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Man, "not gay enough", might be deported from Canada

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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 08:23 AM
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A Nicaraguan refugee, Alvro Antonio Orozco, might lose his asylum claim and be deported because he did not have any same sex relationships while in Canada. He fled Nicaragua when he was 12 fearing his alcoholic father might kill him for being a homosexual. His father had beat him with sticks and whips prior to his departure.
 



www.thestar.com
Alvaro Antonio Orozco based his refugee claim on fears of homophobia and domestic abuse. He said he left Managua in 1998 at age 12 because he was regularly beaten with sticks and whips by an alcoholic father who threatened to "kill any child of his that was homosexual."

"Gay people in Latin America have to act straight to hide their (sexual) identity because people there are Catholic and are very conservative. I was afraid," the stocky construction worker said softly. "The (refugee) judge just didn't think I was gay enough and I didn't qualify to be gay."

That someone's gay or not is not going to come across through a TV screen, unless he's visibly queer. But it's the refugee adjudicator's conviction and belief that Alvaro is not gay enough," said Abualsameed.



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Its bad enough this boy, at the time, had to endure physical and psychological damage, but now he has to return to it! He is now a 21 year old and could possible defend himself, but I still don't think this is right.

Who is in any position to judge whether or not someone is gay enough or not?

Does anyone qualified to make this judgement?

I understand there is a possibility this could all be a plan by Alvaro to grant him refugee status, but would he really lie about something like this? I mean, he was 12 at the time he left. Is a child able to conjure up a refugee scam like this? Maybe, I am not really sure. What do you think?

[edit on 9-2-2007 by LuDaCrIs]

[edit on 9/2/2007 by Mirthful Me]




posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:17 PM
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Yup, that's our government. Can you believe that they would punish someone for being celebate? I do. :shk:



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:18 PM
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This is an all too familiar story. I at first wondered if I was not reading about someone I knew, until I realized that it could be a couple of people I have known. I have personally known immigrants that could literally not live in their hometown in Central/South America because of being gay.

Who is a judge to say someone is not gay enough? Can we start judging people for not being "straight enough?" Because I know a lot of immigrants that I believe are definitely not straight enough to be with their wives.



*Edit for spelling*

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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:24 PM
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Perhaps he didn't find someone of his type yet???


If this isn't government invading personal life, then I don't know what is.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:30 PM
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Well, I don't see how you can judge how gay someone is, I don't think they get many Judy Garland movies in Nicaragua.

However, if the guy thought he would be killed for being gay, even if he wasn't gay, then wouldn't that qualify him for sanctuary?

What I'm saying is, even if he wasn't gay, but his dad thought he was and would beat him or even kill him because of it, then shouldn't that qualify him whether he's gay or not?

Although, I could understand the judge's decision if this guy had in fact had heterosexual relations while in Canada



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:38 PM
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I don't really think being gay and fearing domestic abuse rises to the level of qualifying for refugee status, unless it is a government policy to kill gays. It seems to me he could have moved within his country to escape whatever bad situation he was facing.

That being said, however, if Canada had already approved him as a refugee, I don't see how they could follow him and say he's not having enough gay sex and then expel him.

The whole thing seems pretty ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
Yup, that's our government. Can you believe that they would punish someone for being celebate? I do. :shk:


the british punished someone over here too, for being celebate. for me just leave the geezer alone

for some who say just move to another city or whatever, you do not know the lenghs some will goto to hound people. take it from me, a case i know of in britain, if he moved anywhere in britain, his life would be destroyed. so i do not think it is farfetched for someone to seek asylum for this. some situations are weird, and are outside the norm. we live in an age where we are told that everyone is ok with it, but that simply is not the case. it is amazing to think how far people would go to hound people and wreck there lifes.

for me he should be left in canada.

man how can the judge know, did the defendent have to wave his hands in a gay manner or something. did you see in the article how they said he was softly spoken, is that a definition of being gay or something.

but the geezer is right, pretending you are something you are not can get you into trouble, but heck now he has to go back.

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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 04:37 PM
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Penile Plethysmograph

A court ordered exam could quickly determine this mans sexuality, or his lawyer could have the test done to present the results to the judge.


The penile plethysmograph (pluh-THIZ-muh-graf) (PPG) is a machine for measuring changes in the circumference of the penis. A stretchable band with mercury in it is fitted around the subject's penis. The band is connected to a machine with a video screen and data recorder. Any changes in penis size, even those not felt by the subject, are recorded while the subject views sexually suggestive or pornographic pictures, slides, or movies,........

See link
skepdic.com...



I know that people will lie to get into a country they perceive to offer advantages they can't get in their land of birth, but we have ways to determine male arousal.

I'm not sure how accurate a machine like this is though, just the fact of having the band on your penis would get some guys going.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 04:45 PM
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don't they only use that on paedos or something. he is hardly a sex offender for thinking he is gay.

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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033

don't they only use that on paedos or something. he is hardly a sex offender for thinking he is gay.


I'm not suggesting this man is a sex offender, the machine was invented for an entirely different reason.


The original air device was developed by researcher Kurt Freund in Czechoslovakia during the 1950s. The motivation for its development was to prevent draft dodgers from claiming that they were homosexual in order to avoid military service.
en.wikipedia.org...


Though it is used to determine sexual arousal in sex-offenders such as pedophiles.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 02:32 AM
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just a question :

do you actually have to be gay to suffer homophobia ?

or just have some mental migdet think you are and take " appropriate " < sic > action ?



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
do you actually have to be gay to suffer homophobia ?


Good point. I think there are plenty of examplels of people who were beaten up or even killed by someone who just thought they were gay, when in fact they weren't.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 08:18 AM
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Any attempt to determine a man or womans degree of sexual preference is absolutely absurd in my opinion. Can anyone gather a scheme to determine what degree I fall into when it comes to a preference of women? What floors me is that people feel that homosexuals need to fit this standard of "flaming", or that celebacy is completely hypocritical. When I first read opening post to the thread, I was hoping that it was coming from some sort of tabloid. Something had to be wrong with the source itself, as it can not be true. But to my disdain, it seems to be true.

Nobody ever attempts to measure someone's heterosexuality, so why this effort to measure someone's homosexuality? I'm having trouble understanding how homosexuality was enough to grant him refugee status, but I hardly see how his apparent "lack" of homosexuality is enough to deport him.

I wonder how Stevey boy is going to play this one off. Maher Arar took home a big pay day for a previous blunder, something the Conservatives were more than willing to offer restitution. Now we are shipping out homosexuals. No matter what the details are, and this thread is the perfect example, it is all about the headlines. This one doesn't look too good.



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posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 11:32 AM
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Canada must be pretty gay to pull this kind of behavior, lol. Why is the government getting involved in this, they should stay out of a person's sex life. Is this normal behavior from a socialist government?

Just wondering, in Canada, does the government reward it's "gayest" citizens, like hand out awards as rewards for categories like "most active," "most outrageous," and "most fabulous?"

This is what happens when you give the government the right to care about what your sexual orientation is. Personally, I think the government should keep out of it and civil unions should be held by anyone who fills out paperwork.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 12:13 PM
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What a weird story !! I'm wondering how the judge would define "Gay Enough" ? If you're Gay you're Gay I would have thought.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 02:59 PM
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He left at age 12, which means that someone adopted him, right? If he was legally adopted, then why wouldn't he have refugee status, or apply for a citizenship at the age of 18?



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