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Clear Evidence British Special Forces are Recruiting and Training Terrorists in Iraq

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posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 06:06 AM
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An article in the Sunday Telegraph this weekend pointed towards evidence that an secretive and elite unit of the British army is actively engaged in recruiting and training Iraqi insurgents and terrorists as double agents.

The Telegraph article states:


Who Are The Real Terrorists In Iraq?



Deep inside the heart of the "Green Zone", the heavily fortified administrative compound in Baghdad, lies one of the most carefully guarded secrets of the war in Iraq. It is a cell from a small and anonymous British Army unit that goes by the deliberately meaningless name of the Joint Support Group (JSG), and it has proved to be one of the Coalition's most effective and deadly weapons in the fight against terror.

Its members - servicemen and women of all ranks recruited from all three of the Armed Forces - are trained to turn hardened terrorists into coalition spies using methods developed on the mean streets of Ulster during the Troubles, when the Army managed to infiltrate the IRA at almost every level. Since war broke out in Iraq in 2003, they have been responsible for running dozens of Iraqi double agents.

A look into the history of the secretive JSG or Force Research Unit (FRU), the cover name it operated under in Northern Ireland, reveals the extent to which the British government supports and engages in acts of terrorism in order to further its agenda in occupied territories. Iraq, as it turns out, is unsurprisingly no exception.


Well this is an eye opening article, which I suggest you read whole. So many paralells between Northern Ireland and Iraq, that it is frightening. I mean back in the days MI5 helped IRA to buy weapon parts in USA, then we can only speculate, what is going on in Iraq today. Double agents are very well known assests of MI5, MI6, CIA, NSA, MOSSAD and other agencies, who's goal is to keep Iraq in CHAOS. They do not desire Peace in this region, since the Bablyon rule of "Divide and Conquer" is working very well in the Middle East - and the Strategy of Tention continues in Iraq.

So if we know hot to put 1 and 1 togather, we can clearly see that Britain and the US and possibly Israel are recruiting terrorists in Iraq, via inflitrated double-agents, they are providing them with explosives and advanced detonating technology, and then ofcourse putting the Blame on Iran to further increase the tentions in this region. And let's not forget the past, how FRU, the SAS and Delta Force helped to bring radical Islamic mujahideen fighters and arms into the Balkans in the 90's, and helped to "defend" Kosovo against Serbian Police and Army, to Provoke further conflict between Kosovo and Serbia.

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[edit on 6/2/2007 by Mirthful Me]




posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 06:57 AM
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"Clear Evidence British Special Forces are Recruiting and Training Terrorists in Iraq" shows nothing of the sort, its clear that the terrorists are being turned in order to stop terrorist attacks



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 07:58 AM
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It is not out of the question for the Americans and British to be helping some insurgents in their operations to create a false flag op as use of a pretext against Iran.

Notice the lastest rhetoric against Iran.

It's not out of the question for the Americans, considering the Shia Iraqi government that is friendly to Iraq, has helped insurgents who want to attack the Shia Iraqi government as to create insecurity in the Iraqi government and giving an excuse for an occupation to remain.

Certainly there is evidence the US had handlers who trained death squads in Latin America help train the Iraqi government backed-Shia death squads, death squads who are now in the police and military who like to cleanse areas of Baghdad and elsewhere of Sunnis.

The instability in Iraq this creates could provide a US with a 'divide and rule' governance, but Iraq to the US now is like hot coals underneath their feet.

Not comftable.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 11:50 AM
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The article says that there is evidence that they are training them as double agents. Meaning they are basically moles for the British Forces, getting information. If there are those willing to go undercover for those ops I gotta say, those are some balsy Iraqis.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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I love the way the article titles it "who are the real terrorists?"
Makes me laugh.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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Hah the secret services do this all the time, we all need spies in different countrys,

I do not believe we are creating real terrorist to kill our own soldiers, that does'nt make sense when we can walk into iran for any reason just like Iraq.

Catchy title tough






posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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I don't think that this should really come as a surprise to anyone. The british, and americans, will take people, put them into opposition groups, and even instruct them to turn the group violent if it isn't already. They've done it before, and to suggest that they wouldnt' do it now is absurd.

They're not simply turning insurgents over to their side, they're letting them operate, as insurgents, carrying out attacks, on american and british soldiers and iraqi civilians, so long as they either feed some information back (and whats the point, the information is supposed to be used to stop attacks), or even if only their actions make the insurgents look more 'evil'.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if we found out that they were also giving them bombs and munitions to make IEDs, or rifles to kill crowds of people, etc.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 12:48 PM
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hi all

Actually the title is quite accurate.
In Northern Ireland it was more or less common knowledge that MI5 had colluded with loyalist paramilitaries, such as the UVF.
Although it was always denied by the goverment and mi5, this has recently been confirmed:
Belfast Telegraph
It seems it could go much deeper than this.

During this collusion, UVF members commited murders and other serious crimes while acting as police informers:
news.bbc.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...

Some examples:
Brian Nelson

The main unit responsible are the same ones listed above, the
Force Research Unit

Even members of the IRA was allegedly informers for the police:
Stakeknife
Denis Donaldson

These men listed above (on both sides) were not foot soldiers, they were decision makers.
They were made to kill innocent civilians to suit the needs of the FRU:
Rosemary Nelson
From Stakeknife:


Serious allegations have emerged to the effect that the British government allowed up to forty people to be killed to protect his cover.


So, to suggest that the same techniques (recruiting are in place in Iraq, no matter how much they are denied) are being used by the same unit does not exceed the bounds of reality.

In fact, personally, I wouldn't be surprised.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 03:52 PM
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Firstly, I would like to thank mister psycho matic and mister Nygdan for their input and support in this post.



You have voted psycho matic for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Now lets move on and see the roots of this Cover Operations, designed to divide Iraq and to push it further down the spiral of secretarian violence;


Let's Divide Iraq as We Did in Yugoslavia!

Replace Iraq with three mini-states: "Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shiites in the south." The objective? "To put most of its money and troops where they would do the most good quickly -- with the Kurds and Shiites. The United States could extricate most of its forces from the so-called Sunni Triangle, north and west of Baghdad.... American officials could then wait for the troublesome and domineering Sunnis, without oil or oil revenues, to moderate their ambitions or suffer the consequences." In short, starve the central state around Baghdad because the Sunnis have always spearheaded the resistance to U.S. imperialism.

We denounced this CIA plan, which has been around for some time now, albeit discreetly, in an article that appeared in September 2002. But, to divide Iraq has, in fact, been an old Israeli dream. In 1982, Oded Yinon, an official from the Israeli Foreign Affairs office, wrote: "To dissolve Iraq is even more important for us than dissolving Syria. In the short term, it's Iraqi power that constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. The Iran-Iraq war tore Iraq apart and provoked its downfall. All manner of inter-Arab conflict help us and accelerate our goal of breaking up Iraq into small, diverse pieces."

Clearly we can see blueprints for the plan to divide and rule Iraq, and while many civilians and Coalition troop are dying there as we speak, everything is actually going according to this plan; and the real question is, if there were actually real intentions to Liberate Iraq from the paws of brutal and ruthless (and supported by West) dictator, or was the plan devised just to shift the balance of power to the West - yet nobody even mentioned Peace here, nor Democracy; but just PIECES of Iraq.

Furthermore;


`P2OG' allows Pentagon to fight dirty

It recommends the creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence and cover and deception. For example, the Pentagon and CIA would work together to increase human intelligence (HUMINT) forward/operational presence and to deploy new clandestine technical capabilities.
P2OG would launch secret operations aimed at "stimulating reactions" among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction, meaning it would prod terrorist cells into action, thus exposing them to "quick-response" attacks by US forces.

Now this new tactic of "Fighting Dirty" is designed to expose terrorist cells, in order for US & Coalition forces to attack them. But the question is, how deep do some cells go? As we saw with the UK model of FRU & JSG, the actually terrorists in Iraq - the so-called Al-Qaeda in Iraq - could be entirely operated from the Western intelligence agencies, via double-tripple agents, who inflitrate separate terrorist cells, and order them to strike certain targets in Iraq to further spread Chaos and Disorder in the Country. Now you have to understand that the low level operatives, the foot soldiers, do not know how really sent them to do the "Job" - they just go and do it, not knowing that behind all the strings could be CIA, NSA, MI6, MOSSAD or all togather.

Sounds more and more like the Salvador Option being adopted in Iraq. Does that ring a bell to anyone?


Infowars.com

Denis Kucinich weighed in on the matter, providing further evidence that the Salvador Option was being implemented, he wrote:

."About one year before the Newsweek report on the "Salvador Option," it was reported in the American Prospect magazine on January 1, 2004 that part of $3 billion of the $87 billion Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill to fund operations in Iraq, signed into law on November 6, 2003, was designated for the creation of a paramilitary unit manned by militiamen associated with former Iraqi exile groups. According to the Prospect article, experts predicted that creation of this paramilitary unit would "lead to a wave of extrajudicial killings, not only of armed rebels but of nationalists, other opponents of the U.S. occupation and thousands of civilian Baathists."

Death Squad Democracy?

So why is this DIVIDE AND RULE policy good for the West in Iraq?

Well there are several good points coming out of the massive secretarion violence and civil war ragin in Iraq, so lets examine them;


Civil War in Iraq?

  • Invite Syrian and Iranian participation, hastening the possibility of an American confrontation with those two states, with which tensions are already high.

  • Terminate the dream of Iraq serving as a model for other Middle Eastern countries, thus delaying the push toward elections. This will have the effect of keeping Islamists from being legitimated by the popular vote, as Hamas was just a month ago.

  • Reduce coalition casualties in Iraq. As noted by the Philadelphia Inquirer, "Rather than killing American soldiers, the insurgents and foreign fighters are more focused on creating civil strife that could destabilize Iraq's political process and possibly lead to outright ethnic and religious war."

  • Reduce Western casualties outside Iraq.A professor at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School, Vali Nasr, notes: "Just when it looked as if Muslims across the region were putting aside their differences to unite in protest against the Danish cartoons, the attack showed that Islamic sectarianism remains the greatest challenge to peace." Put differently, when Sunni terrorists target Shiites and vice-versa, non-Muslims are less likely to be hurt.

In short;

A Civil War in Iraq is a complete and utter Humanitaran tragedy, but a complete Strategic Victory for the West, which just further prooves the actual topic of this post, that western intelligence agencies are actually performing acts of terrorism against People of Iraq so that they can create Order out of Chaos, and keep Muslim people divided into little small fragments of sects and religious and cultural differences and while they kill each other, keep western coalition troop from being caught in the crossfire.

Perfect plan.

So I ask you again - who are the REAL Terrorists?

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[edit on 6/2/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 05:07 PM
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Nice try on a negative spin. NOT.

Why didn't you post the positive sides of the articles?




Top secret army cell breaks terrorists

Working alongside the Special Air Service and the American Delta Force as part of the Baghdad-based counter-terrorist unit known as Task Force Black, they have supplied intelligence that has saved hundreds of lives and resulted in some of the most notable successes against the myriad terror groups fighting in Iraq. Only last week, intelligence from the JSG is understood to have led to a series of successful operations against Sunni militia groups in southern Baghdad.

Information obtained by the unit is also understood to have inspired one of the most successful operations carried out by Task Force Black, in November 2005, when SAS snipers shot dead three suicide bombers.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


See there are two sides to every story and you only want to paint an implied bad side which is really stretching it since they do more good then harm.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 07:04 PM
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Excellent post shots. I like watching the agenda become obvious like that.
You did some real good research - thanks much. Now poor ole soljah will have to go cut and paste another article and lean it the way they agenda likes lol.
Really good job lol.
Vance



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by shots
Why didn't you post the positive sides of the articles?

Because he's not required to 'allways look on the bright side of life'?

Because no matter what the pro's are, they're still enabling terrorists to kill civilians? Perhaps even encouraging them to do so whereas previously they wouldn't've?



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 02:13 AM
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Sounds more and more like the Salvador Option being adopted in Iraq. Does that ring a bell to anyone?


Wasn't Negroponti in on that?

I do know that he was 'active' in Iraq quite recently.

Makes one wonder.



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by shots
Why didn't you post the positive sides of the articles?

Well firstly - I like your philosophy; always seek good in bad.

But sadly I have to say to you, that you rol back this topic a little and read once again what JSG units did in Northen Ireland and how their operations were conducted. Yes there are JSG agents within Iraqi insurgency and possibly also within the so-called "Al-Qaeda in Iraq". So how does this actually work? As the article says, since war broke out in Iraq in 2003, they have been responsible for running dozens of Iraqi double agents. So we have probably more dozens of double-agents running around Iraq, pretending to be Al-Qaeda or Iraqi Insurgency. But as we have seen in Northen Ireland, they ofcourse had to kill people in order to protect their "cover". Yes they have provided intelligence that saved hundreds of lives - but the costs were in THOUSANDS of lives. Now ask yourself, who is behind the Shia deaht squads and militias, who do all the kidnappings and beheadings and killings of Sunni's and then ask yourself who is behing the suicide bomb truck, which blows up in the middle of Shia town square....

And you can get a pretty rough idea, how does Iraq look today, from this statement:


"In many respects the war in Iraq has redefined insurgent warfare. Think of the very worst of Northern Ireland combined with the very worst of the Balkans and you are coming close to life on a daily basis in Baghdad. The situation is chaotic and bordering on being hopeless. The Iraqis have absolutely no faith in their army or police force because they are all or nearly all linked to militias.

www.prisonplanet.com...


And I have seen how the very worst of Balkans looks like...

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[edit on 7/2/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Because he's not required to 'allways look on the bright side of life'?


I realize that, however it is also against T/C as a Moderator you should know tthat.


1). Posting: You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.


Orignal Head line read



Top secret army cell breaks terrorists

Deep inside the heart of the "Green Zone", the heavily fortified administrative compound in Baghdad, lies one of the most carefully guarded secrets of the war in Iraq. It is a cell from a small and anonymous British Army unit that goes by the deliberately meaningless name of the Joint Support Group (JSG), and it has proved to be one of the Coalition's most effective and deadly weapons in the fight against terror.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Kindly note it states they are breaking them


Enter Souljah who then takes the headline and turns it 180 degrees to read

"Clear Evidence British Special Forces are Recruiting and Training Terrorists in Iraq"


Which was knowingly posting misleading information by leaving out the fact what they are really doing is converting them to British Agents for positive purposes.

Or have they changed T/C recently?



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 09:35 AM
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The title of this thread is an absolute disgrace.


Souljah, I think you should get a job at the New York TImes, they'd love you.



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 02:57 PM
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Well, just more compelling proof that our secret services are actually behind terrorism...makes sense.

The government has been sponsoring terrorism for God knows how long, why would they stop now?



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 04:06 PM
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I don't see this as good evidence of a pernicious plan to continue the violence in Iraq.

First, why would this be in the Telegraph if the British wanted to keep it quiet? Second, the connections between the FRU and the IRA given in the article are evidence of infiltration and intelligence, not support; the alleged knowledge the authorities had about a bombing in 1998 was based on a tape that to my knowledge hasn't been produced. Third, the investigations into the FRU--the only claims that seem to be frighteningly true because they are based on court testimony--have not amounted at the present time to convictions, and therefore cannot be used as evidence.

If there were a document explicitly stating this was their intention, or testimony from the inside substantiated by credible witnesses, then I would be more apt to listen. But it sounds as though many holes in the facts are being filled with speculation. Another reasonable person could spin it in the positive direction.

Further, in order to believe that we are training terrorists, we would need to believe that the British and US leadership don't care about their people. Are we so cynical that we think that?



posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 05:10 PM
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Togetic


First, why would this be in the Telegraph if the British wanted to keep it quiet?

Officially, I don't know.
My best guess would be that in order for Sinn Fein (the IRA political wing) and republicans in general to accept the role of police in Northern Ireland (which has been a sticking point for years, and has just been accepted by Sinn Fein as an official body) certain conditions would have to be met - one of which would be to expose 'officially' the collusion. A safe way to do this would be a offical enquiry (there are 2 in fact - the one listed in the telegraph and also the Stevens Inquiry

I'm guessing your not from Ireland, so I'll try to summarise the situation:
In certain parts of Northern Ireland, there are areas which are loyalist, and areas which are republican. By and large, the RUC (now PSNI) did not patrol the republican areas, due to the amount of violence directed at them (not without due reason - such as collusion), and also the fact that the republicans didn't recognise the RUC (only as a tool of the British administration)


Second, the connections between the FRU and the IRA given in the article are evidence of infiltration and intelligence, not support;

Please see my quote whereby (wrt Stakeknife)

Serious allegations have emerged to the effect that the British government allowed up to forty people to be killed to protect his cover.

Murder? Forty people?
If you don't call that support, what do you call it?


Third, the investigations into the FRU--the only claims that seem to be frighteningly true because they are based on court testimony--have not amounted at the present time to convictions, and therefore cannot be used as evidence.

And the majority never will. Why not? Because they were paid to kill on behalf on the british government, and (I'm guessing here) they have a bit of info that could get messy.
They are still being protected by the british government.
Also, wrt to Brian Nelson, and the FRU:

Brian Nelson was found guilty on 11 counts of possession of documents, three of collecting information, one of possession of firearms with intent and five counts of conspiracy to murder. Sentenced to ten years imprisonment, he was permitted to serve the bulk of his sentence in England. He was released in August 1996 after serving under four years in prison


4 years for 5 counts of conspriracy to murder (bearing in mind this guy ran a UDA death squad). What about the crimes he has not been charged with, or got dropped.
As far as I am aware, he has a secret identity now, as he is a targetted man - ceasefire or not.


Further, in order to believe that we are training terrorists, we would need to believe that the British and US leadership don't care about their people. Are we so cynical that we think that?

For this, I am just going to point to one thing:
The marches against the war in Iraq in 2003. They didn't care about their people and their opinions then, why would they now?

Slightly off topic, but just a wee acceptance & appreciation speech:
Souljah & Nygadan
Cheers for the awards (WATS from Souljah, Applause from Nygadan) - they are my first of each. And to get them from two heavy hitters like you guys - wow. Thanks.



posted on Feb, 8 2007 @ 05:10 AM
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I do think its kinda hiliarious that Alex Jones is talking about MI5 links to the IRA and he will not address the amount of Americans who funded the IRA.

Lets not forget the countless Irish American politicans who supported the IRA and the republican movement in Northern Ireland. Lets not forget the fact President Clinton invited Gerry Adams (President of Sinn Fein and the head of the IRA) over for dinner on St.Patricks day when the IRA were blowing up half of London.

We have peace in Northern Ireland now, its amazing what happens when Americans don't stick their nose into matters that do not involve them.

The Government NEVER gave the nood over collusion and it was only a small minority in the Army and RUC who did leak information to the Loyalist Paramilitaries. My Father served in Northern Ireland for the Army and risked his life protecting citizens from IRA tyranny and I had a family member in the RUC too. He never leaked information too, but he was shot and killed in the line of duty by an IRA gunmen.

So, lets not focus on IRA sympathy please

I love this bit of the article...



British government supports and engages in acts of terrorism in order to further its agenda in occupied territories


Who wrote the article? Gerry Adams?

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