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reply posted on 5-2-2007 @ 04:21 PM by elysiumfire
Hi There,

How does one respond to the enlightenment one receives from this video? Here in the UK we tend to gain a perspective of both sides of the conflict, due to our media unafraid to tell it as it is. For me, the first shock was coming into a cognition of just how great the cowardice of American media journalists really is, at how they have abrogated their moral duty to let the truth be known to the US public; but not only this, they actually participate in the 'game of lies' put to the American people.

They sit and drink at the same tables where journalists around the world gather, they know each other, and yet adopt the disguise of the ruse in front of the camera or word processor, to contemptuously obsfucate the truth to their viewers and readers in America, and deny them any understandable perspective of a conflict that swallows up large portions of their tax dollars. Meanwhile, their counterparts, sat opposite the same table, deliver to their own viewers and readers reports that deny the obsfucation and sanitized versions of what is really taking place. It is undeniable that this moral vacuum in the hearts of the American journalists is actually helping the obscenities happening in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to take place.

The video is heartbreaking, but at the same time, it instills a moral rage and fury because of the deception. To be a witness to the sufferings of both the Palestinian and the Israeli which stems from the wedge forcibly driven between the two peoples by forces of corporate hegemony, is to be a witness struck dumb by the senselessness of it all.

America is often called 'the sleeping giant'; it is a moniker that is more than apt, because that is America's flaw...it really is asleep, lulled into false dreams of safety and security by deliberate deception on the part of its media. All I can suggest as a 'wake up' call is simply not to buy the media's products...it serves no 'real' purpose in doing so; get your truth elsewhere.

Kudos to alienpyro1 for providing the link, I hope many Americans watch the video through a balanced conscience.

Best wishes


reply posted on 5-2-2007 @ 09:42 PM by ThePieMaN
Originally posted by SevenThunders
What a bunch of moronic propaganda. Why should Israel give any of the territory they conquered back? They were attacked without provocation remember? I love the way the world just insanely hates Israel and will blame them for anything, that is until the rise of George Bush. Perhaps only this one man gets more blame than the Jews.

At any rate I hope Israel greatly expands their settlements on the West bank and deports the palestinian immigrants. Many of them came after Israel created an economic miracle in the once desolate desert. Israels reward for providing jobs or for giving up land to the pal.s was to receive a missile barrage or suicide bombing of their children. I think deportation of the pal.s is the humane way to end the conflict.

Other than that I have no opinion.


You say that video is propaganda, well all this junk you are saying is also a buttload of propaganda. Take for instance your "attacked Israel" spiel...if it was a pre-emptive attack then how can you say THEY attacked Israel? Pre-emptive means they attacked thinking they were going to be attacked. I guess it was just coincidental that areas were taken that supplied much needed water supplies too? Pffft.

As far as your imagination that Palestinian people immigrated to Palestine well that too is a bunch of bunk as well, and the Desert is STILL A DESERT and it will not change much. If you are attempting to use Mark Twains quote for Palestines desolation you should read his entire quote and see that he said the same things about Greece, Syria and Lebanon as well, and he was comparing them all to American farmlands which is pretty much not a very good comparison. Aside from the fact that Mr. Twain was an author not a specialist on farmland.


Ahad Ha'Am a jewish essayist in 1891
"We abroad are used to believe the Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed ..... But in truth that is not the case. Throughout the country it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunes and stony mountains .... are not cultivated."

Mark Twain also made the following quotes in regards to Syria and Greece

"From Athens all through the islands of the Grecian Archipelago, we saw little but forbidden sea-walls and barren hills, sometimes surmounted by three or four graceful columns of some ancient temples, lonely and deserted---a fitting symbol of desolation that has come upon all Greece in these latter ages. We saw no plowed fields, very few villages, no trees or grass or vegetation of any kind, scarcely, and hardly ever an isolated house. Greece is a bleak, unsmiling desert, without agriculture, manufactures, or commerce, apparently." (The Innocents Abroad, p. 203)

"Damascus is beautiful from the mountain. It is beautiful even to foreigners accustomed to luxuriant vegetation, and I can easily understand how unspeakably beautiful it must be to eyes that are only used to the God-forsaken barrenness and desolation of Syria. I should think a Syrian would go wild with ecstasy when such a picture bursts upon him for the first time."


You suggesting the deportation of the Palestinian people is known as ethnic cleansing. I hope for as long as there are people like you around that the Palestinians continue their fight for independence.
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