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Hillary and Socialism

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posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 06:49 AM
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I just heard the most frightening words I have ever heard from a member of the Senate...

"I want to take those profits."

WOW...

So now we have a member of the elected elite wanting to TAKE the profits from a perfectly legitimate corporation. What she is planning to do with them is completely irrelevant. THEY DO NOT BELONG TO HER....

When the Government can take the profits from any company, what is next?



Semper




posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 06:58 AM
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Perhaps she would be willing to contribute some of her Net assets?


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in the news with the release of her memoir, reported a net worth ranging from $352,000 to $3.8 million. While that may seem modest for a woman who snared an $8 million book deal, the former first lady also reported substantial liabilities, ranging from $1.7 million to $6.5 million. Most of these were for legal fees, an apparent result of the numerous investigations into the Clinton's during her husband's presidential administration.

www.cnn.com...

The sad thing is that the Republicans are not apparently going to field anyone of any worth and I was almost settled to actually vote for her. She is at least strong enough to do the job, experienced and in her own way supports the war.

I can not however, in good conscious support anyone with a Socialist agenda....

When was it ever considered OK for the Government to TAKE our profits? (Except for the IRS of course LOL)

Semper



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 07:24 AM
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One of the plays in the Communist/Democrat/Socialist play book is economic class envy. The other one will be based on Race.

The Democratic party as it has been run over the past several decades believes in the "divide and Conquer" strategy of winning elections. It works! There are a lot of sheep ready to be fleeced.

Roper



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 07:31 AM
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Instead of using the ignorant to attack a profitable corporation that employs thousands worldwide and who shareholders probably include many of the "common folks" IRA's and 401K why doesnt she actually help people?

Why doesnt she push to have subjects like futures, stocks, economics, basic money management taught in the government schools? Its only a bad thing when a company turns a profit if you yourself have no idea whats happening or how you can make a play off of it. I always found it insulting that the fundamentals of living life were never taught in school. I thought federalising everything was supposed to give all Americans a uniform foundation to succeed in a free market. Not dumb them all down to the point they would beg for totalitarian control.

Oh I forgot, Socialists want the public to be uninformed, undereducated and painfully ignorant of all aspects of life.

"Just close your eyes, sit back and let big gov take care of everything.
Here, have another beer. I think theres a new American Idol on tonight."


df1

posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
So now we have a member of the elected elite wanting to TAKE the profits from a perfectly legitimate corporation.

Don't worry about Hillary becoming a socialist, she is just posturing to get bribed with campaign contributions from those "legitimate corporation(s)".



When the Government can take the profits from any company, what is next?

With mega corporations taking the profits and using them buy & corrupt our government you have nothing to worry about.



Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Instead of using the ignorant to attack a profitable corporation that employs thousands worldwide...

After building their wealth on the backs of the American working class these corporations now want to be considered worldwide so that they can hide their profits so as to avoid paying taxes and deny a fair living wage to the people responsible for their success. It is the American people that are under attack by a criminal cabal composed of government and corporations.



Not dumb them all down to the point they would beg for totalitarian control.

So smarten up and stop groveling to the corporations.



Oh I forgot, Socialists want the public to be uninformed, undereducated and painfully ignorant of all aspects of life.

You are completely brainwashed by the corporate media that you revere. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and American Idol are all brought to you by same corporate theives. You have been spoon this empty rhetoric by this monolithic capitalist cabal and you actually believe them, but you want to blame Socialists. What a crock of manure.

[edit on 6-2-2007 by df1]



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:13 AM
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Df1 you got my above vote this month.


Don't you worry people she will go after the bad ugly corporations that are buying out the Americans legacy and our nation.

Very soon we will be owned by China anyway.


This socialist agenda of bashing candidates is getting very silly, after all the entire government of our nation is nothing than a pool of corrupted corporate ruled politicians.



Japan and China have each accumulated approximately $1 trillion dollars of currency reserves thru their balance of trade surplus with us. They can now use this money to buy any strategic company that they want to own and control. Most of our companies are for sale daily on the open stock market.


www.economyincrisis.org...

Don't you love when Capitalism start to be use to sell our own nation?



But hey we have to keep the illusion of a great economy going strong.


Just find out who is funding America now . . .Pity



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by df1

Originally posted by semperfortis
So now we have a member of the elected elite wanting to TAKE the profits from a perfectly legitimate corporation.

Don't worry about Hillary becoming a socialist, she is just posturing to get bribed with campaign contributions from those "legitimate corporation(s)".



When the Government can take the profits from any company, what is next?

With mega corporations taking the profits and using them buy & corrupt our government you have nothing to worry about.



Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Instead of using the ignorant to attack a profitable corporation that employs thousands worldwide...

After building their wealth on the backs of the American working class these corporations now want to be considered worldwide so that they can hide their profits so as to avoid paying taxes and deny a fair living wage to the people responsible for their success. It is the American people that are under attack by a criminal cabal composed of government and corporations.



Not dumb them all down to the point they would beg for totalitarian control.

So smarten up and stop groveling to the corporations.



Oh I forgot, Socialists want the public to be uninformed, undereducated and painfully ignorant of all aspects of life.

You are completely brainwashed by the corporate media that you revere. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and American Idol are all brought to you by same corporate theives. You have been spoon this empty rhetoric by this monolithic capitalist cabal and you actually believe them, but you want to blame Socialists. What a crock of manure.

[edit on 6-2-2007 by df1]


Whoa! Resorting to personal attacks so soon? Thats hardly called for.

Whats wrong? Bitter youre not successful, making money and enjoying the spoils of a free market? I assure you, if this is the case, its a simple lack of motivation. If you want socialism thats great. Go somewhere and be socialist. Youve got lots of choices. France, Germany, Venezuela, Cuba, China.....

Just dont force your will on me. Weve all got a god given right to live as we see fit. Youve yours and me mine.


df1

posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Whoa! Resorting to personal attacks so soon? Thats hardly called for.

Bull crap, I attacked bad ideas and immoral concepts. If you can't stand the heat of debate, then stay the hell out of the kitchen. Your playing the victim and whining will not silence me.



Go somewhere and be socialist. Youve got lots of choices. France, Germany, Venezuela, Cuba, China.....

I will call you down anytime you choose to peddle this "Love it or leave it" crap.


NOBODY IS LEAVING. Get use to that idea. If you freaking don't like it then you move to Dubai or some other multinational corporate fiefdom of your choosing.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 03:57 PM
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So what your saying is it is only OK to be "so" successful....

Then the BIG Bad Corporations are living off of the backs of their workers...

OH I see..

They twisted their arms and MADE those workers go to work for them... AH HA

It is all too clear now...

Ask anyone that worked for the BIG BAD Steel mills in Pittsburg that had to shut down if they want their jobs back.....

That must be the Corporate brainwashing.. Must be because you said the corporations are bad, so it has got to be that way...

Now back to the level of success...

If I start a business will I have to check in with you each quarter and tell you the profits I have made so that you and Hillary can determine if my profits were OK???

OH>>> SO it's not going to be you.....????

Then who determines who makes what amount of money???

What profit amount is going to be acceptable to you???

So does the BIG BAD Government tell the BIG BAD Corporations how much they can make???
PURE SOCIALISM

But if your not going to tell them how much, to make you happy, someone must...

That is nothing more that Socialist, Communist and Fascist BS in the most PURE FORM...

Hitler already did that job.... Him and Stalin...

Semper

[edit on 2/6/2007 by semperfortis]

[edit on 2/6/2007 by semperfortis]



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis


If I start a business will I have to check in with you each quarter and tell you the profits I have made so that you and Hillary can determine if my profits were OK???




[edit on 2/6/2007 by semperfortis]



It's obvious that you don't have a business. I do own a business and I have to report my guarterly earnings anyway. What were you saying.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 04:17 PM
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Well I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that I "obviously" have or do not have anything...

But that happens a lot on here..

But to answer your question.. Did you read my entire post?

Of course business' post their earnings..


The post was intended to exemplify the absurd conception that ANY ONE individual has the right to TELL any single corporate entity how much they can or can not make...

It had nothing what so ever to do with reporting schedules and after reading it again, I thought it was pretty clear in intent, form and conclusion..

Semper



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Then the BIG Bad Corporations are living off of the backs of their workers...


Yes they are. Without workers what good would a corporation be? Corps make billions for a minority, while keeping the majority appeased with TV entertainment and football, but struggling to survive.
Do those who reap the profits really work any harder than the guy on the shop floor?


They twisted their arms and MADE those workers go to work for them... AH HA


No they don't have to. All you have to do is set up a system that gives people two choices, become a wage slave for some corporation/business or starve...

Why should a few people own the ALL the means to production. Let the workers own their own factories and then the system will benefit the majority as apposed to the minority.

Edit: Oh yeah forgot, Hillary Socialist?...


[edit on 6/2/2007 by ANOK]



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 04:47 PM
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Capitalism is great. Unfortunatly...TOO MUCH capitalism is horrible.

You claim to hate socialism, but fail to realize that giant corporations are actually mini-socialist countries, w/ out land. They tell you how much you can be paid, they give you (or don't give you) healthcare and benifits. They tell you what you can or cna't wear/do/read/watch while in their jurisdiction.

If you love capitalism so much, why are you for giant corporations shoving their socialism upon Americas masses? Capitalism is fine when you capitalize onyour efforts, not the efforts of others.


df1

posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
If I start a business will I have to check in with you each quarter and tell you the profits I have made so that you and Hillary can determine if my profits were OK???

Your business should be required to pay it's fair share of taxes every week or two. You know the same tax system that you have no problem with the government imposing on working men and women right now.



Then who determines who makes what amount of money???

Government via the federal reserve system already determines the value of money, thus indirectly government already determines who makes what amount of money.



Hitler already did that job.... Him and Stalin...

You left out Mao, Pol Pot and Attila the Hun. It never fails, when your argument can't stand up to scrutiny you resort to demagoguery.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 05:08 PM
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So you are advocating the "Workers Party?"

That has been tried before as well...

It was called the USSR and all of those same workers eventually starved and the system collapsed.

Why is it so easy to blame some inanimate entity such as the BIG BAD Corporation for every ill the world faces?

Probably because it is so difficult to accept that one can be wrong.. SO very wrong in the face of factual proof...

At no time in history has a nation been so populated with so many successful people.. FACT
And before you bleeding hearts start lamenting about the poor downtrodden.. YES they do exist.. THEY ALWAYS HAVE... IN EVERY SYSTEM.......
There just happens to be less here then in Socialist China.. They get far better and faster health care than in the Soviet Union and yes, even in Canada where it can take as much as 4 months to receive an MRI...

There are homeless here.. but FAR LESS than in other countries...

see here

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

You people just can not stand it that this system not only works, but is FAR AND AWAY more successful and powerful than any in history..

What country send MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in aid to more countries than any other?? USA
What country receives the least in aid even during DISASTERS
Again USA

WHY???

Because those BIG BAD Corporations are pouring tax dollars into the coffers...

2003
Corporate income taxes paid to the Federal Government...

177,517,404,000.00

Yep,,, that is 177.5 BILLION....
Still you cry about loop holes...

Do you think that the measly few thousand you pay each years is putting the TRILLIONS into our nation?? COME ON!!!!

Ridiculous to the sublime...

Semper



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 05:19 PM
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It never fails, when your argument can't stand up to scrutiny you resort to demagoguery.


RIDICULOUS

My system is alive and well...

Socialism has FAILED everytime!!!

Do you even know what the word demagoguery means?

"noun
impassioned appeals to the prejudices and emotions of the populace "

It seems you are advocating the supreme populace....

The only problem is every time you have tried your system, it has failed miserably.. and cost lives in doing so..
(except a few communes I know if in WV)

What part of the STRONGEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY is unclear???

It is NOT the corporations problem if you are a failure.. Their success is not reflective on your enterprises, except in the most ethereal sense...

Good information here

I resent your success
Why we hate happy colleagues

Semper



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 05:55 PM
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Semper you are forgetting something that is not only a fact but is consuming our economy while bush is putting a face of "we are doing so gooood"

Our debt is own by foreign countries. . . .


Our unborn children are already slave of the corporate system and they are not even here, but they already have a debt to pay.

I am done with you. . . . and this silly one sided thread.


df1

posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Do you even know what the word demagoguery means?

"noun
impassioned appeals to the prejudices and emotions of the populace "

And you actually think that your invocation of Hitler & Stalin is not demagoguery. You looked it up in the dictionary and you still don't know what the word means.



What part of the STRONGEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY is unclear???

A hooker once explained to a customer that in world where size matters most men claim toothpicks are a foot long. It depends on what metrics are being used and who is doing the measuring. Since you've defined neither your entire claim lacks clarity.



Their success is not reflective on your enterprises, except in the most ethereal sense...

The success of the corporation is based quite tangibly on the enterprise of it's workers, nothing is ethereal about it. It is your logic on this matter that is ethereal.



Good information here

Not that I've seen so far.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:08 PM
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The National Debt....

MAN....

The last cries of a dieing species....

The old card has been played so many times and strangely enough, NEVER come to the ultimate destructive conclusion all of you doomsday placard wearers have been heralding...

Come on.. At least scare us with something new...

As for the rest.. well

Exactly what a good party liner would be expected to espouse.. Comrade

Semper



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:23 PM
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Hilary is not a Socialist..

Infact..... I would honestly say that she is nothing at all..

Tell me where she stands on an issue.. any issue, any stance she has.. and I can find a video of her saying the complete opposite. Shes fake. So fake, its disgusting. She speaks to the crowd in front of her, and that is why she will never be president.



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