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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 01:49 PM
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I have contacted a personal who is friends with Dr. MaCabee, I've asked him to ask the Doc to have a look.


Springer...




posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 01:55 PM
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Those videos in the OP do look very similar, that's for sure.

Whether or not they show alien spacecraft is (obviously) very debatable.
To me it comes down to another video of blinky lights in the sky, without enough
shown to prove a case either way. Defcon5 makes a lot of good points, and
obviously knows a bit about aviation, from the ground view at the very least.
Frozenthought, however, was there and knows what he saw from a first hand perspective.

I checked Google maps for Eastlake, Ohio, as Frozenthought suggested. Judging from the point in the video where the nightshot comes on and you can see the shore, I figure he was looking to the west-southwest as that's the way the shore runs there. Right about where those lights are seen in the video, maybe 10-15 miles away, on the shore is the Burke Lakefront Airport. It is indeed on the "lakefront", and would be easily visible from the shore in Eastlake, looking across the water.

If Burke is to small an airport for previously mentioned aircraft (MD 80/DC9), about 10 miles further to the southwest, and about 5 miles back from the shoreline, is Cleveland-Hopkins International Airport, and I'm sure they could handle the larger jets.

Not to draw conclusions from insufficient data, but this does seem to lend credence to the landing aircraft theory. From far enough out, the line to these airports and the line to Eastlake are close enough to where incoming air traffic could appear to hover in place while approaching.

Sorry, Frozenthought. Not trying to shoot you in the foot or anything.
Just what I found on the maps.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 02:00 PM
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...for a friendly reminder.

I'm not pointing at anyone in particular here,

BUT-

at ATS, we consider our success to be largely based upon civil debate.

If these videos cannot be investigated without resorting to defamations of character and mean-spirited jibes, then, as a moderator I'm left with no choice but to intervene.

I'd rather not... really. I hope this is all that's needed.

Perhaps reading through Majic's excellent thread Courtesy is Mandatory might be helpful at this time.

Once we devolve into personal attacks at any level, all constructive debate falls to the wayside. Harrassment, therefore, in any form whatsoever, will henceforth be strongly dealt with.

[edit on 9/2/07 by masqua]



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 02:06 PM
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I'm in Mobile AL. I've seen the same thing here. I went to San Diego and saw it there as well.

Guys that work for me have seen the same thing. This is what I'm saying. These things are everywhere. It is all part of a grand deception. WE as Americans expect a "frontal assault" like D Day... if we are to attacked.

We expect "Red Dawn". That's not how it's going. Did you see the front page of USA Today today? It had an article on AUTISM.

THAT is what the grays are doing to YOU. To ME. To everyone human.

WHY DON'T WE GET IT?!?!?



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 02:17 PM
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Question, WHY is the airport so dark?? or the surrounding areas??


I'll toss in a bone on this one. Airports, unless they are absolutely immense, are not designed to be seen from ground level or even near ground level. They are designed that way to not create night time glare for drivers on roads, houses in nearby neighborhoods and to accentuate guide lights for pilots on approach. Sounds right, doesnt it?



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Lost_Mind

Question, WHY is the airport so dark?? or the surrounding areas??


I'll toss in a bone on this one. Airports, unless they are absolutely immense, are not designed to be seen from ground level or even near ground level. They are designed that way to not create night time glare for drivers on roads, houses in nearby neighborhoods and to accentuate guide lights for pilots on approach. Sounds right, doesnt it?


Also If you watch the video as it switches to night vision it looks as if the lake is very foggy, blocking the ground view of any city lights. You can see some however to the left. Im pretty sure that the fog is a factor here.

[edit on 9-2-2007 by Xeros]



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 02:37 PM
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I thought this might be important;

Posted by anon_94991 on 09-02-07 @ 01:41 PM



I agree 100% with Defcon5. I have no doubt in my mind that what we are viewing is a night time video recording of aircraft coming in to land. As Defcon points out the runway lights are momentarily visible in the left of the frame when one plane is followed on its landing approach. Google Earth shows clearly a sizeable airfield right on the edge of the lake. The cameraman, I suggest, was about 50 miles away on the opposite shore (possibly the marina(?) near Talbot Trail)– hence the lack of engine noise. Atmospheric refraction and earth curvature probably plays some part in the visuals, to, ie distortion & colour change of the lights, the aircraft seeming low and the airfield seeming raised. I suspect also that the cameraman was at all times fully aware that the lights were aircraft. Stopping filming at crucial moments is often blamed on the ‘ufo’ bringing about electronic failure but in reality is a result of the object becoming clearly identifiable and the footage being rendered valueless. Please excuse the anonymity – have registered buy can’t figure how to reply yet other than by using the anonymous button below!



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by masqua
...for a friendly reminder.

I'd rather not... really. I hope this is all that's needed.


[edit on 9/2/07 by masqua]


Masqua,

thanks for the reminder!! Also, I dunno and I certainly hope that I am no means for the intervtion here, but if I said anything offensive, I sincerely apologize to any and all involved!!

Again, thanks, Peace..Mondo



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:08 PM
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If these are indeed airplanes landing or taking off from a nearby airport, then wouldn't you see them there all the time, both day and night?

Frozen, have you filmed from that same location during the day to see what else is flying there, if anything? Do planes fly at similar height from that location to possibly be the cause of what you filmed?


And if this is happening often, why not get a telescope to get a REAL look at them?



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:19 PM
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Just wondering if a guy like David Sereda honestly believes its not an airplane. Then he's either:

•1 Not as smart as he claims.

•2 just in it to make a quicker buck on his next video

Like someone stated before, would he really stake his reputation on something like this??

This is coming from a guy who has analyzed much better footage.

So honestly its hard for me to just dismiss it as easily as some of these other threads.

Did Sereda have the same problem when he encounters people that don't believe him?? Does he walk away convincing them?? Or does he even care, LOL.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by MiahX
If these are indeed airplanes landing or taking off from a nearby airport, then wouldn't you see them there all the time, both day and night?

Frozen, have you filmed from that same location during the day to see what else is flying there, if anything? Do planes fly at similar height from that location to possibly be the cause of what you filmed?


And if this is happening often, why not get a telescope to get a REAL look at them?


Those are great ideas, that would get down to the bottom of this. Espcially about fiming during the day or even dusk to get a better picture of the surrounding areas.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by whos_out_there
Just wondering if a guy like David Sereda honestly believes its not an airplane. Then he's either:

•1 Not as smart as he claims.

•2 just in it to make a quicker buck on his next video


I think it depends on whether he knows there's an airport nearby or not. If he's aware of the airport, then I guess number 2 is the most likely choice.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by yeti101
why are so many people ignoring the most concrete post in this thread?

zerotime said this



Having lived all of my life in Ohio and spending nearly all of my college years at the flats in Cleveland I can't believe people think these are real UFO's, but then again, it really doesn't shock me that much either. You can see these lights all day and all night over Lake Erie because they are airplanes.


but i guess the response will be "he must work for the government covering things up"

[edit on 9-2-2007 by yeti101]


Because this was not filmed in Cleveland, And I have been going down to the lake now for 4 years, Don't you think if these were planes landing, which again, they are going away from the closest airport about a half hour drive west from where this was shot, anyhow, even if they WERE planes, I think you would see them there all the time no?

They are very rarely ever there, I have seen this type of object 3 times in the last 4 years.

[edit on 9-2-2007 by Frozenthought]



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by whos_out_there

I think he works for the GOVERNMENT HEHE





I hope that is a joke.

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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by zerotime
I hope that is a joke.


HEHE, of course it is. The only person i know for sure is myself. (most of the time) LOL

OFF TOPIC 1 SECOND

And dude, im not sure if you care about your ATS points, (WHICH I PERSONALLY DONT) But be careful about the one liners in the threads, i got scolded (lol) and 20 point deducted (BOOHOO) from whatever point system they got here. But im here to read not keep count.

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posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by whos_out_there
Just wondering if a guy like David Sereda honestly believes its not an airplane. Then he's either:

•1 Not as smart as he claims.

•2 just in it to make a quicker buck on his next video


I think it depends on whether he knows there's an airport nearby or not. If he's aware of the airport, then I guess number 2 is the most likely choice.


Im mean he has to be dumb if he thinks nobody is gonna bring up the whole airport theory, he has to had have put that into the picture also.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:51 PM
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I am confused about the Planes landing theory

1. Since when do Planes fly the opposite direction from the airport to land, Kinda doesn't work in my world of physics.

2. Since when do Planes that are landing go out over the lake and fly around only 50 to a hundred feet above the water?

3. Since when does a plane come in and fly over another plane or at least very close to it, Wouldn't that be kinda unsafe and a little scary for the people inside the planes?

4. Since when does an airplane (object #2) that is landing again fly away from the airport and then even head back out over the lake & away from the airport?

5. And they were close, These craft were IN EASTLAKE over the lake, no sound, the closest airport again is Burke and that is in Cleveland, a half hour drive west.

6. Why are these objects being reported and wittnessed all over the world, Lake Ontario as i said, both double orb and single orb versions, recently in England, single orb, Mexico, Etc. ?



[edit on 9-2-2007 by Frozenthought]



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Frozenthought
5. And they were close, These craft were IN EASTLAKE over the lake, no sound, the closest airport again is Burke and that is in Cleveland, a half hour drive west.


Can you tell us exactly where you filmed this from and what direction the lights were in? Is "eastlake" a town or just that part of the lake?



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 04:00 PM
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Frozenthought, I believe you need to go back and read the posts in this thread. The answers, or possible answers to all your questions have been answered earlier. I'd go over it again, but feeling lazy at the moment ;-)



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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they look to me to follow the same path. coming head on then going Right to left

[edit on 9-2-2007 by yeti101]




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