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Why bother spending so much time trying to prove they are not flares? If someone looks at those lights and thinks they are flares then I doubt you could convince them otherwise with scientific data.
Originally posted by Outrageo
Why bother spending so much time trying to prove they are flares? If someone looks at those lights and thinks they are not flares then I doubt you could convince them otherwise with scientific data (or direct, specific experience/film/photos/testimony/expert witnesses/empirical evidence, etc., etc....).
Originally posted by yuefo
But here's the problem--that's an assumption on your part, and most importantly, its predicated on something that isn't demonstrable, at least where video or photographic evidence is concerned. As I asked in a previous post on this thread, where is the visual evidence beyond these incidents in Phoenix? Flare drops? There should be at least dozens of examples one could dial up on Google. But they aren't there. Moreover, I've never seen any incident except the Phoenix ones that "fools" multiple witnesses. Why is that? Why do only the Phoenix "flare drops" generate speculation?
I began by saying it was an assumption on your part that evidence couldn't convince people otherwise that they weren't flares. Show me something that looks similar somewhere else and I'll change my mind. My experience is that ufo adherents are more than willing to buy into reasonable explanations. They're not nearly as inflexible as you assert. On the other hand, you have to offer more than the government's version of events, obviously.
think we can all agree that there were two seperate incidents back in '97. Most of us believe that the object that was seen overhead by many, was "the real" UFO. Later, the military (intentionally or not) dropped flares which consequently caused a debate that is still going on today. The debate about the flares has taken attention from the real UFO incident. UFO researchers began to focus on the flares (or not) instead of the solid v-shaped object. We find ourselves debating about flares again, but has anyone looked into other witness accounts even if they may not seem relevant? Maybe, that's what we should be looking for. Some obscure sighting report. Are any Pheonix investigators here? If so, any reports from the public about sightings around the same time?
For those looking for flare footage, I'll again mention the Phoenix Lights documentary that was featured on the Travel Channel in Feb of 2006. I'm sure a vid or dvd is available from the TC if you are serious about seeing it. This footage of other flares, the analysis of how the flares disappear behind the mountain, and the details of the MD Air National Guard exercise, should provide sufficient evidence of the 10pm event to be flares, (for most folks)...
Originally posted by 27jd
And for those here that are calling for pics of flares, here is some compared to the Phoenix light pics...
Originally posted by yuefo
Correct me if I'm misinterpreting--don't your photos show, via spectrum analysis, that the Phoenix lights DON'T resemble military drops? I'm confused because you seem to be making the opposite argument.