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Originally posted by budski
First, are we so arrogant that we have to believe that we MUST be the major culprit with regard to alleged gw.
Could it not be the case that we are minor contributors to a "problem" that is still unproven to a large degree.
Many other species produce huge amounts of much more potent "greenhouse" gasses.
Second, why are we not being given all the facts?
why is there not a level field when it comes to debate? why are the doubters (of which there are many) shouted down, abused and discredited?
Third, why is evidence against gw suppressed, changed, or edited to obscure the meaning of what the doubters are really saying
I would argue that the western world is so terrified of losing its economic monopoly to emerging industrial nations that they seek to inspire fear across the globe in order to preserve the status quo, the attitude being "we've got ours, but you can't have yours" or else you will "destroy the planet"
Scientists earning grant money from gw studies are terrified of losing it, so they build up the doom mongering whilst callously shooting down any dissenting voice.
Are we all such gullible fools that we are prepared to believe everything we are told about this?
Western governments told us about Saddams WMD we didn't believe that, so why should we believe them now.....
As previously stated, I would argue that this is less about protecting the environment than about governments and corporations wanting to maintain their economic status, and continue to feather their own nests at the expense of the populace........
Originally posted by Umbrax
The only conspiracy here is the one to suppress science so that profits continue to grow.
For example?
Which facts are missing?
The only major doubters I've ever seen are getting paid big bucks from the oil industry.
WRONG. It is the evidence that supports GW and the CO2 cause that is being suppressed change or edited.
The economic loss will be from oil companies and other polluters.
Like how much money? Exxon was paying ouyt way more than the climatologist on a government grant.
No I don't believe anything you have said. It contradicts all the facts.
Uh the White House is being confronted by nearly 800 of it's scientists saying they were told to downplay global warming.
Governments and corporations are keeping up the profit by pollution. Trying to reduce emissions could hurt their bottom line, not the opposite.
Originally posted by Shar
Personally I believe it they stop using the Harrp program that they put into place everywhere---that things will get a lot better. I believe it heats things up everytime they use it. I also believe it greatly messes with the weather patterens.
Originally posted by budski
We have long been inundated with theories about the "threat" of gw, and about how man, as a species, is mostly responsible.
I would like to raise a couple of points in regard to this and would welcome any feedback.
First, are we so arrogant that we have to believe that we MUST be the major culprit with regard to alleged gw. Could it not be the case that we are minor contributors to a "problem" that is still unproven to a large degree. Many other species produce huge amounts of much more potent "greenhouse" gasses.
Second, why are we not being given all the facts? why is there not a level field when it comes to debate? why are the doubters (of which there are many) shouted down, abused and discredited?
Third, why is evidence against gw suppressed, changed, or edited to obscure the meaning of what the doubters are really saying
I would argue that the western world is so terrified of losing its economic monopoly to emerging industrial nations that they seek to inspire fear across the globe in order to preserve the status quo, the attitude being "we've got ours, but you can't have yours" or else you will "destroy the planet"
Scientists earning grant money from gw studies are terrified of losing it, so they build up the doom mongering whilst callously shooting down any dissenting voice.
Studies showing many different reasons for temperature change (if indeed there is any) are quashed or ignored or discredited.
Phenomena such as the urban heat island effect are ignored.
The list goes on.
Are we all such gullible fools that we are prepared to believe everything we are told about this?
Western governments told us about Saddams WMD we didn't believe that, so why should we believe them now.....
As previously stated, I would argue that this is less about protecting the environment than about governments and corporations wanting to maintain their economic status, and continue to feather their own nests at the expense of the populace........
Originally posted by budski
We have long been inundated with theories about the "threat" of gw, and about how man, as a species, is mostly responsible.
I would like to raise a couple of points in regard to this and would welcome any feedback.
First, are we so arrogant that we have to believe that we MUST be the major culprit with regard to alleged gw. Could it not be the case that we are minor contributors to a "problem" that is still unproven to a large degree. Many other species produce huge amounts of much more potent "greenhouse" gasses.
Second, why are we not being given all the facts? why is there not a level field when it comes to debate? why are the doubters (of which there are many) shouted down, abused and discredited?
Third, why is evidence against gw suppressed, changed, or edited to obscure the meaning of what the doubters are really saying
I would argue that the western world is so terrified of losing its economic monopoly to emerging industrial nations that they seek to inspire fear across the globe in order to preserve the status quo, the attitude being "we've got ours, but you can't have yours" or else you will "destroy the planet"
Scientists earning grant money from gw studies are terrified of losing it, so they build up the doom mongering whilst callously shooting down any dissenting voice.
Studies showing many different reasons for temperature change (if indeed there is any) are quashed or ignored or discredited.
Phenomena such as the urban heat island effect are ignored.
The list goes on.
Are we all such gullible fools that we are prepared to believe everything we are told about this?
Western governments told us about Saddams WMD we didn't believe that, so why should we believe them now.....
As previously stated, I would argue that this is less about protecting the environment than about governments and corporations wanting to maintain their economic status, and continue to feather their own nests at the expense of the populace........
Arrogance has nothing to do with it. GW isn't alleged and the conclusion has been drawn that we are the cause. The human role in climate change is no longer debatable.
It should be obvious anyway though. I mean, it was known 15+ years ago, yet we are only hearing about it now...and we have been bombarded with it recently. Ask yourself WHY NOW. Could it have anything to do with the crazy weather of late?...
Originally posted by sp00ner
It's simply amazing the degree that people will lie to themselves to feel better about something. It's like having a giant tumor on the side of your head and insisting it's just a pimple and it will go away naturally. It's just a cycle.
Talk about deny ignorance...
Theres also one little fact you don't hear often, and thats that the other planets in our solar system are also experiencing climate shift. its not just Earth!
But in the end, it all comes back to the Sun and its activity IMO.