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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 10:00 PM
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I think that child pornography is very sick and of course feel as repulsed as everyone else. I think everyone is assuming things here though.

It clearly states in the article:

posed in pornographic positions


This means they could be fully clothed. My son told me once that they are doing this in Russia and the children are not nude but are being posed provocativly. Its wrong but may not be exactly pornogarphy. Look at those 3d ads right here on ATS with the what do they call them...twinky or something...has a girl that looks like she is underage wearing a tiny skimpy schoolgirl outfit in a borderline pose. Go to the shopping malls and how parents are letting the children dress.

We are seeing some very mixed messages lately. The world is becoming "barking mad" I love that barking mad phrase...too funny.

This is being brought to the forefront lately I believe to one day censor the Internet.


Earth King or Typo King?

[edit on 9-2-2007 by LoneGunMan]




posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
I honestly have no problem if the individual(s) are
over 13.


OMG... Do you realise what your saying? Do you actually think the children volunteer themselved to pose and have sex with eachother?! NO!!
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I know we have a problem with child porn in the world, but I think we need to also outlaw legal teen porn. It just feed pedophilic behavior. I say the law should be 21 years old to be a "Porn Star".



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by TheDesigner
OMG... Do you realise what your saying? Do you actually think the children volunteer themselved to pose and have sex with eachother?! NO!!
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I know we have a problem with child porn in the world, but I think we need to also outlaw legal teen porn. It just feed pedophilic behavior. I say the law should be 21 years old to be a "Porn Star".


Not all of them, just as there are 'adults' who can't really consent to
stuff (mental disease etc.), but in general, yes, they could.

I could have made that decision at that age, I know other people
who could have as well.

It's simply because current society has created the meme that they
can't that it's considered so wrong.

[edit on 2/9/2007 by iori_komei]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by TheDesigner

Originally posted by iori_komei
I honestly have no problem if the individual(s) are
over 13.


OMG... Do you realise what your saying? Do you actually think the children volunteer themselved to pose and have sex with eachother?! NO!!


I volunteered to have sexual relations at 10 years old and don't regret it. I guess because I don't have people screaming in my ear that "It's Wrong!"
Do you hold predudice against my (child) will for this? I was not harmed in any way, shape or form. No, it was not due or had anything to do with adults. Are you trying to deny my non-repressed sexuality at that age?

[edit on 10-2-2007 by Xeros]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Xeros


I volunteered to have sexual relations at 10 years old and don't regret it. I guess because I don't have people screaming in my ear that "It's Wrong!"
Do you hold predudice against my (child) will for this? I was not harmed in any way, shape or form. No, it was not due or had anything to do with adults. Are you trying to deny my non-repressed sexuality at that age?

[edit on 10-2-2007 by Xeros]



WHAT!!!!!



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by Disgustipated
WHAT!!!!!


Would you care to expand on what you are asking?



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Disgustipated

Originally posted by Xeros


I volunteered to have sexual relations at 10 years old and don't regret it. I guess because I don't have people screaming in my ear that "It's Wrong!"
Do you hold predudice against my (child) will for this? I was not harmed in any way, shape or form. No, it was not due or had anything to do with adults. Are you trying to deny my non-repressed sexuality at that age?

[edit on 10-2-2007 by Xeros]



WHAT!!!!!


Ok, why not ask a question instead? What is wrong with my statement? What in the world would make you angry with what I have said? I'm not a pedo, so what is the problem here? I was not allowed sexual thoughts at that age? Ffs, I was just responding to a rhetoric posed.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 01:47 AM
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I think we should get a mod...

This could get pretty ugly...



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 02:11 AM
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Yup, I agree. I was a bit harsh there. I just think that more thought should go into this topic, to protect our children from pedophiles without psychologically damaging them in the process.

[edit on 10-2-2007 by Xeros]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 12:21 PM
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Pedophilia is sick. There's no doubt in my mind about that. But watch any court case with a pedophile, or that dateline NBC show, and the people that get caught and plead their cases seem 100% normal in every way. They don't stand out, and a lot of the time they beg for someone to "fix" their problem. My initial reaction was to be freaked out by this (It still does freak me out.) I hate to say it, but it made me lost trust in a lot of adult males that I see with a bunch of little kids (Gradeschool teachers, etc.) It's not as if I was saying "Oh, that guy has to be a pedophile," but it did make me wonder about a lot of people. Either way, it seems like there is no easy solution.

Iori - I have a 13 year old sister. If I caught some 40 year old man masturbating to her, I would beat the living daylights out of him, I can tell you that much. You're younger than me from what I remember. I don't know how much younger, but there's a big difference between a 13 year old looking at another 13 year old with sexual thoughts, and a 45 year old looking at a 13 year old with sexual thoughts. One of these people has a problem, and if they were to ever act upon it, it would cause mass emotional trauma and most likely ruin the life of their victim. There are certain ages at which children are unable to make these kinds of commitments. People go through some serious psychological changes throughout their childhood and lifetime. It's not as if they can think like you and I. I mean, this was psych. 101 for me. Read up on this a little bit. Piaget is not the only psychologist to develop a theory like this, but apparently his is the most popular. You seem to be so keen on eliminating these social norms and status quos that you feel are unjust, so what would you say if we just eliminated all of them? Drinking age? Driving age? How would you like to see some 13 year old driving down the street next to you. Why don't we let children play with guns? Christ, to imagine what I would have done with a gun at 13... The truth of reality is that because children cannot be trusted to make certain decisions on their own up until a certain point, we have had to impose boundries and age restrictions to protect them and us.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 12:33 PM
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All child porn perverts and molesters disgust me, if i saw them walking on the street i would
them.

They should be burned at the stake.


[edit on 10-2-2007 by thehumbleone]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Herman
You're younger than me from what I remember. I don't know how much younger...


Well, if I remember correctly, I think it's a diference of 1 or 2 years.




...but there's a big difference between a 13 year old looking at another 13 year old with sexual thoughts, and a 45 year old looking at a 13 year old with sexual thoughts...


The only difference I see is that the 13 year old is'nt corrupted by
the idiocentric culture that has developed today.




One of these people has a problem, and if they were to ever act upon it, it would cause mass emotional trauma and most likely ruin the life of their victim.


If they commited rape, than yes, but not if it's consensual.




There are certain ages at which children are unable to make these kinds of commitments.


Which is why I'm not sayin some guy should be having relations with
an 8 year old.




You seem to be so keen on eliminating these social norms and status quos that you feel are unjust...


The 'norms' of society and curent status quo is incredibly new.

Throughout the majority of our history in nearly every culture people
started having sex, getting maried and having children starting at
around 13-14.

I mean look at Ancient Greece, it was'nt uncommon for a 13 year old
boy to be in a relationship with a man much older than them, of course
this relationship would be considered a mixture of a teacher/student
and mutual lovers, but still, it did'nt hurt anyone than.

It's only in the last 100 years or so that we've suddenly created this
flawed idea that you are'nt capable of understanding sex until your
older.




...so what would you say if we just eliminated all of them? Drinking age?...


Well, this is of topic, but I'm against a drinking age, a purchase age
should exist, but not a consumption age.




How would you like to see some 13 year old driving down the street next to you.


As long as they had gone through the same tests, and passed as I
did, I don't care.

Though that would be odd to see.




The truth of reality is that because children cannot be trusted to make certain decisions on their own up until a certain point, we have had to impose boundries and age restrictions to protect them and us.


And that is your opinion based on the culture created by curent society.

[edit on 2/10/2007 by iori_komei]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 01:14 PM
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The only difference I see is that the 13 year old is'nt corrupted by
the idiocentric culture that has developed today.


Corrupted. That's laughable. Did you even read the link I provided?



If they commited rape, than yes, but not if it's consensual.


So you would have no problem with a 45 year old man having "consensual" sex with a 13-year old girl? You think that 13 year olds are psychologically mature enough to make that decision?




Which is why I'm not sayin some guy should be having relations with
an 8 year old.


But a 13 year old is just fine?




The 'norms' of society and curent status quo is incredibly new.

Throughout the majority of our history in nearly every culture people
started having sex, getting maried and having children starting at
around 13-14.
I mean look at Ancient Greece, it was'nt uncommon for a 13 year old
boy to be in a relationship with a man much older than them, of course
this relationship would be considered a mixture of a teacher/student
and mutual lovers, but still, it did'nt hurt anyone than.

It's only in the last 100 years or so that we've suddenly created this
flawed idea that you are'nt capable of understanding sex until your
older.


Yeah, and you know what else we've had throughout the majority of our history? Slavery. Women were worth less than men (still are in some places.) Kings and Queens appointed by "God," and people being burned for speaking out against the church. We improve on History. That's what we've always done.

Sure, there are some 13 year olds that might be mature enough to have sex with another 13 year old, but it's rare. The reason that we have age restrictions is because we've determined that that is the age at which the grand majority of people are ready. Sure, there are exceptions, but a grown man who wants to have sex with a 13 year old girl is disgusting in the first place. I'm only 19 (20 in about a month,) and I wouldn't even date someone who is under 17, let alone 13.




Well, this is of topic, but I'm against a drinking age, a purchase age
should exist, but not a consumption age.


That's still a restriction. Once upon a time, there was no purchase age at all.




As long as they had gone through the same tests, and passed as I
did, I don't care.

Though that would be odd to see.


I think you'll change your mind as you get older. Seriously, I do.




And that is your opinion based on the culture created by curent society.

[edit on 2/10/2007 by iori_komei]


No, that's the opinion of researchers who are far more well informed than yourself or me.



posted on Feb, 12 2007 @ 12:56 PM
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That it is good to find ways for Ped's to use an outlet that doesn't hurt people at the time for their excess energy.

I would say that child porn is not it. It may not hurt the child at the time but it hurt them in the past.

As far as I'm concerned this is far, far, far worse than murder, rape or anything someone can do to another. To do so regresses our species so far back in evolution its crazy.

The Law should be.

Molest a child (with proof, and witnesses)- Cut off the sack

Molest a child (with no proof)- 20 years in jail, have to wear a monitor for the rest of your life. Providing theirs enough evidence to prove the guilt of the person. Especially in this day and age of crying wolf, then changing mind.

Second offense for all is death.



posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 04:02 AM
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I'm amazed that some are actually defending pedophiles here.

Even the criminals in jail want to hurt them.
Child porn is no different it's not a fully victumless crime and cartoons or dolls will not work forever. The best bet if you don't want them dead is create a floating island out in the middle of the ocean with a jail on it and house them there.

I wonder how many ppl defending them from death are parents and what they would say if it was their kids pic on the pc.

Raist



posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I think that child pornography is very sick and of course feel as repulsed as everyone else. I think everyone is assuming things here though.

It clearly states in the article:

posed in pornographic positions


Its wrong but may not be exactly pornogarphy. Look at those 3d ads right here on ATS with the what do they call them...twinky or something...has a girl that looks like she is underage wearing a tiny skimpy schoolgirl outfit in a borderline pose. Go to the shopping malls and how parents are letting the children dress.



I think big business is slowly reprograming people. Read my above quote. Think about it and look at this picture, it is an ad I got straight off ATS.

They want complete control and they will use something as sick as child porn to sell it to you. Try not to put your blinders on its hard not to nowadays I know but this is the most important time not to. Corporate America is becoming a sick entity. $$$ They will get the Internet censored before they are through. They will get borderline sick people to cross that border through temptation and saturation.



[edit on 16-2-2007 by LoneGunMan]



posted on Feb, 16 2007 @ 11:59 PM
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Lonegunnman is that you got that picture from a commercial on this site didn't you. I swear I saw it earlier.



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Royal76
Lonegunnman is that you got that picture from a commercial on this site didn't you. I swear I saw it earlier.


I know buts not not completely ATS's fault. I guess some company they do business with puts them up. Its sort of both of thems fault, I love ATS and dont want to lay the blame on them. It is sad though...of course the artist that made it could say well in his mind she is 18 or whatever but the message is clear.




posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 12:11 AM
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I've seen that add a few times on this site (and strangely enough only
on this site), but yeah, ATS does'nt choose the adds it runs, they can
choose to prevent certain ones though.


I don't particularly see the add as being sexualing 'minors' though,
it's drawn in a quasi japanese anime style, and those kinds of charac-
ters, even if there 30, tend to be drawn to look younger than they are.



posted on Feb, 17 2007 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by iori_komei

I don't particularly see the add as being sexualing 'minors' though,
it's drawn in a quasi japanese anime style, and those kinds of charac-
ters, even if there 30, tend to be drawn to look younger than they are.


Then dont draw her to be standing in a class room wearing a schoolgirl outfit. It sure doesnt look like the message is trying very hard to make it look like a college classroom. Its subliminal and thats the problem, nothing can be proven but it still does the job of adding to the saturation of this hideous situation.

That is the point I am making.



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