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L.A. Hospital Drops Paraplegic Patient on Skid Row

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posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps

Originally posted by khunmoon
Very telling picture you paint there, smallpeeps, almost parabellic.

I just wonder how did it look twenty years ago? fifty years ago? I don't think it was that cruel.


LA was built by Mulholland who stole water from gorgeous and fertile vallies north of LA. Huge acreage was turned to desert to irrigate the desert basin called LA. It's an experiment of a city, and has always been so since the poor emigrated there in the fifties. One day it wil be totally gone, IMO.

Well, I was more thinking about the attitude of people back then.

I think they used to care, but things have changed.

How come it's changed that much?




posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by khunmoon
I think they used to care, but things have changed.

How come it's changed that much?

I don't have that answer, but this is not new in LA, that I do know for sure.

But If you keep driving past the soon-to-be-dead and mentally disturbed, and if you can get on the 10 west out of skid row, it's nice in Santa Monica. Over there the homeless people are just fifteen year old junkie beggars on the Promenade. Easier to deal with than a colostomy patient, but still unpleasant.

Oh, and if you head north from skid row and get to Wilshire Blvd, you can take it into Beverly Hills, where the homeless get picked up with giant sweeper machines. Nuthin funnier than BHPD... Ha ha.

Seriously tho', I feel bad for this guy, as I do for all residents of Los Angeles. But hey, Los Angeles is the barking chattering voice of America and it's only export: Entertainment. Why would anybody ever want it to go away?



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 04:12 AM
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Too bad nobody got pics.

The patient could have become a poster boy for national healthcare.

Then again, LA is destined to become a farm to provide protein for the rest of us anyway.



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 05:56 AM
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This is Sick!


I knew America had flaws, but I would never in my wildest dreams have imagined this! Throwing a man with a disability in the street. How could anyone who claims to be in the busness of helping people do such a terrible thing?

If they felt that for whatever reason, the man couldn't stay in the hospital, couldn't they have adleast called his family or found a nusing home for him, but to toss him in the street. The perps who committed this dispicable act need to be tossed in jail!


Tim


apc

posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Keyhole

They dropped him off wearing a hospital gown and a colostomy bag.

I think the hospital could have done a little more for this patient. How about helping him put on the clothes he was wearing when he got to the hospital?

..

How about dropping these people off at a homeless shelter, a mission, or some other such place that tries to help these people.



Maybe it was covered in vomit or blood? Maybe he was admitted naked? Maybe his clothes burst into flames and started flying about the ER setting people on fire while spitting man eating fleas at all the hot nurses?

Maybe they tried to get him to go to a shelter? Maybe he repeatedly refused? Maybe the hospital called the cops to force him to leave, but they laughed it off? Maybe they gave him the choice of skid row, and he took it?

Everyone's moaning and groaning about things they know nothing about, because we've been told nothing about them. OH IT'S SO DISGUSTING! Please... tell me what is disgusting? That they threw him in a gutter? I don't see where it says they just threw him there. I see the witnesses say he dropped himself on the street under his own power. Could he have been forced to do it? Sure. Do we know? NO!



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 07:37 PM
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apc, I would also have liked to know who this man was, but nowhere they state his name or age or details about his hospitalization. I wish someone would have told his story. What was his life before it went down the drain?

Chance is it was good, in the material sense of the word. I tend to think most American lifes are, but I don't know for sure, as I not live there or go there.

But America can't help --like in most people's lifes-- to be part of my daily life. Not just through its action putting the world at stake, but certainly also the perception given by media and most of all, entertainmaint, trivia and pop, makeing up a picture in your head as part of your daily life. For me part of that picture is also formed from what I learn from discussion on ATS.

I tend to think most of you Yanks are well off, doing fine, and still for the majority "good" people. But I don't know, cause I've never looked up any statistics on it, but I do understand an increasing group gets less and less out of their daily struggle for life. I'm talking about normal, hardworking people who have a job and a place.

Now, this poor man most likely once had a good life too, maybe even riding high, and whomever is to blame he ended were he did, is not the issue. Legal and matrimonial matters can chance a life in seconds. The issue is not even they dumped a loser in an alley, it happens all the time, as I understand from details and comments. The issue is they could do it.

That fact exposes the mental sanity of America right now. Disclaiming any bashing in that statement, I'm merely trying to understand where the American Dream went, as I've always understood the spirit of that dream to be of compassion and understanding, as it is of endeavour and opportunity. Why this absense of mercy then!?!

Oh, I see, it's a church matter, it's charity. Yes, I know, and that's why I can't understand this man wasn't brought to a proper shelter or other facillity of charity.

::edit grammar::

[edit on 12-2-2007 by khunmoon]


apc

posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 07:49 PM
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Which is why I make clear we don't know the details.

It is entirely possible that this man requested to be left where he was. He could have had bad experiences with the available shelters and whatnot.

As far as the problems here, I attribute that to a greater number of people taking on an entitlement mentality. More people feel the Government is here to provide everything for them. Many homeless and people living in poverty are there because they choose to be. Either because they don't choose to get themselves out of it, or because they like not having to work while still getting free handouts.

Regardless of the social issues in our nation, I do agree that these cases of homeless people being left on the street by hospitals is not a very good thing. But it is not the hospital's fault they are homeless. Caring for the less fortunate is not what hospitals are for. If I had been driving the vehicle involved, I would have dropped him off at the footsteps of some shelter, even if he went kicking and screaming.

Ok... maybe not kicking. oooooooh that was bad



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by apc

The hospital has to eat the costs. Plus they're using resources that would be better served with actual patients. Again, I don't know what medical problem brought this guy to the hospital. But once treatment is rendered and the patient is stable, what is the hospital supposed to do if the patient won't leave?


Well, we spend what, 50k a year to hold inmates in prison. Could we not also do the same for the homeless? After all, if convicts can earn 50k worth of food, transportation, medical attention, and shelter for a year, why not the homeless? There could be schools for the homeless (public schools are free anyway) and stuff, and try to help them get up on their feet again. Those that are too lazy would fall through the system, but those that need it, would be emboldened and actually start a new life.

Any thoughts?

Edit:

Not just homeless people, but those in institutions that can't take care of themselves. They should AT LEAST get treatment that criminals get...

[edit on 2/12/2007 by Arcane Demesne]


apc

posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 08:04 PM
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You know those guys on the corner with a sign that says something to the effect of "Give me money."? Most of them are there not because they have to be, but because they choose to be. It's easy money.

We already have a system set up to help these people rebuild their lives. It's called Capitalism.

The rest are homeless because they have mental issues. I honestly don't know what's best for them.



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 08:33 PM
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If anyone asks to be dumped on skid row amongst other choices, they're out of their minds, insane, thus to be taken care of their will regardlessly.

Capitalism! you say apc ...maybe that's what makes it show.

I'd say something with social ...but then we get close to socialism... and for some reasons I never really got, Americans don't like it, though social consciousness are prominent there.

But you got to have social awareness ...and responsibility



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by khunmoon


That fact exposes the mental sanity of America right now. Disclaiming any bashing in that statement, I'm merely trying to understand where the American Dream went, as I've always understood the spirit of that dream to be of compassion and understanding, as it is of endeavour and opportunity. Why this absense of mercy then!?!



Total agreement.

What happened to the America I grew up in?

This type of inhumane treatment does not have to happen!

How did it get like this with so many ignorant materialistic greedy people? We are strategically positioned where we need very little military what we have is for offence.

We could have a good life here again if we were not pumping so much money into something that is an arm of the multinational corporations.

To defend this country we only need a decent Navy and our nuclear arsenal. Everything else is for offence. We could have everything we wanted if we were not squandering our nations treasure on these tools for the corporations.

apc your comments are nothing short of shocking.



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by khunmoon


I'd say something with social ...but then we get close to socialism... and for some reasons I never really got, Americans don't like it, though social consciousness are prominent there.



It is called brainwshing. The entire nation has been driven nearly insane and none of them even know it. They seem to think America=capitolism, nd anything socialistic is our enemy.

We are sucking pretty bad lately, I hope we can get better at being human.


apc

posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 07:36 AM
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Being human... heh. So being human is telling people, "Don't worry. You don't have to work. You don't have to try and better yourself. You don't have to be responsible for your own life. We'll do everything for you, you poor thing you."

Socialized services should exist to protect, not provide. The only time they should exist to provide is for those who serve the people and as a result become unable to provide for themselves. eg A military veteran disabled in conflict [or a firefighter injured in a burning building
]. And even then, they should be limited by time with respect to their disability.

Sure, it would be great if more shelters existed that would provide a bed and some food for people willing to work for their stay. But hospitals do not exist to provide this. It is not even their duty to make sure homeless patients are sheltered once they are discharged. If they do so, it is a courtesy. A courtesy they should of course undertake, but not be mandated.


[edit on 13-2-2007 by apc]



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by apc...Socialized services should exist to protect, not provide. The only time they should exist to provide is for those who serve the people and as a result become unable to provide for themselves. eg A military veteran disabled in conflict [or a firefighter injured in a burning building
]. And even then, they should be limited by time with respect to their disability.


If my mother dies homeless I will remember you.


apc

posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:24 AM
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That's the problem...

If your mother dies homeless, it is you that should be remembered.

>
It is your responsibility to take care of your own. Don't expect everyone else to do it for you.

[edit on 13-2-2007 by apc]



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by apc
That's the problem...

If your mother dies homeless, it is you that should be remembered.


Now that is the truth! Good come-back apc.

Now if his entire family dies homeless, then can he remember you?

JK



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:49 AM
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I think some folks might think this is a new or isolated thing. It is not. suburbs of LA county (the nice areas) have been dumping their useless patients on skid row for years.

Isn;t it funny tho', how LA is kind like a moonbase? It's a totally experimental city. The whole city can be deep-sixed by shutting off the water and lighting a few fires.

Why would 30 million people live in a location which is naturally only able to support < 3 million people? Because they've been told not to worry. Meanwhile the Los Angeles "river" (concrete trench actually) is their lifeline, easily cut. Sad but true. Karma is building along the lines of New Orleans I imagine.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:52 AM
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Just another adhominem attack piece on American culture and values, this time courtesy of Kuhnmoon.

What happened to this man was reprehensible, and I pray for the souls of the despicable person(s) who decided to drop him off on the street rather than taking him to a VA hospital, State hospital or shelter. However, I will not sit idly by, and allow this incident to be turned into an indictment of American civilization and society.

This kind of thing happens all over the world (yes Khunmoon - even Thailand) And much worse happens in many other places. So why this attack on American Society for the actions of indivduals?

Your opinions about my countries policies and actions pertaining to universal health care, war, security are yours, and you're entitled to them, however it's beneath contempt to use this horrid example of individual cruelty to indict a whole society.

But that seems to be the norm here.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by darkbluesky
This kind of thing happens all over the world (yes Khunmoon - even Thailand) And much worse happens in many other places. So why this attack on American Society for the actions of indivduals?

Yeah but we are the nation who is using all the world's resources so it is reasonable for the rest of the world to expect us to have a better ethical standard toward each other, even if only as fellow citizens of America.



posted on Feb, 13 2007 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
Yeah but we are the nation who is using all the world's resources so it is reasonable for the rest of the world to expect us to have a better ethical standard toward each other.....


I don't see why. We "people of the earth" are all human. Why should Americans be expected to be any better than Brazilians, Canadians, Yemeni, Uzbheks, Estonians, Philipinos.......? Because we use more resources? Where is the correlation?



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