like this, and believe me i dont really care if your a leftist or not..lemme ask you this..Are you a humaN being??

i CAN BET you are no older 16.

Lemme tell you something huney, in life, you will find out there are more important things than war and hate.

When you get older you will start to understand religion and values and you will learn what it really stands for.

I see no point in talking to you, so if i ignore you and your remarks, please forgive me.

OrionSirius

oh okay.

God Bless><
OrionSirius