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posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Tamahu
No, the Zionists(Black Lodge) are behind it:


The fundamentalist Christians are behind it. They hate freedom.

Landover Baptist Church





Or rather, they are being used by the Zionists.


You really think G.W. Bush is a "believing Christian"?



[edit on 7-2-2007 by Tamahu]




posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 07:48 PM
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Oh man!


That website is just wrong.



I'm certainly no fan of the Southern Baptists; but that's a bit much on the blasphemy tip.




[edit on 7-2-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by mitchelcopper
Masonry and the Illuminati are behind the war on terrorism. Just look at the former presidents who were masons. Ford for instance pardons Nixon. Just look at the masonic track record and you can see what a joke freemasonry really is. All masonry really is about is networking it cults. Look at the man who mad wal-mart a mason. Look at John Wayne a mason, Look at some of the country singers masons. Masons made many of their kind rich. Must be nice to be part a of a huge cult that can network well.


Uhh, Nixon wasn't a Mason...

Country singers? Wha?

Ah, I see. You've begun your descent into outright gibberish.



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by mitchelcopper
It's really not that hard to see that freemasonry is wrong. There are things that masons are not going to talk about here. When people keep things hidden from others the main reason is they know that it's wrong. And most of the time they don't want to get caught. As a Mason you will be led and hoodwinked into believing there is useful knowledge to be learned in Masonry. This is the "hook", and in each level you will be disappointed with these so-called Secrets, which are all frivolous, made up, and insignificant. This so....................
..........................as such, contrary to the laws of the land. Yet you will be enticed to make them.
As a group they are officially known as the "Free and Accepted Masons," sometimes called the "Ancient Free and Accepted Masons." Most often they're referred to simply as "Freemasons" or "Masons." One main difference between Freemasonry and Christianity is that Christianity holds that Jesus is everything, while Masonry teaches that He is nothing. The Bible kept in Masonic Lodges is there just like a piece of furniture. The Holy Name of Jesus is never to be read from it.

As I have stated above this is why masonry is wrong.


[edit on 7-2-2007 by mitchelcopper]


Are you talking about Idolatry?


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posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 10:47 PM
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Hmmmm

Am I the only one that notices that the majority of folks who jumped in and begin quoting other sites, or plain out right attack Masonry, like the OP just joined very very recently?

Why is that? A conspiracy?
But no, am I the only one seeing this?

Other then that, the quote above me prove to me anyways that I am right in saying that the religious zealots of this world will libel and slander any thing and any one that does not directly conform to their thought process or to their way of life or ideology. No doubt Christians are the most dangerous group on the planet with millions lives taken, the blood on their hands.. I would trust any Mason over some religious zealots ANY day.

And another thing...

Why do people who are not Masons seem to think they know the truth and the real Masons do NOT know the truth. I mean honestly.. that is the stupidest thing I have heard of in my entire life.. you can quote websites and you are now more knowledgeable then any Mason huh? Talk about being conceded.



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Why do people who are not Masons seem to think they know the truth and the real Masons do NOT know the truth. I mean honestly.. that is the stupidest thing I have heard of in my entire life.. you can quote websites and you are now more knowledgeable then any Mason huh? Talk about being conceded.




Perhaps others have knowledge to share that is related to FreeMasonry.

Why not let what is shared speak for itself, instead of worrying about the personalities that are sharing it?

If you have any specific arguements against any of it; then by all means bring them up, instead of complaining about it.






Originally posted by Rockpuck
No doubt Christians are the most dangerous group on the planet with millions lives taken, the blood on their hands..




Here's another quote:



Buddhism, Christianity And Phallicism

"Christ is not responsible for the mediaeval and the modern Christianity fabricated in His name." - H.P. Blavatsky




Link: What It Means To Be A Gnostic






Regards




[edit on 7-2-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 12:39 AM
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*sighs* I am so sick of you proclaiming your gnostic BS on every single thread you come to, highjacking most of the threads you come across with it, derailing and ruining any conversation that was once taking place.

Did I ever say Christ was responsible? No. The individuals in his name. In relation to Masons I suppose you could say Masonry its self does not condone the actions of every single member, we are made up of individuals.

So many people wonder why men who go on to be powerful icons are Masons, but perhaps its that type of people seek out organizations like Masonry.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
*sighs* I am so sick of you proclaiming your gnostic BS on every single thread you come to, highjacking most of the threads you come across with it, derailing and ruining any conversation that was once taking place.



Offering relevant information is ruining a thread?

Please show me one thread where my post had nothing to do with the topic.




Did I ever say Christ was responsible? No. The individuals in his name. In relation to Masons I suppose you could say Masonry its self does not condone the actions of every single member, we are made up of individuals.



I was just making it clear that Religions and their original Messengers get slandered by their fanatical followers.




So many people wonder why men who go on to be powerful icons are Masons, but perhaps its that type of people seek out organizations like Masonry.



Yes, Masonic Lodges are certainly sitting on a wealth of information(Godfrey Higgin's writings certainly show this).

And you know the saying: "Knowledge is Power."




[edit on 8-2-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by Tamahu



You really think G.W. Bush is a "believing Christian"?




Yes.

But, unfortunately, the Rapture is not an exit strategy.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Hmmmm

Am I the only one that notices that the majority of folks who jumped in and begin quoting other sites, or plain out right attack Masonry, like the OP just joined very very recently?

Why is that? A conspiracy?
But no, am I the only one seeing this?

Other then that, the quote above me prove to me anyways that I am right in saying that the religious zealots of this world will libel and slander any thing and any one that does not directly conform to their thought process or to their way of life or ideology. No doubt Christians are the most dangerous group on the planet with millions lives taken, the blood on their hands.. I would trust any Mason over some religious zealots ANY day.

And another thing...

Why do people who are not Masons seem to think they know the truth and the real Masons do NOT know the truth. I mean honestly.. that is the stupidest thing I have heard of in my entire life.. you can quote websites and you are now more knowledgeable then any Mason huh? Talk about being conceded.


Just because their viewpoint is different than yours doesn't mean you have to rubbish their opinion Rockpuck.



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posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Am I the only one that notices that the majority of folks who jumped in and begin quoting other sites, or plain out right attack Masonry, like the OP just joined very very recently?

No, I've seen this too. I think there is a concerted attempt by other conspiracy sites to undermine ATS by spoiling the threads. Some of the things that have been said by posters imply that there is organization behind it. They're attacking the SS section because they want to rubbish ATS by claiming that it is run by masons.


Why do people who are not Masons seem to think they know the truth and the real Masons do NOT know the truth.

Oh - simple. The real masons are lying. The questions is... why are they lying and how come every one lies so consistently? More evidence of a conspiracy?



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Am I the only one that notices that the majority of folks who jumped in and begin quoting other sites, or plain out right attack Masonry, like the OP just joined very very recently?

No, I've seen this too. I think there is a concerted attempt by other conspiracy sites to undermine ATS by spoiling the threads. Some of the things that have been said by posters imply that there is organization behind it. They're attacking the SS section because they want to rubbish ATS by claiming that it is run by masons.


Why do people who are not Masons seem to think they know the truth and the real Masons do NOT know the truth.

Oh - simple. The real masons are lying. The questions is... why are they lying and how come every one lies so consistently? More evidence of a conspiracy?


Are you saying this is a conspiracy in a conspiracy.?

I don't suppose you can prove it though.

edit: I don't want to be rude but I think your paranoid. I registered recently and i'm not against Freemasons

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[edit on 8-2-2007 by carslake]

[edit on 8-2-2007 by carslake]



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Actually, we evolved separately from the apes, but from a common ancestor.


... and it doesn't take much research to see that some folks didn't actually evolve.


Originally posted by mitchelcopper
That masonry lies to new people to get them suckered into it.


How is that possible... since we don't recruit? Folks have to come to us, in the first place. Unless you are suggesting some sort of wide-spread mass-mind control?




Masonry claims to take a good man and make him better. We know that's not the case.


Who is 'we'? Got a mouse in your pocket?

Many of 'us' have found the fraternity to do just that.



We both now it's more then that....a cult is more like it.


Again, no 'we' don't. 'You' may think that, based off stuff you've read on the same trash web sites. But some of 'us' have actually looked into the subject.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
*sighs* I am so sick of you proclaiming your gnostic BS on every single thread you come to, highjacking most of the threads you come across with it, derailing and ruining any conversation that was once taking place.



What do you have against Gnosticism?


[edit on 8-2-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 10:22 AM
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Nothing at all. I have a problem with it being presented in every single thread (along with alot of pictures from the site which most of the time have absolutly nothing to do with the topic that is being discussed.) Trying to say that Gnostism is the only answer to everything, especially in regards to anything Masonic.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 10:28 AM
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I'm with Rockpuck on this one. Not to mention that half the time its just quotes of massive amounts of material, without commentary.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by carslake
I don't want to be rude but I think your paranoid. I registered recently and i'm not against Freemasons

I used to be paranoid, but I stopped when I realized they were watching me



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 01:30 PM
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Hiram Abiff, The Masonic Christ,The Blazing Star...' What a joke it must be to be a mason. Lets have secret handshakes and secret passwords for our lodge meetings.Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong - essentially wrong - a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.
President John Quincy Adams
Letters on the Masonic Institution
T.R. Marvin Press, Boston, 1847
Boy Quincy wasn't to far off on that one.
The Scottish Rite Third-Degree Master Mason Oath
This commits the occult initiate to commit murder, if necessary:
I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree . . . and in failure of this I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air, so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on the highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may God help and maintain me. Amen.
Later if he 'advances' in his Masonic career he will learn the secret identity of the God of the Lodge. This is a real nice oath here. I like the part were you can burn their entrails and cut peoples heads off.Freemasonry takes a man, and makes him a better man. If that man is a Christian, you get a better Christian.
LVX "rosy-cross", 32' Scottish Rite Mason
Posted review comment on a book critical of Freemasonry
The Secret Teachings of the Masonic Lodge: A Christian Perspective
www.amazon.com Yeah the bible teaches us that after being born again and being baptised we need no more light. But without the light of masonry you can't get to heaven. What a joke masonry is. The Scottish Rite Third-Degree Master Mason Oath This commits the occult initiate to commit murder, if necessary:
I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree . . . and in failure of this I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air, so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on the highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may God help and maintain me. Amen. I like the part about letting my body be cut open and exposed to the air for eight hours. Real nice masons. Freemasons have traditionally answered their critics in one of two ways:
If the critic is not a Freemason, his criticism is dismissed. Freemasons say he could not possibly know the truth about the society because he has never been a member.
If the critic is a member which has left the society, Freemasons dismiss his criticism by saying that, for some unknown reason, he has developed a hatred against the society. This hatred not only caused him to leave Freemasonry, it has caused him to print absolute lies in an attempt to discredit and destroy the society.



The Oaths, the Penalties, and the Secrets - whether all disclosed with perfect accuracy or not; whether understood as they were by the murderers of Morgan, or as explained by the defenders of Masonry - are unreasonable, odious, and I believe unlawful. The Oaths of all Masons, heretofor admitted, if they ever had any binding force, are dissolved by the public disclosure of the secrets, which they had bound themselves to keep. Their country calls on them to disclaim henceforth and forever all secrets, and as incidental to the injuction of them, all oaths and penalties. This reasonable and moderate call has not only been resisted by the great body of Freemasons throughout the United States, but no man, high or low, eminent or obscure, has dared to avow this opinion and unite in this call without being assailed in his reputation, robbed of his good name, insulted, abused and vilified openly and in secret, by individual Masons and by organized Lodges, a body of at least two hundred thousand men, scattered over the whole Union, - all active and voting men, linked together by secret ties, for purposes of indefinite extent; bound together by oaths and penalties operating with terrific energy upon the human heart, and upon its fears; embracing within the penalty within its laws the President of the United States and his leading competitors; and winding itself around every great politcal party for its support, like poisonous ivy round a sturdy oak, and round every object of its aversion, like the boa-constrictor around its victim. Such in faint and diluted colors is at this time the image of the Masonic Institution in these United States. Commanding despotically a large portion of the public presses - intimidating by its terrors multitudes of others - and amid all its internal dissensions, uniting with the whole mass of its power against every common adversary, one of the most alarming and pernicious characters in which it now presents itself, is that of its political dominion. You tell me that you are Antimasonic in your opinion and feelings, but are perplexed by the mixture of Politics with Antimasonry. But you place herein the effect before the cause. The mixture of Politics is with Masonry.

President John Quincy Adams
Quincy, Massachusetts
23 September, 1831



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 01:40 PM
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Sounds like someones a little jealous honestly.

Kind of like the nerdy kid no one wanted in the tree house. Instead of continuing to try and get into the tree house or wanting to be in the tree house or wanting to be included, he decides that the tree house is a stupid idea that only losers would want to be in. Like the story of the sour grapes.
Its ok though, just because your afraid of the big bad boogy man Mason doesn't mean we are bad people. You just have to get past your self, your mental incapabilities and your self righteous way of thinking before you can except those different then your self.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 03:24 PM
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Yeah you got me figured out. Nice try lets have a look at some other information on the great brotherhood.Masonry, a false religion, also has a trinity. Ancient idolatry had its trinities, and modern idolatry has its trinities. Satan, the arch-counterfeiter, is the father of all lies as well as false systems of worship. Now in order to deceive people, and especially an intelligent people, his device, or plan, or counterfeit must be built likewise, so as to appear genuine. A counterfeit dollar is the more dangerous the more nearly it resembles the real, because it is the more likely to deceive. Every one understands, or rather is aware that God is known as a triune being; recognizes himself as such. God the Father is represented as strength, as a rock. Isa. 17: 10; Psa. 24:8; Job 9:19. God the Son is represented as the Savior. Matt. 1:21. A mediator. I Tim. 2:5; Heb. 8:6. The true light. Jno. 1:4,9, etc. God the Holy Ghost. represented as wisdom, or the source of wisdom. Jno. 14:26. As inspiring scripture. 2 Tim. 3:16. As directing the world or gospel of God, as to where it should be preached. Acts 16:6,7,10. How it should be preached. I Cor. 2:4. Reveals what the gospel is. I Cor. 2:12. These three are here set forth in their offices in the true system. References will be found to many of the above scriptures that will enable the reader to push investigation as much further as he likes. The above will give the offices of each in a general way sufficient to see the illustration to follow. Masonry in a way acknowledges what it calls the Grand Architect of the Universe; but prefers to symbolize him by three persons, whom we now proceed to investigate.

First, the symbolic structure of Masonry is supported by three symbolic pillars; namely, wisdom, strength, and beauty. These three pillars are in Masonic terms, Solomon, representing in the Masonic trinity the pillar of wisdom. Hiram, king of Tyre, representing the pillar of strength, and Hiram Abiff, the widow's son, representing the pillar of beauty. Here we have the Masonic foundation. Their trinity upon which Satan builds one of his most cunning, if not his most cunning and elaborate counterfeit of God's divinity, and God's plan of salvation.

The offices of Solomon as wisdom, and Hiram as strength, i. e., counterfeits of the Holy Ghost, and of the Father, can be readily seen from the above. The Masonic lectures clear up that matter wonderfully. The question here arises: Who was Hiram Abiff? If he is a symbol of the Son, how does it appear that he is known as the pillar of beauty, or one of the trinity. Christ in the trinity is our example. I Jno. 1:26. Hiram Abiff is the standard of true Masonry, and all Masons are instructed to pattern after him. (See Masonic Lectures.) Being assured that if they do so they will gain an entrance into "The Grand lodge" that Masons tell us is above, where the lecture tells us the Grand Architect presides, etc., etc. Hiram Abiff then is the Masonic mediator, even as Christ is the Christian mediator. Christ suffered for the sins of the world in order to complete the Father's plan. Hiram Abiff, (see Legend of the Temple Builders) was put to death by fellow crafts because he would not comply with their demands, and break his word, and so violate his compact with Solomon and Hiram of Tyre in reference to the Master's Word," which was the most important secret or tie of Masonry, and held by those three alone at that time. This word, had it been revealed, would have destroyed the foundation of Masonry and the plan of its "alleged" founders. Hence Masonry according to their Masonic fable was preserved by the faithfulness of Hiram Abiff, who preferred death to the giving up to the temptation to purchase life by the violation of his oath. This is simply a condensed account of Hiram Abiff to show his part or place in the Masonic trinity. Turn now to the scripture and we find that when man sinned the Trinity had a plan for man's salvation. The Son was ordained as the sacrifice, who should put on the body of flesh, and come among men and suffer death as a man, in order that the plan of salvation might be carried out. He was tempted in all points as we are, yet he maintained his integrity, and at the cost of his life carried out the work God assigned him, so that salvation was realized.

In the Masonic plan we find two wonderful men, kings Solomon and Hiram; one strong and one wise. Solomon, to whom David gave the plan of the temple, being the author, gave the designing into the hands of Hiram Abiff, who drew the designs for the work on his trestle board for the workmen to copy after and work by.

So Christ was among men, and by his life and work among men, gave them a design, or pattern by which to build a spiritual house.

We recognize readily by the Bible that the building of the temple was a type of the spiritual house, or temple of God, "which temple ye are." And as there was no sound of hammer or tool of iron when it went up, so should the temple of God be built to day. The word and Spirit reveal that fact clearly. Solomon in building the temple represented wisdom, or the Holy Ghost himself acting as a type of the Holy Ghost workman in the building to be built in the heavens. Hiram as furnishing workmen, timber, etc., and fetching them from different points represents the strength of the Father considered separate from the others for the sake of illustration.

Hiram, the workman and designer drew patterns as God showed him, and while there with them directed the work until his "alleged" death, which of course Masons have no Bible foundation for. The only places where Hiram, or Huram the Architect is mentioned being in 2 Chron., 4th chapter, and I Kings 7th chapter, and those have reference only to his nativity, his world and its quality. So as nothing more was said of him, Satan filled the hearts of Masonic founders to take this man and make a savior out of him.

The Masonic story of Hiram Abiff then is a fable, continued by Satan to mock the word of God. "The Legend of the Temple Builders" is acted out in full while conferring the latter part of the third, or Master Mason's degree. The candidate is assaulted and the "word" is demanded of him (which as yet he has not received); he is then at the third assault struck on the head by a stuffed club called a setting maul, and symbolically killed. Then after a number of maneuvers he is buried on Mt. Moriah. He is missed, and after a long search his grave is found. Then comes the most damnable piece of mockery that Satan and the councils of hell could invent. A mock resurrection follows, and by the aid of Solomon and Hiram of Tyre he is raised from the dead by a grip known as the "Strong grip of the Lion of the tribe of Judah." Satan's counterfeit is complete, and the fiends of hell rejoice every time they see a poor blind candidate put through the mockery of coming from darkness to "Masonic" light. And yet men who profess to not only follow Christ, but preach his gospel also, support, countenance, attend, and recommend the institution to their sons and their friends. The "Legend of Hiram Abiff the Temple Builder" is copied from the legend of Osiris the Egyptian deity, and so closely resembles it as to prove the one to be copied from the other. Mackey says a great deal about "ancient mysteries," Egyptian rites, and also speaks of Osiris and others; and by following up his works, notes etc., "Pierson's Traditions," and "Morris' Dictionary" we are able to trace Masonry to right where it originated, i. e., in ancient Baal or sun worship. See Ezek. 8th chapter and especially 16th verse. Ezekiel clearly saw ancient Masonry in that vision. Tammuz, spoken of in verse 14, has reference to Adonis, another person, whose, history corresponds to that of Hiram and Osiris. Sun worship it clearly is, worked over to make what Dr. Oliver proudly calls "A universal religion." Dr. Oliver is a noted English Masonic writer and historian. He says, "To Christianize Masonry by praying to or through Christ would sink it from its sublime position as a universal religion to the level of a sect." There is a "learned Masonic" opinion of Christ. What do you think of it? No Christ there, is there? One Mason of my acquaintance, who at the time of which I speak had been a member of this order only a few months, said to me, "There is a god in Masonry, but no Christ." He had learned that in a few months, and yet said that he was a follower of Christ.

Beloved, how can these things be? All Masons know the truth of this matter. Can God look in mercy upon a man who professes his name, and yet touches these unclean, unholy, idolatrous worlds, or partakes with them?

Again before all of God's people I praise him for delivering me from such works. "Whom Christ makes free is free indeed." Such works as "Mackey's Lexicon," also his "Ritual," "Pierson's Traditions," "Morris' Dictionary," and other works Show what those great Masons who are acknowledged authority, say of Masonry as a religion, as well as of other points.

Those men have by their works enabled me to see more of Masonry than the average Mason sees in a life time. The books referred to, as well as their authors, are all standard, and are not "exposes" in any sense of the word, yet they are keys by which he who has been in the secret chambers of the lodge can unlock the secrets of Masonry to the world, and prove every step he takes. Truly, truly, did Christ say "Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant."�Luke 19:22. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.�Matt. 12:37.

O foolish Masons, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you! So Satan has overstepped himself, and while he thinks himself safely entrenched, God has found him out, and will pull him and his worlds down, even though they have climbed up another way



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