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Republicans Successfully Block Senate Debate on Iraq

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posted on Feb, 5 2007 @ 08:17 PM
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At a time when agendas are being pushed, and the lines between left and right are made more clear in regard to the Iraq war and the troop increase of some 21,500. The Republicans claim they voted against a measure which would have facilitated debate "in protest because they could not get amendments considered on their terms". Which effectively at least temporarily shut down debate in the Senate on Iraq.
 




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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans blocked a debate on the Iraq war in the U.S. Senate on Monday, dealing a setback to critics of President George W. Bush's plan to send in thousands more troops, but Democrats warned they would not give up trying to force Bush to change course.

Republicans largely united to employ Senate rules against the newly elected Democratic majority to derail the debate on a resolution expressing disagreement with Bush's plan to deploy an additional 21,500 troops in Iraq.

Democrats vowed to return to the subject when it considers billions more in funding for the Iraq war requested by Bush on Monday.


Nothing like playing politics with war, Unless of course you are in the military, or somehow related to or a friend of someone in that military.

Meanwhile in Iraq....

[edit on 5-2-2007 by UM_Gazz] extra DIV




posted on Feb, 5 2007 @ 08:23 PM
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The Democrats loved the filibuster when they were in the minority, now the shoe's on the other foot.

I guess this is just how the Senate works...



posted on Feb, 5 2007 @ 08:28 PM
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Fantastic. Politics as usual for both sides while the average Joe on the line has his rear hanging out.

Total political move for the GOP as they set sights on 2008 IMHO. It forces the Dems to go after war funding in the next request which gives the spin doctors an issue to muddle the elections with.



posted on Feb, 5 2007 @ 09:18 PM
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Well with the outrageous budget to become the next course in the War on Terrrrorrrr this show most keep going.


All that money, all the politics and many American people living from pay check to pay check . . .

Let bush have his troops let bush have his budget . . . American people just have to sacrifice a littler bit more and support the corruption in Washington.



posted on Feb, 5 2007 @ 11:02 PM
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Oh, the feigned outrage by the Democrats!

What really happened was that the Democrats turned down a request by the Republicans to attach an amendment to have a similar debate on support for the war.


ape

posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 12:02 AM
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hmm good for the republicans, the democrats wanted a 1 sided debate anyways it was unfair to begin with. it was the dem way or the highway which is the usual case with socialist, always so imposing with big gov. the republicans did whats best for the surging troops. the dems just want distractions from the potential progress with this surge.



fredT
Total political move for the GOP as they set sights on 2008 IMHO. It forces the Dems to go after war funding in the next request which gives the spin doctors an issue to muddle the elections with.


hardly, the GOP has integrity in this case. why are you so quick to forget those moronic democrat senators just confirmed a general who made his case to surge troops and supports the presidents plan? and they want to make dirty moves like this? they are hurting our country guy I cannot understand why you're not seeing this.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 02:12 AM
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it was the dem way or the highway which is the usual case with socialist


Correct me if I'm wrong but... naaaaaaaaaah... way too easy...



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 04:03 AM
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Wow, heated debate over if they should have a meaningless debate.
Way to use that mandate you spineless sellout democrats.

The entire country is behind you to do something and your show your true colors.

Flip a coin and vote, doesn't #ing matter.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Awake and All Seeing
Wow, heated debate over if they should have a meaningless debate.
Way to use that mandate you spineless sellout democrats.


Its lovely when people find out finally for who our government works.



The entire country is behind you to do something and your show your true colors.


Like I said before the congress elections on another thread . . . People have hope and in their hope they truly believe that they can make a difference in this so call . .. our nation for the people and by the people but . . . is nothing but hope and dreams, our government is nothing but sold out.



Flip a coin and vote, doesn't #ing matter.


Exactly, but the hope will go on until elections even if people knows by now that in politics every man and women are on their own devices and agendas.


Can now people see the corruption in politics and in our government?

Nah, many are still wishing for a dream full of hope.


At the end Bush will get what he wants and our nation will get screw one more time. . .

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[edit on 6-2-2007 by marg6043]



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Well with the outrageous budget to become the next course in the War on Terrrrorrrr this show most keep going.


All that money, all the politics and many American people living from pay check to pay check . . .

Let bush have his troops let bush have his budget . . . American people just have to sacrifice a littler bit more and support the corruption in Washington.


don't know what americans are moaning for they voted him in.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
don't know what americans are moaning for they voted him in.


You are right but and now we know what government our present government with a Republican president of two terms and a war mess and a congress that was elected by people looking for solutions and a fresh out look is all about . . .

I can Finlay said I am right so far on my assumptions of how our political system stand as today, no a pretty picture when We the people's voices doesn't matter anymore. . . . what a wake up call.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:36 AM
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In case you didn't notice this non binding resolution is written by John Warner, a major Republican, and a Republican that has integrity... I even vote for him.

In case you didn't notice this war has become about as popular as a bad case of gas.

The Republicans, in trying to avoid going on record on this are simply shooting themselves in the foot. In case you don't understand why re-read the second sentence.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by andy1033
don't know what americans are moaning for they voted him in.


You are right but and now we know what government our present government with a Republican president of two terms and a war mess and a congress that was elected by people looking for solutions and a fresh out look is all about . . .

I can Finlay said I am right so far on my assumptions of how our political system stand as today, no a pretty picture when We the people's voices doesn't matter anymore. . . . what a wake up call.


So, when they were the minority they had no say, now as the majority they have no say. Does this mean that the GOP is in control? No, because if they were they would have fixed the elections. I mean, if they fixed a presidential election, why not the Senate? This is where conspiracy unravels.


A debate about a debate is the best descritption of a government i have heard in a long time. We need to prepare ourselves for what our government is missing here at home while again arguing about what is going on overseas.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 10:53 AM
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The US presidential system should be crushed. No presidential veto. That blocks everything. Take advice when you do a revolution.

And the majority of congress and senate should be able to pass things without the approval of the minority, hell, they have a majority. If you don't want any majority for one party, elect more parties like in Israël, so they are forced to create alliances.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
The US presidential system should be crushed. No presidential veto. That blocks everything. Take advice when you do a revolution.

The veto is an important tool in the balance of power. To scrap it wholesale would take an important check from the congress. Furthermore, in the last six years, there has been one veto. The argument that it is ruining the legislative power of the government is not supported by the evidence.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by grover
In case you didn't notice this non binding resolution is written by John Warner, a major Republican, and a Republican that has integrity...

I heard on the radio that even the author voted against his own resolution? Don't know if it's true and I think it was for the resolution to support the surge, but that shows the tricks that are being played here.


Originally posted by esdad71
A debate about a debate is the best descritption of a government i have heard in a long time.

I agree, any debate is better than what has been going on the last six years. Just think what would be happening without a democratic majority. More of the same.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 11:36 AM
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I don't know about that, I haven't heard or read it... my respect for John Warner (even though I do not agree with his policies) stems from the fact that the man has the cojone to stand up to his party, as when he stated baldly that Oliver North was not qualified to be in the Senate and he refused to back him....he drew a lot of flak from the other republicans for that...and, when recently he stood up to bush minor on this so called surge.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 11:45 AM
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Yep, accourding to the article only two republicans voted for the resolution.


Two Republicans refused to follow their party leadership and voted with Democrats to move to debate. They were Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record) of Maine and Sen. Norm Coleman (news, bio, voting record) of Minnesota, both of whom face re-election in 2008.


So Warner voted against his own resolution.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 12:32 PM
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I would like to point out that the thread header,AP and Senator Reid have spun this exactly backwards.

A vote for cloture is to CUT OFF debate and force a vote.

The story shoud read;

DEMOCRATS LOSE BID TO STOP DEBATE ON IRAQ RESOLUTION

Saying that Republicans wanted to stop debate is spin for the masses who know no better.



posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033

Originally posted by marg6043
Well with the outrageous budget to become the next course in the War on Terrrrorrrr this show most keep going.


All that money, all the politics and many American people living from pay check to pay check . . .

Let bush have his troops let bush have his budget . . . American people just have to sacrifice a littler bit more and support the corruption in Washington.


don't know what americans are moaning for they voted him in.


No, they didn't. The Supreme Court appointed him the first time, a move that was blatantly unConstituional, that's not how the process should have worked. There also was alot of fixed voting, at least in Florida. The second election, there was massive vote fixing. Check out the black box voting site and the Detroit Free Press with Bob Fitzrakis.



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