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U.S.: Iraq's Deadliest Bomb Made By Iran

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posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 08:51 AM
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The United States is claiming that the deadliest bomb used in Iraq against Coalition Forces is manufactured in Iran. The sophistication of the bomb, the existence of similar known-Iranian bombs used by Hezbollah, and serial numbers all point to Iranian construction. The White House is poised this weekend to reveal information taken from investigations and captured prisoners that they say points to a strong Iranian influence in Iraq. An intelligence assessment given to the New York Times reveals that the training of Shia forces is sanctioned by Iran's Supreme Leader Khamenei and is believed to be a warning to the United States not to attack Iran.
 



www.n ytimes.com
The most lethal weapon directed against American troops in Iraq is an explosive-packed cylinder that United States intelligence asserts is being supplied by Iran.

The assertion of an Iranian role in supplying the device to Shiite militias reflects broad agreement among American intelligence agencies, although officials acknowledge that the picture is not entirely complete.

The focus of American concern is known as an “explosively formed penetrator,” a particularly deadly type of roadside bomb being used by Shiite groups in attacks on American troops in Iraq. Attacks using the device have doubled in the past year, and have prompted increasing concern among military officers. In the last three months of 2006, attacks using the weapons accounted for a significant portion of Americans killed and wounded in Iraq, though less than a quarter of the total, military officials say.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


The existence of clear, physical evidence is what is crucial here. This is not a military analyst's position paper, this is not based on speculation. This is real, based on objective facts.

However, there are those who believe that the United States is trying to inflate Iran's role in Iraq, but if so, why would they be proceeding so slowly and deliberately as they are here? Furthermore, if this isn't conclusive evidence of Iranian influence, then what evidence is sufficient? They know that a war in Iran is precisely what they don't want.

The United States and the International Community needs to be clear: Iran must be an open and constructive partner in rebuilding Iraq. Even assuming that they have Iraq's best interest at heart, killing soldiers and civilians through subversive operations is not going to achieve that goal. They should be welcome to participate in the new Iraq, but they must not undermine the effort.

[edit on 10-2-2007 by UM_Gazz]




posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 09:11 AM
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The Bush administration is expected to make public this weekend some of what intelligence agencies regard as an increasing body of evidence pointing to an Iranian link, including information gleaned from Iranians and Iraqis captured in recent American raids on an Iranian office in Erbil and another site in Baghdad.



So deliberated and very well planned, Bush links and evidence of Iranian attacks of US forces in Iraq is shaping up really good. . .

Just like the WMDs in Iraq and the take out of Saddam. . .

Yes, Iran has to be served in the silver platter as the culmination of the dream for the private interest and profiteers of war that has invested so much of our tax payer money in this middle east take over. . .

Yes . . . by June Iran will be gone in smokes . . .
and . . .Iraq and Iran will share no borders anymore against US invasion of the area.

Bush has gone mad
But we all know that by now.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 09:18 AM
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It was not so long ago that British and US commanders on the ground were denying that there was any evidence pointing to arms smuggling from Iran or Iranian involvement.
All of a sudden there is clear evidence, yet to be presented, of Iranian involvment. Another case of making the intel fit policy, as was done in the run up to the invasion of Iraq?

With all the positioning of military hardware that's been going on for a while now, it seems clear action of some kind is coming and just waiting for a trigger event to kick it off.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 09:41 AM
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the whole article is full of this crap,


In interviews, civilian and military officials,
The assessment was described in interviews over the past several weeks with American officials,
According to American intelligence
Some American intelligence experts believe


So no evidence, just some "officials said". This is just more propaganda being spread by the Bush Cable.
Good thing Bush has the US Fleet ready to be sunk in order to get his next war for oil.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:10 AM
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So no evidence, just some "officials said".

What about the construction similarities and the serial numbers?



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:14 AM
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So deliberated and very well planned, Bush links and evidence of Iranian attacks of US forces in Iraq is shaping up really good. . .

Just like the WMDs in Iraq and the take out of Saddam. . .

Yes, Iran has to be served in the silver platter as the culmination of the dream for the private interest and profiteers of war that has invested so much of our tax payer money in this middle east take over. . .

Yes . . . by June Iran will be gone in smokes . . . and . . .Iraq and Iran will share no borders anymore against US invasion of the area.

Bush has gone mad But we all know that by now.

Is there objective evidence for any of these claims? It looks like speculation and political opinion; is that what we should dictate policy on?



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:16 AM
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It was not so long ago that British and US commanders on the ground were denying that there was any evidence pointing to arms smuggling from Iran or Iranian involvement.

All of a sudden there is clear evidence, yet to be presented, of Iranian involvment.

Another case of making the intel fit policy, as was done in the run up to the invasion of Iraq?

But a reasonable person could say that saying "we have no evidence" to saying "we have evidence" is based on deliberate investigation. What implies that this has invidious intent?



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:17 AM
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They are giving IED's serial numbers now?


www.rawstory.com...

Ever get that Deja Vu feeling in all this?


[edit on 10-2-2007 by Britguy]

[mod edit: fixed long link]

[edit on 11-2-2007 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:26 AM
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LOL the Iranians are smart enough to make these bombs but dumb enough to stamp serial numbers on them.

"Building a Case for War" with Iran: Jafarzadeh and the Downing Street Dossier Redux



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:39 AM
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"Building a Case for War" with Iran: Jafarzadeh and the Downing Street Dossier Redux
Again, speculation being used in place of facts.

Why is it unusual to put serial numbers on parts? That assumes that the government made the parts and had the power over whether to put the numbers on them. Furthermore, the US military puts serial numbers on its equipment all the time, so that weapons and parts can be identified. I don't quite see how this implies that Iran is not involved.

Furthermore, the article above is based on angry speculation. I don't see what it proves.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:43 AM
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LOL the Iranians are smart enough to make these bombs but dumb enough to stamp serial numbers on them.

"Building a Case for War" with Iran: Jafarzadeh and the Downing Street Dossier Redux


well, I do find it hard to believe they would stamp:


#1234567
Made in Iran

On the bottom of the bombs, the link you offered is more conjecture than any evidence bush may have, which is hard to believe. I remember when everyone waqs touting the downing street memo until people actually bothered to read it and found out that it consisted of opinion, not fact of pre-invasion planning.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 04:33 PM
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Aren’t the serial numbers in question those of component parts? And recently mentioned in the news are some component parts purchased by Iran which were traced back to the commercial source manufacturer (in one case Japanese photocells sold to Iran).

I seriously doubt anyone would place traceable serial numbers directly on IED’s…



mg



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 04:45 PM
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Obviously, the Iraqis are welcoming Irans assistance in battling the Occupier.
Ultimately, they are in the wrong because its 'we' whom are being attacked.
but the US was in the right, when helping the afghans agaisnt Russia.

The reason the USA is finding it hard for people to accept this, even though its more than likely true...

Is because the US are the occupying force here.

but i agree, strange how Iran can remain so hidden for so long during this conflict, but all of a sudden they start stamping 'made in Iran' on their explosives.

... thats some treasure hunt happening.. Imagine finding this nice chunk of IED that survived the explosion, that just happened to have 'made in Iran' still visible.



There's NO doubt Iran are invovled some way in Iraq, being we have detained iranian diplomats, and are raising the stakes over nuclear weapons with Iran.. this just all comes as too timley, for it to be genuine.

more than likely, if we have proof NOW, we ALWAYS had proof.
Its just better to release this now, and ensure public backing against Iran is at its highest, when attacks are schedualed to occur.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 05:45 PM
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The percent chance this is real 0-5% IMHO.
I agree they are stretching the imagination here...
The next stage of course is operations along the Irani border as provocations ....ostensibly,to cut this flow of ieds and foriegn troops infiltrating the Iraq border...
Though i believe that the US must be currently operating all kinds of covert missions into Iran and probably for some time now.
The border ops will become more public and intense as they build public opinion towards war with Iran.
Many expect a serious gulf of Tonkin incident or USS Cole type provocation, of either a false flag nature or irani beligerance in response to such things as the raids on ther embassy and kidnapping of their officials in Iraq.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 05:54 PM
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I do not believe Iran would be suckered into skirmishes on the Iraqi border.

Iran do not want this war, just as much as the US dont want it.
Iran cannot afford to be bombed to oblivion, and the US cannot afford to bomb another muslim country, expecting to get away with it.

They can get away with Iraq, because the US has no RIGHT to be there,
and being their credability is so damaged by being there Illegially, the world isnt going to pay too much attention to the claims the US makes about this very subject.

If Iran were supplying weapons, and material to Iraqi's, I think you'd have a lot easier chance of having sat images of them shipping crates across the border,
or even raids on midnight supply drops near the border, showing detained iranians, with box loads of explosives.

Its like the WMD issue from Iraq.

Why were we told about it, and not shown sat images of wmd caches?
Well, why are we being told about Iranians supplying Iraqis ,
yet not being shown any images of Iranian trucks/men delivering arms and materials across the Iraqi border?



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Togetic

Is there objective evidence for any of these claims? It looks like speculation and political opinion; is that what we should dictate policy on?


No more than the Bush administration claims of Iranians serial numbers on left over bomb parts.


Bush will attack Iran and by Bush god he will



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 11:23 PM
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I don't understand what makes this any different from the direct support given to Iraq by the US in the Iran - Iraq war.


In 1982 with Iranian success on the battlefield, the U.S. made its backing of Iraq more pronounced, supplying it with intelligence, economic aid, normalizing relations with the government (broken during the 1967 Six-Day War), and also supplying weapons. President Ronald Reagan decided that the United States "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran", and that the United States "would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent Iraq from losing the war with Iran." President Reagan formalized this policy by issuing a National Security Decision Directive ("NSDD") to this effect in June, 1982.

Source.



It is double standards such as these that lower the opinion of the U.S. in the eyes of the world's population, prompting people with little understanding to throw allegations of "Anti-Americanism" [whatever that is...] at those who do not share their limited point of view.



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Togetic

What about the construction similarities and the serial numbers?


Yes but no pictures have actually been shown to any public. And no actual physcial evidence has been shown either.

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying Iran isn't suppyling weapons becuase it's pretty obvious they are becuase they are looking out for there own interests but no evidence has actually been shown.


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posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 08:52 AM
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Isn't this a direct admission of all their failures of the Iraq war? How humble of them to place the blame on the next enemy (in line).

They couldn't secure the borders, they let all these weapons flow thru a country supposedly conquered by the mighty US of A. ha! Great plan.



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 08:52 AM
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Hi There,

My response to the claim is as much an opinion as the claim itself. I do not accept this claim of Iranian involvement for one minute, nor do I think will it be the last such claim by so-called intelligences. Neither Iran or Syria want conflict in their lands, especially with seeing the circumstances Iraq is in. Iran knows that any kind of conflict breaking out will mean the loss of their nuclear reactors, which will be bombed during first strikes.

The routes by which so-called insurgents gain their weapons are many and clandestine. Insurgents are also using Ak47s, but we do not hear claims by the intelligence services that Russia is involved with sales of the guns to them. Arms dealers of different nationalities will sell weaponry to anyone, regardless of the consequences, because they operate outside of moral and legal boundaries - not unlike the US administration.

Everyone around the world knows that the US wants conflict with Iran, and everyone is expecting such claims to be made, but the lies and bogus claims made for the conflict with Iraq enshrouds any claim for Iranian involvement as being nothing more than deception and propaganda. These claims are actually contemptuous, and insulting to people's intelligence. We should dismiss them for the fabrications that they probably are, and in doing so, one places oneself in one of two camps...those that accept the insult, and those that don't.



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