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Australian's comments on Subservience to the USA

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posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 09:40 AM
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When the next plane load of Muslims crashes into the Sydney Opera House instead of an American building you lot may be singing a different tune.




posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by RWPBR
When the next plane load of Muslims crashes into the Sydney Opera House instead of an American building you lot may be singing a different tune.


Whats that got to do with the topic. The thread is Australians comments on subservience to the US not Will the US come to our aid if we are attacked by terrorists. We are discussing cultural infiltration and economic dependence.

And anyway, arent we in Iraq now along side US and UK forces even though we were not attacked by terrorists at home.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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You make it seem like the US has the worst culture in the world and is trying to take over other countries good and pure cultures. When in reality, our cultures are not really different. If you lived in Vietnam and Saudi Arabia, maybe I would say, yeah our cultures are different. But you guys live in Australia.

China will pulverize Australia. If you want to be independent, don't go and depend on China and India. Lest they start sending their huge surplus of people to Australia and you start whining more than you are now.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
You make it seem like the US has the worst culture in the world and is trying to take over other countries good and pure cultures.


I dont believe they do have the worst culture in the world, what we are concerned about is the dilution of our own culture and our politicians (from both party's)blindly following the US without regard to the opinions of most Australians.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Dock6
" To quote from an official memo, George W. Bush referred to the reluctant Aussies as “a bunch of ex-con kangaroo humpers.”


So thats what the Shrub/Bush thinks of us eh? If wasnt for our SAS saving the backsides of the much hyped military in Afganistan you guys would have been toast. We may be small in military power and population but that dont mean as mentioned before we cannot fight above our own weight. Have you Yanks read about the Battle of Long Tan in Vietnam?

Refer here - www.anzacday.org.au...
Quote - "Morning revealed that the Viet Cong force, estimated at 2,500, had been badly mauled. 245 Viet Cong bodies were found in the battle area. It was apparent that the Viet Cong commanders had failed to appreciate the effectiveness of artillery fire and had paid dearly as a result.

The Australians had lost 18 killed, 17 from D Company (including the young platoon commander of 11 platoon) and one from 1st APC Squadron, and 24 wounded."

So were a bunch of ex-con kangaroo humpers huh? Well these kangaroo humpers would smack your ball-less ball headed eagle back into it's nest where it belongs, the nerve of him, especially as a US president to make comments about his allies like that!


Originally posted by crgintx
I will grant you that the original inhabitants of Australia's population has rebounded much better than has North Americans.


Mate, you obviously dont know our Abo's too well. They have not rebounded in any way or form. Granted, there are a few who are civilised and live decent hard working lives or who retain the lifestyle of their ancestors and mind their own business in the wild and live their ways.

The majority are alcohol intoxicated, or petrol fume intoxicated, even aerosol can fume intoxicated ferals. They run riot in their outback communities bashing their women to pieces and doing unheard of crimes to children. Those of you here from Australia know what I am talking about and will not go into details here of those accounts for I beleive it is unsuitable.

Our taxes are given to Aborigines and in large amounts and they blow it all on alcohol. They are given new four wheel drives that they trash. Are given ne whouses and homes in their communities by the government that they destroy, then they cry poor and say they need help.

Ive spoken too many people, police included in country areas who say that if a mob of young aborigines ever line up across the highway....DONT STOP, thats right drive straight through, for when you stop, they bash the male, do you know what to the females, and take the car and run.

I know of someone personally who was pulled over by the police in his prime mover with 3 young aboriginal males clinging for their lives on the trucks bullbar, for when he stopped and realised what was happening he took off with the three of them on it.

So dont try and tell me they have "rebounded" much better than the Native Americans.

The Free Trade agreements between Australia and other countries, US and China included should be scrapped immediately for there is not benefit for the common Australian. And us selling Uranium to the Chinese is the biggest mistake that ever happened! When Taiwan declares independance and the US goes against China, Australia will be expected to be there with the Yanks. Of course we will not to that, but there is the possibility of Australia imposing economic and trade sanctions against China. What will be China's response to that?

If you will not sell us the resources we need to survive, then we will come over there and get it ourselves. Smart choice Johnny, like I said before, its not always about the dollar!



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by RWPBR
When the next plane load of Muslims crashes into the Sydney Opera House instead of an American building you lot may be singing a different tune.


This has got to be the stupidest thing Ive heard said on this forum


What sort of a remark is that? Are you trying to say that if we dont support the US George Bush is gonna orchestrate another inside job terror attack against Australian on our homesoil?

Clarify your comments or stop making silly remarks that do not have anything to do with the topic at hand



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
The Free Trade agreements between Australia and other countries, US and China included should be scrapped immediately for there is not benefit for the common Australian. And us selling Uranium to the Chinese is the biggest mistake that ever happened! When Taiwan declares independance and the US goes against China, Australia will be expected to be there with the Yanks. Of course we will not to that, but there is the possibility of Australia imposing economic and trade sanctions against China. What will be China's response to that?

If you will not sell us the resources we need to survive, then we will come over there and get it ourselves. Smart choice Johnny, like I said before, its not always about the dollar!


You make it seem like the free trade agreements benefit Americans and everyone else except the common Australian. They don't benefit us, they benefit those who make the agreements.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
You make it seem like the free trade agreements benefit Americans and everyone else except the common Australian. They don't benefit us, they benefit those who make the agreements.


You are correct in that statement they don't benifit the average man on the street except in this case...part of the so called free trade agreement involved the US demanding that Australia pay top dollar for their pharmaceuticals like they do in the US which involved removing pricing limits on common every day medicines. WTF the US wanted us to pay more for health medicines ??? get real, and we in return asked for the subsidies that US farmers got with their grain exports which was artificially keeping grains high ?

I say that the trade agreement with the US wasn't fairly dealt with and was uniquely designed to give big pharma more profits as obviously they had more lobbying clout that the Australian Govt. as did the Farming lobby groups.

This is the kind of Loyalty the US governement gives back to us for being loyal to the USA in every war since WW1 ??...looks like a one way street.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 07:18 PM
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The free trade agreements and loosening of those laws have had the following impacts on Australian Society...

1. Many rural centres are closing down because our manufacturing industry just cannot compete with our asian neighbours, this is leading to all kinds of disasterous effects.. a) High unemployment b) many unskilled workers having to be "re-educated" to enter the work force. this in turn leads to PATHETIC Pi55y paying traineeship (slave) wages and even more disgusting "WORK FOR THE DOLE".

2. It has impacted on the trend to casualise work. The hospitality and tourism sectors are still flourishing and most of these jobs are casual. this leads to no job security and the 'average jo" is most likely unable to support his family and borrow money from a bank with casual earnings to purchase his family home..

3. This leads to greater market availablity of housing to investors to rent to these poor casual slaving souls for an amazingly and ridiculously high amount of weekly rent.

4. The govenrment has created this monster.. They have shaped our society to have high unemployment intentionally. If there is high unemployment there is greater job competitiveness and workers when they do land a positon will work damn hard and productively to keep it. People will also work for lower wages Just to have SOME KIND OF EARNINGS and also to avoid penalty and cut of welfare payments for not accepting a degrading below the poverty line sum of money for services.

Look, I could go on and on about this a whole lot more. I wont. But hey.. at the end of it all I want to say.. why the hell arent you looking after us Howard??? Cuz Im telling you right now. Your ties with the US wont win you your next election. We are over your Bush aRz kissing and wanna know what you are doing for your own people.. Aside from attempting to back employees, single mums and youth into working on asian wages and conditions. Stick your capatalist supporting ways right up ya aRz... We all think it sucks and your plan will not work, we arent going to do it.. Look up the history books and read why the Eurkeka flag was flown.. KNOW its gunna happen again.. This is collective opinion and not only my own. You can ban strikes all you like. make them illegal.. AS IF WE CARE.. Society is not THAT easily dictated to. you have dumbed down some of them. But not enough to get away with that im afraid Mr Howard.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 08:36 PM
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FoxyWhiskers

Good post mate, its heartening to see a fellow Unionist that hasn't bowed to Johnny's Fascist Regiem. I twigged on to whats happening here about 8 years ago when the Company I worked for started to make laws of its own that we had to abide by, but it felt compelled to make them not applicable to the management.

When will these stupid globalist's realise that Fascism was tried out in the 40's with Mussolini being strung up by the people of Italy and Hitler went mad and killed himself. If history is anything to go by then I await the day they are all tried and locked away forever.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by mazzroth

When will these stupid globalist's realise that Fascism was tried out in the 40's with Mussolini being strung up by the people of Italy and Hitler went mad and killed himself. If history is anything to go by then I await the day they are all tried and locked away forever.


HERE HERE!
Intimidated, spineless, weasely, weak, are all words I will use to describe any person who is so easily coerced into things that their people just dont want. (ie: we wanted no part in the war on Iraq. Howard attempted to tell this to Bush and was respobnded with a psuedo threat IN MY OWN OPINION) Bush responded with the likes of "well lets pray that the terrorists dont plot to make an attack on Australia then"

Bush's people are patriotic in the massed (not all of you okay!
) Generally we have been more supicious of our politicians across the board as Unionisim and Mateship in our history have led to the riding up against dumb policies that govvies in the past have tried to enforce.. He is just a fool. His come-uppance is on its way..

Mr Howard we want our voices back. Dumbing our kids down with "global learning" its not going to work. It didnt with the last generation. You might think the 20-30's are all safe vote.. Uh hu.. We got our eye on you too!

If we dont get our voice back. If we feel our personal rights and freedom is being encroached upon then this will go high.. We are talking about war crimes when you take a persons civil liberty away from them needlessly without reason.. Are you prepared for THAT war???



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 09:41 PM
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As a lowly populated country we definetly need subservience to someone, at the moment it's the US and to a lesser extent Japan . The question is would Australians rather Chinese culture over American?

Instead of a bit of rap music here and there (don't forget that there must be some Australians buying this music or it wouldn't be here) we would only be able to listen to Chinese music, have our internet censored (probably wouldn't be able to use this site), get payed 20c an hour, have a communist government (no voting) and once our resources are gone be left in limbo.

I would rather put up with some American rap in order to listen to American heavy metal and put up with American sitcoms in order to watch their movies. Most of the bad American culture making it's way here is due to idiots in our own society liking it (im not saying all American culture is bad only Brittney Spears and 50cent etc)

We also get a pretty good deal from the US as far as defense goes. Having access to US technology is a major benefit (M1A1, F/A-18,F/A-35 etc). Also our defense treaty with them is much more in our favor, you complain now about how we follow the US into war but you won't complain if we get attacked and the US defends us (wont happen because other countries recognise this).



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 09:53 PM
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I dont believe they do have the worst culture in the world, what we are concerned about is the dilution of our own culture and our politicians (from both party's)blindly following the US without regard to the opinions of most Australians.

WOW you folks ARE "Americanized", we didn't even Vote bush in office and went to war in Iraq on lies; Welcome to the NWO (but should be called the New World Chaos)



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 09:58 PM
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We also get a pretty good deal from the US as far as defense goes. Having access to US technology is a major benefit (M1A1, F/A-18,F/A-35 etc). Also our defense treaty with them is much more in our favor, you complain now about how we follow the US into war but you won't complain if we get attacked and the US defends us (wont happen because other countries recognise this).


But at what cost?

Your ideas about chinese culture emanating into Australian is somewhat jaded.. Um we have a great provisioning for chinese culture here in Australia as it is.. They have moved on from Steamed rice in the kitchen, lotus in the garden and music only on the glockenspiel...
Americans dont have a "rich cultural history" (in comparison to England Ireland Japan china etc) they have a socially disturbed youth influence.. and that is my problem. Its commercialism is rampant and so are its ideals which are permiating thru.. OVER IT!



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 10:00 PM
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The govenrment has created this monster.. They have shaped our society to have high unemployment intentionally.


Errrrrrrrrrrr, I seriously hope your not talking about the Australian economy because we have record employment levels, in fact the problem is that we have too many jobs that can't be filled. That's why the government has started the "guest worker" program, because their trying to fill positions with foreigners.

Oops sorry, what I meant to say was, chinaisgreatchinawillbeallpowerfuldownwithamericaandgeorgebushjohnhowardisevilandfascistdownwiththefascistslonglivetherevolutionallaackbar



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Cthulwho

The govenrment has created this monster.. They have shaped our society to have high unemployment intentionally.


Errrrrrrrrrrr, I seriously hope your not talking about the Australian economy because we have record employment levels, in fact the problem is that we have too many jobs that can't be filled. That's why the government has started the "guest worker" program, because their trying to fill positions with foreigners.

Oops sorry, what I meant to say was, chinaisgreatchinawillbeallpowerfuldownwithamericaandgeorgebushjohnhowardisevilandfascistdownwiththefascistslonglivetherevolutionallaackbar

Wow.. so long as you didnt really mean that first bit. Record employment levels?? C;mon.. if you call "work for the dole" and on the job traineeships" (slave wages) employment. FFS.. I hope noone takes seriously the first part of your message



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 10:17 PM
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The unemployment rate in Australia has fallen from 8.4% in January 1997 to 4.6% in January 2007.

www.abs.gov.au...@.nsf/DetailsPage/6202.0Jan%202007?OpenDocument

Click on DOWNLOAD NOW, go to pg 3.

EDIT: Of course that is Australia wide, in Western Australia because of the mining boom the unemployment rate would be less than 3%. Basically anyone that wants a job in Australia can get one, especially if they go work in the mining, housing (roof carpentry, brick laying), accounting, nursing etc.

[edit on 8-2-2007 by Cthulwho]



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Cthulwho
The unemployment rate in Australia has fallen from 8.4% in January 1997 to 4.6% in January 2007.

[edit on 8-2-2007 by Cthulwho]


The criteria for determining the unemployment figures is rather restrictive actually. To be determined as unemployed on the LFS (Labour Force survey) someone must not have worked greater than 1HOUR in paid/family or voluntary employment, Be actively seeking employment, be entitled to a centrelink payment. Lets look at the REAL LEVELS of unemployment and not on the so finely tuned government statistical reports okay.. As I said Work for the dole recipients arent called unemployed when they shift to 38 hours a week EVEN when they are still recieving a centrelink entitlement. use your head and look at other schemes implemented during that time. Take into consideration POPULATION GROWTH.. The REAL levels of unemployment are far greater than what you are considering. Too many variables.. You are relying on government statistics.. Umm of course they are goign to make themselves look good. When they wanted to bring in work for the dole etc it was sprawled across the media about how our youth were unemployable bums who dont want to work.. Lets consider all the appreentichips that used to be available to our kids with the State Electricity Commisions, The public Works Department etc. All of these jobs have been now deprivatised and sent to contract with big business. Kids in the country dont get the jobs.. The metro multi million dollar corps are coming into towns doing road works.. THINK OPENLY>. dont close your mind to the REAL levels of unemployment. Add also the loosening of trade between countries. It has completely killed Australias manufacturing industry.



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 05:27 AM
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FoxyWhiskers,

You have just recieved a WATS from me for your contributions here - I wholeheartedly agree.

The employment figures are fudged, totaly and cannot be taken a face value and everyone who works in a trade or manufacturing environment knows that. The globalisation of our world is screwing up the social balance and cohesion that used to exist. You used to be able to go to work with the male being the dominant bread winner and the wife would stay home and have on average 3 or so kids.

These days, you need both partners working as much as they can to service their mortgages just to survive. I know of a few families who have lost their homes when the female got pregnant because they lost that one extra wage they were getting and couldnt survive. And thats from working class families with small homes and an average mortgage, just trying to get buy.

Thats if you can still get a mortgage with the casualisation of the labour market as mentioned earlier. You have no chance of getting a mortgage for a house if you are a casual worker - your job title by definition states that you dont work all the time and are subjected to the posibility of being sacked at any time. What a load of hogwash!


And then you get the treasurer state publicly on television during his last budget announcement that " every couple in Australia should have one child for each parent and one for the country". Are you serious? No one can afford that! Why not pay mother to have kids and you might get your increased birthrate and future taxpayers coming into this world.

And what about these induistrial laws? Not good Johnny, when a rapist or a murder has more rights in court than a building worker, you know the place is F$#@%$D UP! If you stop work because of a safety risk, you may be summoned to a private court session where you cannot refuse to go or else you get fined $6,000- if you refuse to answer any questions in relation to the charge of illegally ceasing work at a unionised site you will be fined an extra $6,000- (even a rapist/criminal has the right to refuse to say anything for it may be used against you in the court of law, building workers do not have that right anymore), and when you leave court, if you mention anything to anyone about the whole incident, then you will be fined another $6,000. Freedom and Democracy huh? My F#$%%N ARS3 You go to work in this day and age, and help out a fellow mate, possibly saving his life from a potential safety risk and you run the risk yourself of getting fined $18,000 and loosing your job in the end, like lifes not hard enough already.

Johnny, if your reading this with your Wanky mates and their Echelon program, mark my words, you have hurt many many people out there in the community and many who supported you in the past have changed their tune now, and it wont be long till the Eureka Flag will fly high and proud from the pole at the Parliament Building, mark my words, if you win the next election, the people will kick you out of office personally!

P.S Here Johnny here's the Eureka Flag, you know the one you Liberal Conservatives hate so much, look at it and get used to the look of it, study your history books and the meaning of the Eureka Stockade and why that battle took place.



[edit on 9/2/07 by Melbourne_Militia]



posted on Feb, 9 2007 @ 06:30 AM
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Australia is going through an economic boom time with record low unemployment. So more people have jobs and earning good wages (not eveyone) and as a result our economy is overheating. Because our economy is overheating the reserve bank has lifted interest rates, this
means housing repayments are going up and becoming less affordable.

If unemployment was high/increasing that would mean less people with money competing for scarce jobs and accepting lower wages. If this happened the economy would slow down causing the reserve bank to lower interest rates making housing more affordable (house prices would also drop).

I agree with Foxywhiskers that the government should be providing more apprentiships, because at the moment we're going through a labour shortage (not enough skilled people to fill the numerous vacant positions).

Also, Melbourne_Miltia for the past 30 years it's been becoming obvious that manufacturing and some trade positions have been drying up. This is because we cannot compete with cheap labour from asian countries. This doesn't mean that unemployment has been increasing rather the labour force has shifted. Look at the numerous jobs that have been created in the computer industry for example.



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