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Originally posted by thelibra
has Obama said that he's going to remain true to this church, or has he said that he's an American first?
Remember our most recent Pope's background?
You are basically condemning a man for a view that he has not expressed,
for having attended a church that probably ...
You are claiming he has an inability to be an American first,
do you really, honestly think he would try that? Do you think he has any capacity to even attempt it?
are you condemning a black man because he's black,
You're not a racist.... Or are you?
So far what I'm seeing is a lot of grasping at straws ....
by a lot of people who simply can't admit their own racism to themselves.
Originally posted by 2l82sk8
Are you feor real? Boy you are really scared aren't you?
Originally posted by df1
Someone should capture that church web page as I suspect that it won't be too long before the Obama campaign encourages the church to change the message to something without racial overtones.
Is jsobecky a political operative for Hillary?
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Then again I am black, so I guess wanting my leaders to fight for me makes me a racist. BTW, that doesn't mean fighting against white people for the empowerment of blacks. That means fighting a corrupt system for the empowerment of those opressed.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420 fighting a corrupt system for the empowerment of those opressed.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
that doesn't mean fighting against white people for the empowerment of blacks. That means fighting a corrupt system for the empowerment of those opressed.
The President tries to frame the justification for his insanity by using language describing the debate in this country over the war as “a great struggle between those who believe in freedom in moderation and extremists who kill the innocent.”
The reality, however, is that the entire war in Iraq and the larger “war on terror” have been based on lies, half-truths and distortions to serve the agenda of the United States imperialism. Where is the public outcry? Where is the outrage? What’s goin’ on?
There is more focus on what the Bears may or may not do as they play a football game against New Orleans than there is on the 3,000 homeless who are still living or displaced in the real life game called “New Orleans.”
Those poor Black and white displaced citizens of New Orleans (not imported team members playing for New Orleans), who have no place to go and no place to live because of this administration’s illegal war and its billions of dollars wasted on prosecuting that war, join with me in asking, “What’s goin’ on?”
Excuse me! The victims of Hurricane Katrina are no longer on the radar screen of the media. Only Barack, his church, his pastor and white arrogance!
Originally posted by thelibra
Well, Jsobecky, let's be honest, there's not going to be a single Democrat presidential candidate you'll like, except one that's unlikely to win. I don't intend that as an attack, but rather I know you well enough by now to say you're a rather conservative Republican,
[i[Originally posted by thelibra
And you're basing all of this off of a rather biased news story from one of the most hardcore neocons on the board.
Originally posted by 2l82sk8
Now, do you, or does anyone, happen to actually have any first hand knowledge of what the "Black values" of such church we are discussing actually are defined as?
I've read where it is supposed that those values are this and that. I don't want someone's opinion, or what it logically should be. I want to know ver batim, if possible, what such "black values" are.
Anyone have that info yet?
BLACK VALUE SYSTEM
Statement of Purpose
We honor Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, because of the exemplary manner in which he has thrice withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System…
The Black Value System
These Black Ethics must be taught and exampled in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect the following concepts:
Originally posted by Scrub
Originally posted by 2l82sk8
Are you feor real? Boy you are really scared aren't you?
Of what?
I'm just saying if it was a white guy running for president whom went to a church that was publicly just about helping whites then people would be going out of their minds.
Commitment of God
“The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activist, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind…
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons, if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self discipline coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress, and a model for Black Youth.
Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must keep the captive ignorant educationally, but trained sufficiently well to serve the system. Also, the captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.
Those so identified as separated from the rest of the people by:
Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us”…
Originally posted by jsobecky
Here's an excerpt:
BLACK VALUE SYSTEM (snip)
I'm going to leave you hanging, because, to get the rest of the story, you need to do the same thing I did to get that excerpt: visit the links provided in the OP.
Obama's Church: Not Your Average Christian Church
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Jso,
Are you upset that they aren't taxed? I thought you were upset because they were in favor of black empowerment.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I figured I'd finish it up for you Jso. After all, it helps if people know exactly what the value system is.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Sk8,
I don't think anyone has said, "lets take it to the streets". And I don't think anyone has said kill whitey.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
As for the "Black Values", I think it's pretty obvious that they mean help your community, because they are just as bad off as you are, and by helping others, you help yourself.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Sure they're a church, but I won't hold that against them.